Doesn't feel any better this morning. Two consecutive league games in which we have put in some of the worst performances I can remember.
For me the blame lies squarely with NJ, he has been backed to assemble his squad yet has catastrophically under delivered. If this was in any other job he would be getting 'managed out the business' about now.
What is his style of football? Not only can I not see it, I don't believe the players understand it either. We have some reasonable technicians in midfield (for this league) yet continue to bypass them presumably in the hope that a second ball breaks our way. There are no patterns of play, no attempts to play through the lines, and of course a complete lack of pace, ingenuity and width to open teams up.
Sadly, I think time has run out for NJ and back to the drawing board we go. Hopefully to find a manager/head coach that can impose their style on the team.
Seem to recall Millwall fans saying that his brand of Football wasnt much better
Gary was liked but they chose Nathan Jones Both insisted they wanted full control Gary would get us out of this division. Efficient football. I doubt it would be sparkling but then again Derby only played efficient football.
Efficient is a mile away from the shite we serve up.
The event for Kevin Nolan was a disgrace. Those who run the club, fuck off.
What was the event Seth?
Oh man it saddens me in the extreme to mention it. There was an (understandably) half hearted appeal from Brian Cole, just before the crossbar challenge for some applause for Kevin Nolan whilst his picture was put up on the screen. I would bet my life somebody somewhere decided that is what we should do, and told poor old Brian Cole to do it. I could tell BC hated it as much as the rest of us, well those of us not half timing for a piss or a pie, and I would also bet that whoever made the decision wasn't even out of the boardroom to see it anyway. I am sorry Kevin. As a long time fan I dearly wanted the chance to pay a decent tribute to you at the Valley, if not today then soon. I even expected black armbands on the players today. I don't suppose a long time fan of Oxford United gives much of a damn about our club.
It was shocking. The directors box was completely empty when it happened.
Just compare the difference to the last league home game when we had a minutes applause for Herman Ouseley. Someone with no direct link to the club, and who had passed away at the start of October and we had had 2 home games since his passing.
I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief.
How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides.
I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money travelling somewhere up north on a team who don't give a shit. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.
I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around.
The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club.
Everything about the lead up to the game gave me the feeling of Garner’s last hurrah vs Cheltenham. Crawley have an awful set of footballers apart from Kelly their CM (19) and Darcy (10) yet…
I don’t even want to go through it. Disappointed we’re here again. Genuinely believed NJ was a good appointment and wanted it before he was appointed, so I’m not going to point fingers at the board for getting it wrong.
I've seen us lose to lower opposition many times - it's been a Charlton habit for years - but have I ever seen us outbattled, out-thought and outplayed in such a way? I'm not so sure; and most of it is down to the style of play.
Jones changed the system three or four times during the game but it had no effect whatsoever as the hoofball style continued. On the occasions we did put in a cross we looked dangerous but with that team and that style those occasions were rare indeed.
What do they do on the training ground? Hoof the ball from one end of the pitch to another where the so-called strikers attempt to head it or run on to it? That's what it looks like. Passing? That part of the game appears to have been forgotten about, unless it's backwards!
We were fortunate against Burton and could quite easily have lost that one. I don't know where we go from here. It's not good.
I’m sure someone posted on here last season that they don’t practice anything on the training ground - corners, free kicks, throw ins, penalties etc. I suspect it’s all running around and “well done” if you’ve shown “effort”, loads of analysis of data, and drooling over goals xG.
These footballers are paid £1000s per week and can’t even do the basics - trap and kick the ball properly, pass to a team mate, run with the ball, take a decent freekick or corner and hit the target when shooting. This is all basic stuff. There are no signs whatsoever that any of them are “training” in relation to any of these.
And what’s with the lack of stamina? Aren’t these supposed to be elite athletes? I thought Jones was going to get everyone fit.
We’ve seen it a number of times now but what seems to happen with all our managers in the end is that the players decide they’ve had enough of them, effectively go on strike, play like shit, and the manager gets the sack.
Made a Crawley side look like a Top 6 side last night and no offence to them but they will have a job to stay up this season
Jones has no clue what he is doing. Changed the formation start of the second half and within 15 minutes plays Godden in the same position in the first half where he was non existent
The last 2 league performances have been the worst I have seen in a long while and we are not going upwards under this Welshman as it currently stands
If he’s still here in January and then moans he’s not been given enough funds, then he’s only got himself to blame for bringing in a load of nonsense back in the summer. Why give him more to waste
Awful and the worse thing is I am not one bit surprised at how
poor we played.
Every ball is a long ball and no decent crosses, the
midfield is non existent and got over run. I do not even know what system we
ended up playing and not sure Jones did either.
I am not one to sack a manager and I am not there yet but
for the first time I am starting to doubt if Jones has it in him to change the system
of play, I think he may be too stubborn. Now it’s a results business but what
we are serving up is boring and it’s a struggle to want to go at the moment.
I do still believe Jones has improved a few things and if he
can just find it in him to play and bring in some more flair/attacking players
and not just hoof it up we may not be to far away.
The morning after the night before....and it feels even worse! On reflection, in my opinion, the entire club is on 'life support'! The 'owners' are supposedly mega rich billionaires, the SMT are their ears and eyes on the ground, and, whilst I supported wholeheartedly the appointment of NJ, he was to be THE man! Well, as Catherine Tates granny would say "what a fucking pile of shit!" The club seems bereft of any ideas other than silly 50/50 scarf gimmicks, and SM stars (who I've never heard of!) We're on a downward 'rinse and repeat' spiral. It is now up to the OWNERS to sort this mess out. Firstly Methven, Scott and Rodwell need to go...today! Secondly, get a proper DoF in (eg Curbs) to look at the FOOTBALLING ethos. If they want to keep NJ they need to explain in no uncertain terms that this season isn't about poxy cup runs, but promotion! If they want to move NJ on, then get the DoF to find a suitable replacement, (not a hasbeen, but someone with experience and a football brain) Mind you, I'm not sure who there is out there who would even entertain us? Drop all the stupid 'gimmicks', invest PROPERLY in the squad in January, we can all see what's needed, it doesn't take Einstein to work it out! The owners to come out with a statement of intent on what they want from owning our great club. Finally, send back the Luton rejects, get youngsters out on loan, defo buy a decent keeper immediately the window opens, tie up our few better players on new contracts, give Lloyd Jones the Captaincy, get Dixon at least in the matchday squad, and change how we play!! This club is slowly dying, with NO ONE, prepared currently, to stand up and fight for it's survival that's within the club. Take some or all of the above actions and we may turn it around, if they sit on their hands and do fuck all, then we'll have a stadium 2/3rds empty, no atmosphere and no fucking hope!! 65 yrs of following this club through thick and thin, good health and bad, and this is the worst it's been! Some people don't want CP back and I understand that, but for now I'd snap his hand off. Up until last night I was a NJ supporter, giving him the benefit of the doubt due to injuries etc. This morning I've switched camps, how sad is that?
Utterly dire. A year ago I'd have watched the post match with Curbs and Minto, but even that is gone. The team Jones has assembled look like some sort of bargain bucket where you get 10 anonymous footballers for the price of 1, but when you open the package, you find you've got 9 identical league 2 journeymen, plus Aneke. I won't be renewing the club stream package next year. If the club don't care, I won't watch. And what the fuck;happened to Leaburn? Anyone else turn in that performance and we'd be demanding he get moved on. All in all, rotten night and my celebration whiskey when Kanu scored (great goal) turned into a hangover today. Fuck off Jones.
I'm hesitant to go too hard on him in case he's carrying an injury, but if not then Leaburn's effort levels last night were an utter disgrace.
I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief.
How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides.
I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.
I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around.
The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club.
30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats
Those saying what will that achieve I ask one question.
What is Nathan Jones giving us that any manager in this league wouldn't? What sets him apart? Why settle for second best?
He sold our one and only goal threat from last season and seemingly bragged about it after beating a team a division below in the cup
He committed to a formation in the summer which he now doesn't play and only left us with one first team winger
The only game where I've thought yeah he got that spot on was the Birmingham game. Then he proceeded to use that formation come what may even when it wasn't working
17 league games in and I don't believe he knows his best midfield or even his best team
He must know that if he mucks this up he'll be on the managerial scrap heap for a while as that's two jobs in a row he's messed up.
We need to find someone that wants to play football. NJ is basing our whole game plan on percentages. Hit it long get a flick on and 1 out of 5 will land to a forward to score. That is ancient football. We instantly look better with people out wide but he never starts them. Clueless or stubborn? Either way I've had enough. I wouldn't mind loosing if we played well I think the majority of us are the same
This sums it up very well. However, I’m reluctant for us to shift yet another manager and am hoping that last night inspires Jones to include some pace, width and creativity in the team and the names Small and T Campbell are in the starting line up on Saturday and thereafter. If he doesn’t change his ways after that tripe, chances are he never will and he may as well jog on.
One point to add to the post above is that, after Jones bragging about how great Godden has done (which I don’t disagree with), he promptly played him in midfield in a role that looked completely foreign to him. It also contributed to them scoring the second goal…..
I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief.
How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides.
I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money on a team who don't give a shit travelling somewhere up north. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.
I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around.
The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club.
30-40%, looked more like 25% to me, ignore what the bullshitters in the club tell you, that looked like 6-7k bums on seats
Took this from my seat in West Upper. Be surprised if there was 7,000 in the ground. Crawley brought what, 600? Depressing night all round.
Those saying what will that achieve I ask one question.
What is Nathan Jones giving us that any manager in this league wouldn't? What sets him apart? Why settle for second best?
He sold our one and only goal threat from last season and seemingly bragged about it after beating a team a division below in the cup
He committed to a formation in the summer which he now doesn't play and only left us with one first team winger
The only game where I've thought yeah he got that spot on was the Birmingham game. Then he proceeded to use that formation come what may even when it wasn't working
17 league games in and I don't believe he knows his best midfield or even his best team
He must know that if he mucks this up he'll be on the managerial scrap heap for a while as that's two jobs in a row he's messed up.
We need to find someone that wants to play football. NJ is basing our whole game plan on percentages. Hit it long get a flick on and 1 out of 5 will land to a forward to score. That is ancient football. We instantly look better with people out wide but he never starts them. Clueless or stubborn? Either way I've had enough. I wouldn't mind loosing if we played well I think the majority of us are the same
This sums it up very well. However, I’m reluctant for us to shift yet another manager and am hoping that last night inspires Jones to include some pace, width and creativity in the team and the names Small and T Campbell are in the starting line up on Saturday and thereafter. If he doesn’t change his ways after that tripe, chances are he never will and he may as well jog on.
One point to add to the post above is that, after Jones bragging about how great Godden has done (which I don’t disagree with), he promptly played him in midfield in a role that looked completely foreign to him. It also contributed to them scoring the second goal…..
Think we could start Small as a Left Winger with Campbell on the right. 2 CMs and 2 Strikers and a flat back 4. Solid and looking dangerous going forward with pace.
The squad for me is decent but I just feel they arent being used to the best of there abilities.
Well, that was truly shocking. Having waited over a month since the last home league game I was eagerly looking forward to this. That performance has got to be one of the worst home performances for a very long time and that is down to one man: Please step forward Nathan Jones! The tactics were clear from the start - hoof it up to Leaburn and Ahadme and hope for something to happen. I see better football played in the local park. I know we don't have the greatest squad, but the players we have are better than having to resort to hoofball. I think Jones is taking the p***!
Sorry that was a poor performance, and after the first 15 minutes we lost control the game in my opinion. What I saw on TV was a resort to lunching the ball, and often giving it away. Crawley scored a decent goal, because we simply do not close them down, and has been a feature for most of this season. I have no idea what has happened to Miles, he seemed to have lost both his pace and touch, so the question I asked at the Trust AGM, was blanked by Abbott, under player confidentiality, Personally I think Miles is our best prospect of being the forward that will assist and get goals in the present team, but his 'match fitness ' seems to be some time off to a me as a fan.? The lad looks in great shape, but launching balls to him, and expecting him to be our main attacking threat, did not work last night. Back to the drawing board manager?
I've genuinely just seen someone on twitter saying it may take a relegation to league2 to rebuild. I'm in fucking disbelief.
How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides.
I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money travelling somewhere up north on a team who don't give a shit. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.
I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around.
The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club.
Beige minge of a club, I believe was the (very apt) phrase.
Absolutely abysmal performance with an abysmal manager in charge. There is no pattern to anything we do it’s kick and hope. The people in charge must be alarmed at what there seeing and the dwindling attendances. You can pick any row to sit in now not any seat. We were promised at the start of the season how everything will change and to get behind the new revolution. What a load of crap and Charlton fans have been hoodwinked again. if anybody thinks there will be money spent in January dream on. This team and manager are going nowhere it will stagnate and get more volatile as the season goes on.
We have some difficult games coming up and by the next home game with Mansfield we could be in the bottom four. So depressing I try to keep the faith but I don’t think I’ll be getting my Xmas present which is a decent side. Bad choices have been made but where Charlton go from here I’m not sure but things need to change quickly as attendances will fall away and the atmosphere will become more volatile. But the board are at fault it’s there mess to sort out. It just isn’t working under Jones you can see it a mile off. The new year will see a change one way or the other. But it’s no fun being a Charlton fan.
I actually think Jones makes Adahme look a worse player than he actually is. That’s how bad NJ is.
Baffling to sign a target man and not put crosses into the box.
More so signing a target man & then not signing wingers who can cross.
I've read Jones's comments & they don't address the real issue. We just dont play with players who can create anything. Be that wingers or creative midfielders. It doesn't matter if the opposition score from 18 yards (not 20 or 25 as Jones mentions- the player was on the edge on the EIGHTEEN YARD LINE) if all we are going to do to try to score is pump aimless diagonal balls to a forward playing out wide.
I say it time & time again......coaching badges are worth shite.
Yet he could have started with TC on one wing and Small on the other and just had 2 up front one of Leaburn or Ahadme (not both) alongside Godden and gone for it we're at home against one of the bottom places teams FFS but Jones decides to play with no width whatsoever and just lob hopeful balls forward and play Godden in a withdrawn midfield role where we don't play to his strengths. Jones chooses the team and the "tactics" and he has proved himself over and over again that he is fucking useless and I doubt the players are going to take too kindly to his childish moody outbursts and blaming the players when we lose.
Can't comprehend how a team that looked so good on Saturday turns into a bunch of useless, quivering wrecks 3 days later .. played off the park, outwitted and outfought by Crawley .. anyway, well done Rob Elliot who must be shaking his head in disbelief at what is the dishevelled state of his first club as a professional .. too early to say Eliot for manager ?
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For me the blame lies squarely with NJ, he has been backed to assemble his squad yet has catastrophically under delivered. If this was in any other job he would be getting 'managed out the business' about now.
What is his style of football? Not only can I not see it, I don't believe the players understand it either. We have some reasonable technicians in midfield (for this league) yet continue to bypass them presumably in the hope that a second ball breaks our way. There are no patterns of play, no attempts to play through the lines, and of course a complete lack of pace, ingenuity and width to open teams up.
Sadly, I think time has run out for NJ and back to the drawing board we go. Hopefully to find a manager/head coach that can impose their style on the team.
They strolled out late for kick-off as per, and that's when the tribute should have been. A round of applause 5 minutes before schedule kick-off.
Culture around the club stinks.
Gary was liked but they chose Nathan Jones
Both insisted they wanted full control
Gary would get us out of this division. Efficient football. I doubt it would be sparkling but then again Derby only played efficient football.
Efficient is a mile away from the shite we serve up.
Just compare the difference to the last league home game when we had a minutes applause for Herman Ouseley. Someone with no direct link to the club, and who had passed away at the start of October and we had had 2 home games since his passing.
Last night was disgraceful yet again. I’m down in London this weekend, thank god we are not at home.
How on earth are there still people who find this acceptable, it's beyond my understanding. We have faced 3 of the 4 newly promoted sides at home and achieved 2 points out of a possible 9! We play the 4th of the lot next weekend, even if we manage to win that, it would be 5 of a possible 12. Incredibly shit return against newly promoted sides.
I'm done. I'm not going Lincoln, I had cancelled Christmas plans to go Northampton, I'll now be getting refunds for those tickets to attend my Christmas plans, and like fuck am I wasting my time and money travelling somewhere up north on a team who don't give a shit. Embarrassing that some of these are professionals. I've completely lost my passion for football less than 20 games in again.
I want to hear from these owners as soon as possible really, because they need to explain the lack of progress this season, and address how they intend to turn it around.
The Valley was at best around 30-40% full tonight? In the words of the great @oohaahmortimer we really are an absolute minge of a club.
Crawley have an awful set of footballers apart from Kelly their CM (19) and Darcy (10) yet…
I don’t even want to go through it. Disappointed we’re here again. Genuinely believed NJ was a good appointment and wanted it before he was appointed, so I’m not going to point fingers at the board for getting it wrong.
Disorganised mess with no belief in the manager
the ball properly, pass to a team mate, run with the ball, take a decent freekick or corner and hit the target when shooting. This is all basic stuff. There are no signs whatsoever that any of them are “training” in relation to any of these.
And what’s with the lack of stamina? Aren’t these supposed to be elite athletes? I
thought Jones was going to get everyone fit.
We’ve seen it a number of times now but what seems to happen with all our managers in the end is that the players decide they’ve had enough of them, effectively go on strike, play like shit, and the manager gets the sack.
Jones has no clue what he is doing. Changed the formation start of the second half and within 15 minutes plays Godden in the same position in the first half where he was non existent
The last 2 league performances have been the worst I have seen in a long while and we are not going upwards under this Welshman as it currently stands
If he’s still here in January and then moans he’s not been given enough funds, then he’s only got himself to blame for bringing in a load of nonsense back in the summer. Why give him more to waste
Awful and the worse thing is I am not one bit surprised at how poor we played.
Every ball is a long ball and no decent crosses, the midfield is non existent and got over run. I do not even know what system we ended up playing and not sure Jones did either.
I am not one to sack a manager and I am not there yet but for the first time I am starting to doubt if Jones has it in him to change the system of play, I think he may be too stubborn. Now it’s a results business but what we are serving up is boring and it’s a struggle to want to go at the moment.
I do still believe Jones has improved a few things and if he can just find it in him to play and bring in some more flair/attacking players and not just hoof it up we may not be to far away.
The 'owners' are supposedly mega rich billionaires, the SMT are their ears and eyes on the ground, and, whilst I supported wholeheartedly the appointment of NJ, he was to be THE man!
Well, as Catherine Tates granny would say "what a fucking pile of shit!"
The club seems bereft of any ideas other than silly 50/50 scarf gimmicks, and SM stars (who I've never heard of!)
We're on a downward 'rinse and repeat' spiral.
It is now up to the OWNERS to sort this mess out.
Firstly Methven, Scott and Rodwell need to go...today!
Secondly, get a proper DoF in (eg Curbs) to look at the FOOTBALLING ethos.
If they want to keep NJ they need to explain in no uncertain terms that this season isn't about poxy cup runs, but promotion!
If they want to move NJ on, then get the DoF to find a suitable replacement, (not a hasbeen, but someone with experience and a football brain)
Mind you, I'm not sure who there is out there who would even entertain us?
Drop all the stupid 'gimmicks', invest PROPERLY in the squad in January, we can all see what's needed, it doesn't take Einstein to work it out!
The owners to come out with a statement of intent on what they want from owning our great club.
Finally, send back the Luton rejects, get youngsters out on loan, defo buy a decent keeper immediately the window opens, tie up our few better players on new contracts, give Lloyd Jones the Captaincy, get Dixon at least in the matchday squad, and change how we play!!
This club is slowly dying, with NO ONE, prepared currently, to stand up and fight for it's survival that's within the club.
Take some or all of the above actions and we may turn it around, if they sit on their hands and do fuck all, then we'll have a stadium 2/3rds empty, no atmosphere and no fucking hope!!
65 yrs of following this club through thick and thin, good health and bad, and this is the worst it's been!
Some people don't want CP back and I understand that, but for now I'd snap his hand off.
Up until last night I was a NJ supporter, giving him the benefit of the doubt due to injuries etc. This morning I've switched camps, how sad is that?
I've tried to give the benefit of the doubt.
I've watched Charlton for 35 years now. I've rarely felt this low or disconnected from our amazing club.
I miss what we used to be
One point to add to the post above is that, after Jones bragging about how great Godden has done (which I don’t disagree with), he promptly played him in midfield in a role that looked completely foreign to him. It also contributed to them scoring the second goal…..
The squad for me is decent but I just feel they arent being used to the best of there abilities.
I have no idea what has happened to Miles, he seemed to have lost both his pace and touch, so the question I asked at the Trust AGM, was blanked by Abbott, under player confidentiality, Personally I think Miles is our best prospect of being the forward that will assist and get goals in the present team, but his 'match fitness ' seems to be some time off to a me as a fan.? The lad looks in great shape, but launching balls to him, and expecting him to be our main attacking threat, did not work last night. Back to the drawing board manager?
Abysmal.
We don't create good chances, we don't give up many chances either.
But if the other team sticks one in we are in trouble as we don't create chances.
Jones isn't very good. There's a squad capable of promotion imo, but we play a system which doesn't get the best out of our players.
Edit: I meant via playoffs not actual promotion through top two. I'm not insane.