Players never used to leave the pitch whilst a game was going on. Only started happening in the Covid season when the leagues restarted in June & water breaks were allowed due to the hot weather. Then Thomas Franck brought out his whiteboard & from then on anything goes.
It should be mandatory that players are not allowed to leave the pitch. If they do they are not allowed back on until at least 30 secs have elapsed from the restart.
Lol. It already is. Law 12.3 "entering, re-entering or deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission" is a bookable offence.
Players never used to leave the pitch whilst a game was going on. Only started happening in the Covid season when the leagues restarted in June & water breaks were allowed due to the hot weather. Then Thomas Franck brought out his whiteboard & from then on anything goes.
It should be mandatory that players are not allowed to leave the pitch. If they do they are not allowed back on until at least 30 secs have elapsed from the restart.
That's going to make throw-ins tricky.
Leaving the field of play when it is a natural part of game game is not included in the prohibition. For example to take a restart (a throw-in, goal kick, corner kick) to go round around/past an opponent when their momentum takes them off the field (chasing the ball to the goal line, making a save or slide tackle) if they are injured/feel unwell to avoid being involved in active play (offside)
Just let the ref use his common sense. If the goalkeeper is obviously faking - as both the Exeter ‘keeper and Mannion were yesterday - then mandate that they need to be subbed.
That would end it and, if the ref makes a mistake once in blue moon and keeper really is injured, the worst that happens is an injured player gets subbed off.
I really think the Football League & FA need to prioritise this issue, it’s really ruining the enjoyment of the game.
Not sure anything can be done about it until next season, think most rules have to be in for the entirety of the League campaign.
Made me laugh yesterday, there was a fella down in front of us losing his shit when their keeper went down. He wasnt so bothered when Mannion did exactly the same thing in the second half though 😂🤣
Do you mean he soiled himself, I say how embarrassing?
The real issue is that time-wasting is always incentivised, this is just the latest innovation. The last few seasons have been terrible for teams slowing down the game and stifling anything happening once they take the lead and it makes the football much worse to watch while it gets more expensive. I think in the end the solution is what it always is, which is refs starting to book players more quickly for taking the mick. It happened with blocking quick free kicks and more recently with kicking the ball away, I think there's going to be more done about players leaving the pitch immediately if they signal an injury. There will never be a way to properly stop these 'injuries' and the refs can't just start booking players who say they're injured and are miraculously fine but getting them off the pitch more quickly is probably the best they can do. The keeper thing will be clamped down on before too long; it'll likely start with players not being allowed to approach the manager when the keeper goes down and then when that happens the nearest player to the manager will get an earful and need to pass that on to the team until they think of a way to stop that as well. And when they do, teams will think of another way to kill momentum and reset. Football is chasing its tail on the ruining of the game at this level and ultimately I think all we can hope is to get promoted as high as possible to escape it
Just have it that in the event of any injury that needs a doctor or physio to provide assistance and or treatment, the remaining players must retreat to the centre circle and stay there for the remainder of the time. If it's hot enough, drinks boys are permitted to enter the pitch and provide drinks to the players whilst in the centre circle
I have put this on another thread following the Blackpool debacle.
In short the EFL are quite content with how things are and glibly recommended me to take on the International Football Association Board on my own.
Hi,
I'm a long term Charlton fan and have become ever more concerned at the amount of cheating I witness at the Valley.
My main bone of contention is the contrived 'Time Out Injury'. It is a game wrecking, momentum stopping, time wasting tactic that is now so common-place that I believe the game is in danger of losing its existing fans. Not only that (and I've witnessed this) new young fans reaching for their ipads and twitching uncontrollably in their seats through utter boredom. How on earth can the game be expanded and promoted while this behaviour is allowed to continue?
At a recent game V Blackpool (with them ahead of course) the final 30 minutes were littered with Blackpool players clutching their heads in an absolute abuse of a thoroughly sensible rule. They went on to win the match, but ultimately it is the game that suffers and it is their profession that is put on the line with fans leaving in droves. At our most recent game against Stockport County, County had a player sent off. This action was enough to cause their goalkeeper to fall over and demand treatment (there is video evidence of this). It also caused an exodus of County players to storm across to their bench (see below).
Maybe a simple rule change could be introduced to stop this in-match coaching session at least? Something has to be done to protect the profession, because as a spectacle, League One football is becoming a frustratingly, boring non-event.
Regards Raith,
Thank you for your e-mail, we appreciate you getting in touch.
Whilst the EFL are not always able to comment on specific match officials or decisions, it is relevant to clarify that Professional Game Match Officials (PGMOL) is responsible for the selection, training and coaching of match officials across the professional game.
Under the laws of the game the match official is the timekeeper any matter relating to perceived time-wasting or gamesmanship is one for the referee to deal with as they see appropriate at the time. It is at their (and their fellow officials’) discretion to take action against any players/management during the match itself. It would then be at their discretion how much time to add on at the end of each half.
Clubs are encouraged to provide constructive feedback on match officials and dialogue is encouraged with PGMOL. The EFL Referees’ Manager works with their group in a bid to constantly improve standards and support the development of match officials and they are subject to a range of training measures to encourage continuous development and improvement.
To clarify, the laws of the game are at the jurisdiction of the International Football Association Board (IFAB) and therefore, for any recommendations on changes to them, we would recommend you get in touch with IFAB directly, details for which you can find on their website here.
I think this thread ties in nicely with the attendances thread. People don't want to pay a LOT for third division football and see the players waste time at every opportunity.
Simple solution to this, ban the players going to the touchline as a group and say only the Captain is allowed. It's ridiculous that it's becoming a tactic now
I wonder what and how the signal comes from the bench to the keeper to go down or whether he can use his discretion ? I assume the former ? Maybe NJ has a nail biting sequence or jumps on a particular hoarding ? Players should be made to stand frozen to the spot whilst keeper is rubbed and VAR used - with lines and angles - to check nobody moves
From what I've heard it's often a tactic used with certain events, like conceding a goal or if a certain player gets booked, sometimes they'll get a nod from a sub warming up down on the line too
Simple solution to this, ban the players going to the touchline as a group and say only the Captain is allowed. It's ridiculous that it's becoming a tactic now
why even let the captain? - the centre circle suggestion above is the best I've read so far
The 4th official should take the role of 'Mr.Wolf' and turn his back to the players. He then turns round periodically and if any player is caught moving towards the dugout they are sent off. I'm sure it could be a new sponsored segment. The American's that watch Wrexham would love it.
Just have it that in the event of any injury that needs a doctor or physio to provide assistance and or treatment, the remaining players must retreat to the centre circle and stay there for the remainder of the time. If it's hot enough, drinks boys are permitted to enter the pitch and provide drinks to the players whilst in the centre circle
There is exactly 0% chance of Nathan Jones not sneaking onto the pitch disguised as a drinks boy to deliver his rant. Possibly delivered in the same basket that Karel Fraeye escaped in.
Just have it that in the event of any injury that needs a doctor or physio to provide assistance and or treatment, the remaining players must retreat to the centre circle and stay there for the remainder of the time. If it's hot enough, drinks boys are permitted to enter the pitch and provide drinks to the players whilst in the centre circle
Very surprised you are saying only boys, should be open to all to do this
Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred option
Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred option
Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred option
Absolutely “no” to official timeouts.
Managers and players would love them! I'm just thinking of Nathan here
Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred option
The managers already have one time out per game. It's called half time
It's easy to resolve - If a keeper goes down injured then all players MUST remain on the field of play. If they want a drink there should be drinks in the goal. Anyone heading to the manager is ushered away by the 4th official or yellow carded. It would stop straight away.
It's annoying when either team does it. Stop it happening
It's easy to resolve - If a keeper goes down injured then all players MUST remain on the field of play. If they want a drink there should be drinks in the goal. Anyone heading to the manager is ushered away by the 4th official or yellow carded. It would stop straight away.
It's annoying when either team does it. Stop it happening
Quite easy to speak to a manager while on the field of play. In fact I'd suggest that's what happens most of the time.
Keepers should not be excluded from the 30 second penalty. Simple.
I think that could be counter productive because, in theory, the keeper's team could nominate someone to go in goal for those 30 seconds and because of that a shirt swap would have to then take place. The ball would then kicked out by that team as soon as 30 seconds are up and there would have to be another shirt swap. That is time that would never be added on because, as we know, it isn't for all stoppages.
However, I do agree that this has to be stopped. So, I would suggest that an outfield player, nominated by the opposing captain, should spend the same period of time that the keeper was down for (a minimum of 30 seconds) unless the keeper ends up being taken off immediately in which case it is a straight swap. Imagine Alisson going down "injured" today and City nominating Salah or, perhaps, VVD which could be even more detrimental to Liverpool.
That said, I do feel that something else needs to be addressed - it seems somewhat unfair on the team that has had a player fouled, and injured as a result, that they are the ones that have to play with 10 players. So I would also keep the player that perpetrated the foul, for the same period of time, off the pitch too.
Teams wouldn't have to dep in a goalie for the 30 second exclusion, they could gamble. Most would obviously. In that case the offending team dep's in an outfield player for the goalie and has to complete the shirt swap while the goalie is getting his miracle healing from the doc. That helps to bugger up the pitchside timeout. Swapping the goalie back in has to happen only when the ball goes out of play and all time gets added on.
Insisting that the teams can't go near the bench won't work, they'll just have a coaching team member elsewhere in the stands - we have an analyst/coach/whatever fellow with a laptop sitting in the Curbside stand on the halfway line as it is, he legs it to and fro at the start and at halftime of every match - getting instructions to the players is a piece of piss, this timeout pantomime is just a joke that refs are too chickenshit to control.
Probably not the right thread for it but I find myself becoming more disillusioned with football with every passing year. Could be cos of age and personal issues but it has become harder to watch.
Can't stand the so called fouls where a player goes down after a slight brush. The time wasting has become excruciating to watch. The bullshit that surrounds the sport to make you think that these players and managers have a difficult job when we know any old idiot can kick a ball around. The hypocrisy, the money washing and the overall game has made it unbearable in so many ways.
I have no idea why young people get into this sport anymore. If I was a kid again now I don't think I would bother. Plus I support a team who on the most part aren't even good at it.
Players taken off the field for an injury should be extended from 30 seconds to 60 seconds (whatever length of time is deemed appropriate as a deterrent - 2 mins? 3 mins?). And when a keeper goes down, the team captain should be the one withdrawn from the field.
That would stop it instantly, and it’s much easier to police / wrangle one player for 60 seconds or more than it is to stop players from leaving the centre circle. It’s also less disruptive to the game overall.
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to take a restart (a throw-in, goal kick, corner kick)
to go round around/past an opponent
when their momentum takes them off the field (chasing the ball to the goal line, making a save or slide tackle)
if they are injured/feel unwell
to avoid being involved in active play (offside)
would be funny at least
In short the EFL are quite content with how things are and glibly recommended me to take on the International Football Association Board on my own.
Hi,
I'm a long term Charlton fan and have become ever more concerned at the amount of cheating I witness at the Valley.
My main bone of contention is the contrived 'Time Out Injury'. It is a game wrecking, momentum stopping, time wasting tactic that is now so common-place that I believe the game is in danger of losing its existing fans. Not only that (and I've witnessed this) new young fans reaching for their ipads and twitching uncontrollably in their seats through utter boredom. How on earth can the game be expanded and promoted while this behaviour is allowed to continue?
At a recent game V Blackpool (with them ahead of course) the final 30 minutes were littered with Blackpool players clutching their heads in an absolute abuse of a thoroughly sensible rule. They went on to win the match, but ultimately it is the game that suffers and it is their profession that is put on the line with fans leaving in droves. At our most recent game against Stockport County, County had a player sent off. This action was enough to cause their goalkeeper to fall over and demand treatment (there is video evidence of this). It also caused an exodus of County players to storm across to their bench (see below).
Maybe a simple rule change could be introduced to stop this in-match coaching session at least? Something has to be done to protect the profession, because as a spectacle, League One football is becoming a frustratingly, boring non-event.
Regards Raith,
Thank you for your e-mail, we appreciate you getting in touch.
Whilst the EFL are not always able to comment on specific match officials or decisions, it is relevant to clarify that Professional Game Match Officials (PGMOL) is responsible for the selection, training and coaching of match officials across the professional game.
Under the laws of the game the match official is the timekeeper any matter relating to perceived time-wasting or gamesmanship is one for the referee to deal with as they see appropriate at the time. It is at their (and their fellow officials’) discretion to take action against any players/management during the match itself. It would then be at their discretion how much time to add on at the end of each half.
Clubs are encouraged to provide constructive feedback on match officials and dialogue is encouraged with PGMOL. The EFL Referees’ Manager works with their group in a bid to constantly improve standards and support the development of match officials and they are subject to a range of training measures to encourage continuous development and improvement.
To clarify, the laws of the game are at the jurisdiction of the International Football Association Board (IFAB) and therefore, for any recommendations on changes to them, we would recommend you get in touch with IFAB directly, details for which you can find on their website here.
Thank you for contacting the EFL.
Kind Regards
Danny
People don't want to pay a LOT for third division football and see the players waste time at every opportunity.
It's annoying when either team does it. Stop it happening
Most would obviously. In that case the offending team dep's in an outfield player for the goalie and has to complete the shirt swap while the goalie is getting his miracle healing from the doc. That helps to bugger up the pitchside timeout.
Swapping the goalie back in has to happen only when the ball goes out of play and all time gets added on.
Insisting that the teams can't go near the bench won't work, they'll just have a coaching team member elsewhere in the stands - we have an analyst/coach/whatever fellow with a laptop sitting in the Curbside stand on the halfway line as it is, he legs it to and fro at the start and at halftime of every match - getting instructions to the players is a piece of piss, this timeout pantomime is just a joke that refs are too chickenshit to control.
Can't stand the so called fouls where a player goes down after a slight brush. The time wasting has become excruciating to watch. The bullshit that surrounds the sport to make you think that these players and managers have a difficult job when we know any old idiot can kick a ball around.
The hypocrisy, the money washing and the overall game has made it unbearable in so many ways.
I have no idea why young people get into this sport anymore. If I was a kid again now I don't think I would bother. Plus I support a team who on the most part aren't even good at it.
That would stop it instantly, and it’s much easier to police / wrangle one player for 60 seconds or more than it is to stop players from leaving the centre circle. It’s also less disruptive to the game overall.