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Unofficial timeouts
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As mentioned already the only solution needed is for all players to move to the centre circle with nobody else allowed to enter the pitch.2
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But also further penalises players/teams with genuine injuries.Callumcafc said:Players taken off the field for an injury should be extended from 30 seconds to 60 seconds (whatever length of time is deemed appropriate as a deterrent - 2 mins? 3 mins?). And when a keeper goes down, the team captain should be the one withdrawn from the field.
That would stop it instantly, and it’s much easier to police / wrangle one player for 60 seconds or more than it is to stop players from leaving the centre circle. It’s also less disruptive to the game overall.
Not a good idea at all as benefits the "dirty" teams.3 -
TV would love this, it would be an excuse to sneak in an advert... which would be utterly awful (and why I never watch any form of American Sport because of the amount of adverts in it!)se9addick said:
Absolutely “no” to official timeouts.Leuth said:
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred optionshirty5 said:Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat2 -
Oh god I didn't think of this. Okay noSheepie1985 said:
TV would love this, it would be an excuse to sneak in an advert... which would be utterly awful (and why I never watch any form of American Sport because of the amount of adverts in it!)se9addick said:
Absolutely “no” to official timeouts.Leuth said:
I think a combination of one official timeout per team per game and the above being strictly enforced is my preferred optionshirty5 said:Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat0 -
If I see official timeouts then that is it. I'll be off to watch indoor bowls.0
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I think you are safe…fenlandaddick said:If I see official timeouts then that is it. I'll be off to watch indoor bowls.1 -
Yes the goalkeeper fake injuries are a bit silly, but it doesn't particularly bother me if it happens once in a game. It certainly doesn't "spoil" the game for me.
It's a good chance to discuss the game, check the scores from the other games, and have a quick look at the Charlton Life match thread here
It's the nature of modern sport, that there are more delays. VAR in the top flight is much more disruptive, while other sports have DRS or Hawkeye delays.0 -
The issue for me more generally is the game is crying out for outside timing as there is in Rugby Union. This is a massive step for traditionalists, which I fully understand. Football has always been 90 minutes. However, if a game was only timed when active, fans would be getting more football even if the total game time was 70 minutes.
I think if this was introduced it would change the culture of players for the better. I appreciate that this would not be possible in sunday games in hackney marshes but we have VAR for top flight football and not for lower league football so there is a current precedent of a difference depending on the level.
Of course this won't stop keepers going down per se but it will help with the mindset of players and managers and as has been said, not allowing players to go to the sidelines on mass through bookings will solve that.0 -
Suddenly every teams captain is the keeper….Callumcafc said:Players taken off the field for an injury should be extended from 30 seconds to 60 seconds (whatever length of time is deemed appropriate as a deterrent - 2 mins? 3 mins?). And when a keeper goes down, the team captain should be the one withdrawn from the field.
That would stop it instantly, and it’s much easier to police / wrangle one player for 60 seconds or more than it is to stop players from leaving the centre circle. It’s also less disruptive to the game overall.0 -
Who will be getting treatment on the pitch to stop the game so the physio becomes the coach / messenger you mean? Not quite the same impact, though I can already imagine Hylton signing up for a physio training course as we speak.Fumbluff said:
Suddenly every teams captain is the keeper….Callumcafc said:Players taken off the field for an injury should be extended from 30 seconds to 60 seconds (whatever length of time is deemed appropriate as a deterrent - 2 mins? 3 mins?). And when a keeper goes down, the team captain should be the one withdrawn from the field.
That would stop it instantly, and it’s much easier to police / wrangle one player for 60 seconds or more than it is to stop players from leaving the centre circle. It’s also less disruptive to the game overall.0 - Sponsored links:
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If all the players retire to the centre circle during a goalkeepers injury, Nathan Jones can still pass on instructions using semaphore.
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I can see a problem with this 'solution'. There are often genuine injuries caused by foul play. This can make players rather aggy. In such circumstances, the last thing you'd want (or, at least, the last thing the ref would wantMartinCAFC said:As mentioned already the only solution needed is for all players to move to the centre circle with nobody else allowed to enter the pitch.) is to force 21 players into a small circle just 10 yards across. You'd be asking for trouble. 0 -
I just wanted to add a view from the bench perspective as I see this happen up close every week. In my experience over the last year or two since my lot started doing it, there's rarely a thought given to slowing the game down. Maybe a couple of times that's been a bonus but almost every time it's about getting tactics across to the team. And they would never stop to think about what it's doing to the game as a spectacle. it's all quite hectic on the sideline and happens very fast, so to them it's not as if everything's stopped.
I kind of think that the game has moved on a great deal and a 15 minute half time break is not really the point - the systems are changing regularly on the pitch and at least two more brief team talks tend to be required. But then again, official timeouts might not help either, because they'll still do the keeper injury thing anyway when they run out of timeouts!
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When trainers are called onto the pitch and stop the game, extend the current time penalty to 5 minutes before injured players can re-enter the game. Captains to pay the penalty for goalkeepers.0
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So, TC is running down the wing, and is hoiked into row Z, by a hulking great centre back, who can't get anywhere near him. The trainer comes on to treat TC, but Charlton are penalised by only having 10 men for 5 minutes?Tunwellsaddick said:When trainers are called onto the pitch and stop the game, extend the current time penalty to 5 minutes before injured players can re-enter the game. Captains to pay the penalty for goalkeepers.
Ron Harris will be lacing up his boots again...4 -
This will benefit "dirty" teams kicking lumps out of the opposition.Tunwellsaddick said:When trainers are called onto the pitch and stop the game, extend the current time penalty to 5 minutes before injured players can re-enter the game. Captains to pay the penalty for goalkeepers.1 -
So here's my suggestions. Same ideas as above.
When a player is injured and a break is required players must retreat to their own penalty areas until play is ready to start.
Referees MUST add on time which exactly and mathematically equates to the length of their injury. Not what they think is "about right". It MUST be the EXACT amount - close like an offside decision but with seconds rather than inches.
In addition, every time a player requires treatment, the opposition MAY request that an extra minute be added to the match.0 -
No good for Appleton, as he'd have to take his hands out of his pockets.seth plum said:If all the players retire to the centre circle during a goalkeepers injury, Nathan Jones can still pass on instructions using semaphore.6 -
The opposition player who caused the injury also withdrawn from play (or gets a red card) until the injured player returns or is substituted if genuinely injured.SteveACS said:
So, TC is running down the wing, and is hoiked into row Z, by a hulking great centre back, who can't get anywhere near him. The trainer comes on to treat TC, but Charlton are penalised by only having 10 men for 5 minutes?Tunwellsaddick said:When trainers are called onto the pitch and stop the game, extend the current time penalty to 5 minutes before injured players can re-enter the game. Captains to pay the penalty for goalkeepers.
Ron Harris will be lacing up his boots again...0 -
But in reality the opposition player will more likely get no punishment or a yellow card and the “dirty” team will be incentivised to kick the opposition giving them a minimum 1 player advantage for 5 minutes.Tunwellsaddick said:
The opposition player who caused the injury also withdrawn from play (or gets a red card) until the injured player returns or is substituted if genuinely injured.SteveACS said:
So, TC is running down the wing, and is hoiked into row Z, by a hulking great centre back, who can't get anywhere near him. The trainer comes on to treat TC, but Charlton are penalised by only having 10 men for 5 minutes?Tunwellsaddick said:When trainers are called onto the pitch and stop the game, extend the current time penalty to 5 minutes before injured players can re-enter the game. Captains to pay the penalty for goalkeepers.
Ron Harris will be lacing up his boots again...0 - Sponsored links:
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You missed the opportunity to say, "You'll be alright, Jack"!SporadicAddick said:
I think you are safe…fenlandaddick said:If I see official timeouts then that is it. I'll be off to watch indoor bowls.0 -
no different to when teams line up for a minute's applause/silence pre-match especially if they stay within there own half of the centre circle.Stig said:
I can see a problem with this 'solution'. There are often genuine injuries caused by foul play. This can make players rather aggy. In such circumstances, the last thing you'd want (or, at least, the last thing the ref would wantMartinCAFC said:As mentioned already the only solution needed is for all players to move to the centre circle with nobody else allowed to enter the pitch.) is to force 21 players into a small circle just 10 yards across. You'd be asking for trouble. 1 -
Yes, there's a world of difference to a minutes applause or silence because it's actually during the match, not before it. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, and I'm not saying there'd be a problem all the time, but I have no doubts that if there wasn't some contingency built into this rule, it could be problematic at times. Supposing for instance, a player has sustained a career threatening injury due to the deliberately reckless play of an opponent*. Team mates of the injured man are likely to be very annoyed and in such situations there's often a lot of pushing and shoving and the potential for worse violence to break out. Do you really think the first thing the ref will want to do is make them all stand in close proximity? No, he'll want them split up as fast as possible. Your rule sounds good, apart from in this circumstance where it could potentially make matters a lot worse.MartinCAFC said:
no different to when teams line up for a minute's applause/silence pre-match especially if they stay within there own half of the centre circle.Stig said:
I can see a problem with this 'solution'. There are often genuine injuries caused by foul play. This can make players rather aggy. In such circumstances, the last thing you'd want (or, at least, the last thing the ref would wantMartinCAFC said:As mentioned already the only solution needed is for all players to move to the centre circle with nobody else allowed to enter the pitch.) is to force 21 players into a small circle just 10 yards across. You'd be asking for trouble.
*Think about Sean Clare's assault on Josh Edwards or Dominic Blizzard's attack on Grant Basey.0 -
If there's worry about them being near each other then just send them into the 18 yard box they're defending. Have an assistant ref in each box too1
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When I was a kid at primary school, when the bell rang for the end of playtime, you had to stay dead still until your class was called to go in.
If the keeper goes down with an “injury”, the ref should immediately blow his whistle, and any other player that then moves has to go and see the ref at the end of the match. If they do it twice they have to stay behind afterwards.1 -
The penalty box / centre circle thing sounds good in theory, but in reality I don’t think it will make any difference. If its purpose is to kill momentum, it will continue to do so. If the purpose is to deliver new tactics or rally the players, the message will be delivered before the keeper goes down to a player who will then relay it to the rest of the team in the designated area.2
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The playground option is the one to move forward with. It would also provide an opportunity for the players to tidy themselves up after running about. Time to pull their socks up and tuck their shirts into their shorts.AFKABartram said:The penalty box / centre circle thing sounds good in theory, but in reality I don’t think it will make any difference. If its purpose is to kill momentum, it will continue to do so. If the purpose is to deliver new tactics or rally the players, the message will be delivered before the keeper goes down to a player who will then relay it to the rest of the team in the designated area.1 -
and maybe swop the teams up if a bit one sidedSporadicAddick said:
The playground option is the one to move forward with. It would also provide an opportunity for the players to tidy themselves up after running about. Time to pull their socks up and tuck their shirts into their shorts.AFKABartram said:The penalty box / centre circle thing sounds good in theory, but in reality I don’t think it will make any difference. If its purpose is to kill momentum, it will continue to do so. If the purpose is to deliver new tactics or rally the players, the message will be delivered before the keeper goes down to a player who will then relay it to the rest of the team in the designated area.1 -
They'll happen as soon as a 'stakeholder' turns up at FIFA with the appropriate big bag of cash.SporadicAddick said:
I think you are safe…fenlandaddick said:If I see official timeouts then that is it. I'll be off to watch indoor bowls.
Or even just a bung to whichever odious trainer wearing tyrant fellater is president
The cat is out of the bag already with official drinks intervals when the temperature is above some arbitrarily chosen number.
The precedent is set. The heat thing is some sort of practical justification but FIFA sold the integrity of the game a generation ago and all aspects are up for grabs, money talks and the executives are always listening.0 -
I saw a suggestion elsewhere that there should be a granny on the touchline whose job is to kiss an injured player better, or rub the injury with spit and a hanky. It might have made Wayne Rooney even more injury prone, though...1
