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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,236
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season

    And that's in the pre-season games 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,289
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    The irony is that you are essentially moaning about the moaners before they start.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,033
    edited June 14
    I would like a keeper of Fabianski's calibre regardless of age. He would be an upgrade on Mannion , but also someone Will could learn from.Someone like Wickens would have a similar profile , but would cost a big transfer fee.

    It seems that Fabianski doesn't meet the home grown profile that make other veterans attractive to sides in European competitions. For example both Fraser Forster and Tim Krul have been linked with returns to the Toon because they both came through the Academy at St James's Park and would count as home grown players in the 25 man squad. Fabianski came through youth football in Poland , so wouldn't qualify .

    It then comes down to motivation. We saw some years ago with Christian Dailly that he was excellent in his first season despite being 36 although the following season he became quite injury prone. If Fabianski retains the passion and it is affordable then in my opinion we should try to sign him for a year with an option for a second if he plays enough games 

    Another element to consider is do we need three keepers? Nathan was keen to bring in Bouzanis instead of risking needing an emergency loan , so I see this as replacing him and not AMB. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,289
    edited June 14
    NabySarr said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    It won’t be Jones refusing, it will be the parent club. Would Chelsea have sent Gallagher to Jones, probably not. When we had Bowyer he could go to these clubs and say look what we did with Bielik, Cullen etc.

    These top teams are very selective when it comes to development loans, they want managers and clubs with a track record of developing loan players, and a playing style that fits the way they want to play. I can’t see us being high on the priority list of any premier league club when looking for a loan destination for their top talents 
    I don't pretend to know what a PL team looks for but would imagine some key considerations for the club they send a player to would be (in no particular order):

    - are the club stable / manager likely to stay around for the season ✅

    - will the manager get and keep the player fit ✅ (we know NJ has fitness at the top of his list)

    - what are the medics like if there is an issue ✅ (Will Abbot)

    - what's the care for the player like on a personal level ✅ (Tracey Leaburn)

    - Will the player settle/Morale/ other young players ✅

    - Does the manager have a reputation for bringing through youngsters and improving players ✅ (Jones was a respected youth coach, and last season can point to Small, TC, Ramsey etc etc)

    - Is style of play a match ❓(depends on the team loaning).

    So on that basis I reckon we are in a better position than for years to attract quality loan players and quality kids dropping out of a PL academy wanting first team football.

    I can see why Jones preferred developing our players rather than loanees in L1, the Championship is a different level and he knows that.  I am sure we will behave 3-4 loanees.

  • Lazy_eye_metaphor
    Lazy_eye_metaphor Posts: 1,960
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?

    I wish he had been around earlier so we wouldn't have wasted our time on an endless stream of rubbish from Man City.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,651
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    Jones way or the highway
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,348
    1 Jones does not like developing players for other clubs
    2 He does not want to block the pathway for our own youngsters
    3 He likes to sign permanents
     which he thinks he can improve
    Maybe he has had bad experiences with loanees at other clubs. 

  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,410
    Steven81 said:
    We will sign freebies when they become available it seems of course you could bid for players and make them available at any point during the window aswell.
    I know of a player that found a new club at the end of his contract. Signing on fee plus big big pay rise. 2 year contract and European football next season. 

    Still not announcing he has been signed by the club.

    Suppose time and place not right for the club at the moment.

    PS sorry it’s not Charlton.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,271
    Athletico Charlton said:
    NabySarr said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    It won’t be Jones refusing, it will be the parent club. Would Chelsea have sent Gallagher to Jones, probably not. When we had Bowyer he could go to these clubs and say look what we did with Bielik, Cullen etc.

    These top teams are very selective when it comes to development loans, they want managers and clubs with a track record of developing loan players, and a playing style that fits the way they want to play. I can’t see us being high on the priority list of any premier league club when looking for a loan destination for their top talents 
    I don't pretend to know what a PL team looks for but would imagine some key considerations for the club they send a player to would be (in no particular order):

    - are the club stable / manager likely to stay around for the season ✅

    - will the manager get and keep the player fit ✅ (we know NJ has fitness at the top of his list)

    - what are the medics like if there is an issue ✅ (Will Abbot)

    - what's the care for the player like on a personal level ✅ (Tracey Leaburn)

    - Will the player settle/Morale/ other young players ✅

    - Does the manager have a reputation for bringing through youngsters and improving players ✅ (Jones was a respected youth coach, and last season can point to Small, TC, Ramsey etc etc)

    - Is style of play a match ❓(depends on the team loaning).

    So on that basis I reckon we are in a better position than for years to attract quality loan players and quality kids dropping out of a PL academy wanting first team football.

    I can see why Jones preferred developing our players rather than loanees in L1, the Championship is a different level and he knows that.  I am sure we will behave 3-4 loanees.

    But I think those loans might not all come this summer. We saw other teams disrupted by January recalls last season and us when Gallagher left.

    Perhaps one or two loans in this window and more, if needed, for a promotion push/relegation fight in January.

    I don't think we'll see the days of 7 loans at a time most of whom make no impact, more likely a couple of extra cherries on top of the cake. And no, I don't mean AFC Bournemouth players.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,737
    Ricky Jade Jones was mentioned on here, hes signed for St Pauli in the Bundesliga according to Sky Sports

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,710
    Redvalleyeast said:
    Ricky Jade Jones was mentioned on here, hes signed for St Pauli in the Bundesliga according to Sky Sports
    Bet that'll piss off McAnthony, that'll mean no compensation (?) for Peterborough as a result.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,367
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Redvalleyeast said:
    Ricky Jade Jones was mentioned on here, hes signed for St Pauli in the Bundesliga according to Sky Sports
    Bet that'll piss off McAnthony, that'll mean no compensation (?) for Peterborough as a result.
    Some but a lot less, like when Aribo went north
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,759
    edited June 14
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    I’m not a moaner at all. You’d be hard pushed to find evidence of that on CL.

    Everyone has their qualities and weaknesses.  We finally  benefited from NJ’s qualities last season but if he refuses loans then he is stubborn or too idealistic. He is also a volatile character: see post Reading away for evidence of that. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,334
    Athletico Charlton said:
    NabySarr said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    It won’t be Jones refusing, it will be the parent club. Would Chelsea have sent Gallagher to Jones, probably not. When we had Bowyer he could go to these clubs and say look what we did with Bielik, Cullen etc.

    These top teams are very selective when it comes to development loans, they want managers and clubs with a track record of developing loan players, and a playing style that fits the way they want to play. I can’t see us being high on the priority list of any premier league club when looking for a loan destination for their top talents 
    I don't pretend to know what a PL team looks for but would imagine some key considerations for the club they send a player to would be (in no particular order):

    - are the club stable / manager likely to stay around for the season ✅

    - will the manager get and keep the player fit ✅ (we know NJ has fitness at the top of his list)

    - what are the medics like if there is an issue ✅ (Will Abbot)

    - what's the care for the player like on a personal level ✅ (Tracey Leaburn)

    - Will the player settle/Morale/ other young players ✅

    - Does the manager have a reputation for bringing through youngsters and improving players ✅ (Jones was a respected youth coach, and last season can point to Small, TC, Ramsey etc etc)

    - Is style of play a match ❓(depends on the team loaning).

    So on that basis I reckon we are in a better position than for years to attract quality loan players and quality kids dropping out of a PL academy wanting first team football.

    I can see why Jones preferred developing our players rather than loanees in L1, the Championship is a different level and he knows that.  I am sure we will behave 3-4 loanees.

    Yes developing our own players, and he has very clearly put that as a priority above developing other teams players (and rightly so). Plenty of games last year where Gilbert was unused and minutes given to Anderson instead. PL clubs will definitely be put off by what Jones has said and what he did last season

    I think we will definitely have 3-4 loanees, but I can’t see them being the profile of a Gallagher, Rak-Sakyi, Maatsen etc 


  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,380
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Bindon is a great shout.  Others at Forest who may be worth looking at would be O'Brien; Tofolo (will prob leave perm) or Moreira (maybe available on loan).
    Problem with signing even non regular Premier players is that they will all have been on high wages, even the occasional  bench warmers. AND having been in the Prem, will their desire and motivation be up to the requited standard ?
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,016
    edited June 14
    jimmymelrose said:
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    I’m not a moaner at all. You’d be hard pushed to find evidence of that on CL.

    Everyone has their qualities and weaknesses.  We finally  benefited from NJ’s qualities last season but if he refuses loans then he is stubborn or too idealistic. He is also a volatile character: see post Reading away for evidence of that. 
    He doesn't refuse loans though, we had two last season. He just prioritises/prefers permanent moves instead. If he was outright saying no loans ever that's stubborn, but that's not what's happening.
  • CafcSCP
    CafcSCP Posts: 1,466
    fenaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Redvalleyeast said:
    Ricky Jade Jones was mentioned on here, hes signed for St Pauli in the Bundesliga according to Sky Sports
    Bet that'll piss off McAnthony, that'll mean no compensation (?) for Peterborough as a result.
    Some but a lot less, like when Aribo went north
    Pretty sure it’s zero.
    Think they said there are reduced payments for players going to Scotland but abroad is zero.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,367
    CafcSCP said:
    fenaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Redvalleyeast said:
    Ricky Jade Jones was mentioned on here, hes signed for St Pauli in the Bundesliga according to Sky Sports
    Bet that'll piss off McAnthony, that'll mean no compensation (?) for Peterborough as a result.
    Some but a lot less, like when Aribo went north
    Pretty sure it’s zero.
    Think they said there are reduced payments for players going to Scotland but abroad is zero.
    Local media is saying “much smaller”. Either way Dmac will be furious, oh well. 

    https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-united-academy-graduate-ricky-jade-jones-makes-shock-bundesliga-move-5177107
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,380
    thenewbie said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    I’m not a moaner at all. You’d be hard pushed to find evidence of that on CL.

    Everyone has their qualities and weaknesses.  We finally  benefited from NJ’s qualities last season but if he refuses loans then he is stubborn or too idealistic. He is also a volatile character: see post Reading away for evidence of that. 
    He doesn't refuse loans though, we had two last season. He just prioritises/prefers permanent moves instead. If he was outright saying no loans ever that's stubborn, but that's not what's happening.
    Last season he brought in loans late in the season as reassurance. He didn't rely on loaned players from the season's start.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,016
    Lincsaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    I’m not a moaner at all. You’d be hard pushed to find evidence of that on CL.

    Everyone has their qualities and weaknesses.  We finally  benefited from NJ’s qualities last season but if he refuses loans then he is stubborn or too idealistic. He is also a volatile character: see post Reading away for evidence of that. 
    He doesn't refuse loans though, we had two last season. He just prioritises/prefers permanent moves instead. If he was outright saying no loans ever that's stubborn, but that's not what's happening.
    Last season he brought in loans late in the season as reassurance. He didn't rely on loaned players from the season's start.
    Yeah. Which is good, as we don't get in a Gallagher situation where our best player can be taken away halfway completely outside of our control.

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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,664
    Just at Starbucks Gatwick airport, I’m sure I’ve just seen Macauley Bonne, not sure if he’s signing for us.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,709
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Just at Starbucks Gatwick airport, I’m sure I’ve just seen Macauley Bonne, not sure if he’s signing for us.
    Probably applying for a waiters job in Starbucks

    Found his level at last.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,380
    thenewbie said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    thenewbie said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    redbuttle said:
    Berkshire1970 said:
    Jones too stubborn?! You’re talking about a manager who saved us from certain relegation and got promotion with an average squad the following season. We are lucky to have him!
    Don't worry the moaners will be out in force if we don't have a decent start to the season
    I’m not a moaner at all. You’d be hard pushed to find evidence of that on CL.

    Everyone has their qualities and weaknesses.  We finally  benefited from NJ’s qualities last season but if he refuses loans then he is stubborn or too idealistic. He is also a volatile character: see post Reading away for evidence of that. 
    He doesn't refuse loans though, we had two last season. He just prioritises/prefers permanent moves instead. If he was outright saying no loans ever that's stubborn, but that's not what's happening.
    Last season he brought in loans late in the season as reassurance. He didn't rely on loaned players from the season's start.
    Yeah. Which is good, as we don't get in a Gallagher situation where our best player can be taken away halfway completely outside of our control.
    exactly !
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,523
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    No … look what happened to Walsall when their loan was recalled in Jan …
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 1,019
    RonnieMoore said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Isn’t NJ being too stubborn if he refuses ’development loans?'

    In this day and age the big clubs snap up the best young talent to loan them out for their development. Refusing them is plain daft imo.

     Would NJ have refused Gallagher on the basis that he wasn’t available at a realistic fee for a subsequent permanent deal?
    No … look what happened to Walsall when their loan was recalled in Jan …
    Wish you could be recalled in Jan.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,236
    edited June 14
    If Phil Chapple tells Nathan there's a 21 year old from a Premier club who needs a half season loan or full season loan in the Championship with the provision that both sides can terminate early if need be and the Premier club will pay 75% of the wages then NJ would say yes IF that player was a midfielder combative player with a decent touch/pass  and great stamina then why wouldn't Jones say yes please Big man ?

    He doesn't want too many loans but this is a step up and that may be the only way we can get a bit more class to go with the excellent application and team work of the players who clean sheeted cafc into the Championship.
  • MintoHumbugs
    MintoHumbugs Posts: 753
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Just at Starbucks Gatwick airport, I’m sure I’ve just seen Macauley Bonne, not sure if he’s signing for us.
    Unfinished business
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,033
    edited June 14
    We saw the downside of loans for Orient last season. Without Currie ,  Donley  Keeley and Kelman the O's would not have come close to the Play Offs.Having failed in that objective they now need to start again. In contrast  Campbell ( he did play well against Birmingham) Gilbert and McIntyre added depth none of them made the impact that the Orient loanees did.
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 1,019
    Richard J said:
    We saw the downside of loans for Orient last season. Without Currie ,  Donley  Keeley and Kelman the O's would not have come close to the Play Offs.Having failed in that objective they now need to start again. In contrast  Campbell ( he did play well against Birmingham) Gilbert and McIntyre added depth none of them made the impact that the Orient loanees did.
    That was challenging for a play off win though we would be happy to stay up it seems so if loans keep us up that's all we need.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,710
    edited June 14
    Richard J said:
    We saw the downside of loans for Orient last season. Without Currie ,  Donley  Keeley and Kelman the O's would not have come close to the Play Offs.Having failed in that objective they now need to start again. In contrast  Campbell ( he did play well against Birmingham) Gilbert and McIntyre added depth none of them made the impact that the Orient loanees did.
    In Keeley, Donley and Kelman they've got three key areas of the pitch they'll need to replace this coming summer, and will probably be the big reason why they may struggle to repeat their achievements from last season.

    At least with us going up, we know that none of the starting eleven have to be replaced, simply because we dont / cant get individuals on loan again, like Bielik in 2019-20.

    I like loans how Jones has utilised them this season, having to replace Gallagher / Rak-Sakyi etc. in recent years has almost been a bit of a minor issue for us.

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