Ramsay has posted a pic on Instagram of him training with Jonathan Panzo. We were linked with him last year weren’t we?
Yeah Panzos name was mentioned, spent last season on loan at Rio Ave in Portugal. Someone that's been around quite a while without ever really playing regular football anywhere. Lewisham lad too.
Chris Powell’s regret was being too loyal to the squad that got us promoted. I hope Jones is ruthless.
As much as we have our favourites, it's a ruthless business. You look at Parkie at Wrexham and he has had no qualms about losing fans favourites to benefit the team. Mullins* a case in point, dropped halfway through the season andnow on his way to Wigan on loan, with lots of platitudes about we would not be where we are without him,
There is no room for "Giving him a chance" "Repaying his loyalty" unfortunately if a player is not good enough and we can afford to replace, then replace.
*Welcome To Wrexham cover Mullins and Ollie Palmer being dropped and other players coming in. An interesting watch and coverage of the human side of being a pro.
I can’t believe we’ve missed out on Hayden Mullins again.
Ramsay has posted a pic on Instagram of him training with Jonathan Panzo. We were linked with him last year weren’t we?
Yeah Panzos name was mentioned, spent last season on loan at Rio Ave in Portugal. Someone that's been around quite a while without ever really playing regular football anywhere. Lewisham lad too.
Does fit the general profile we seem to be favouring - mid 20s, potential to maybe find another level and improve further. So it's not impossible, but I suspect @arny23394 is probably right that he's just training with a friend.
The overseas trip has always been the main deadline for me. If only half the final squad are on the plane, it's a waste of time.
7 new signings were on that trip last season. Mannion, Berry, Edwards, Mitchell, Godden, Ahadme and Docherty. Bar the loan in of Campbell from Luton and Dixon from Jamaica, all our business for that window was complete by the time they were out in Slovenia
Ramsay has posted a pic on Instagram of him training with Jonathan Panzo. We were linked with him last year weren’t we?
Yeah Panzos name was mentioned, spent last season on loan at Rio Ave in Portugal. Someone that's been around quite a while without ever really playing regular football anywhere. Lewisham lad too.
Does fit the general profile we seem to be favouring - mid 20s, potential to maybe find another level and improve further. So it's not impossible, but I suspect @arny23394 is probably right that he's just training with a friend.
Yeah I suspect Arny is right too but he does fit the kind of profile I'd expect us to target too and at a position we need too. Would be known to Dane Murphy too being at Forest.
Chris Powell’s regret was being too loyal to the squad that got us promoted. I hope Jones is ruthless.
As much as we have our favourites, it's a ruthless business. You look at Parkie at Wrexham and he has had no qualms about losing fans favourites to benefit the team. Mullins* a case in point, dropped halfway through the season andnow on his way to Wigan on loan, with lots of platitudes about we would not be where we are without him,
There is no room for "Giving him a chance" "Repaying his loyalty" unfortunately if a player is not good enough and we can afford to replace, then replace.
*Welcome To Wrexham cover Mullins and Ollie Palmer being dropped and other players coming in. An interesting watch and coverage of the human side of being a pro.
All stuff that Jones has already done. Mullin wasn’t good enough for L1 and so he’s not going to be good enough for the Championship. Jones got rid of the L1 top scorer because he didn’t like how he fit in the team. He’s let Chuks and Tennai go despite their positive contributions to our promotion. He knows ruthless, I’ve no concerns any players will be kept out of sentimentality
Chris Powell’s regret was being too loyal to the squad that got us promoted. I hope Jones is ruthless.
As much as we have our favourites, it's a ruthless business. You look at Parkie at Wrexham and he has had no qualms about losing fans favourites to benefit the team. Mullins* a case in point, dropped halfway through the season andnow on his way to Wigan on loan, with lots of platitudes about we would not be where we are without him,
There is no room for "Giving him a chance" "Repaying his loyalty" unfortunately if a player is not good enough and we can afford to replace, then replace.
*Welcome To Wrexham cover Mullins and Ollie Palmer being dropped and other players coming in. An interesting watch and coverage of the human side of being a pro.
All stuff that Jones has already done. Mullin wasn’t good enough for L1 and so he’s not going to be good enough for the Championship. Jones got rid of the L1 top scorer because he didn’t like how he fit in the team. He’s let Chuks and Tennai go despite their positive contributions to our promotion. He knows ruthless, I’ve no concerns any players will be kept out of sentimentality
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Chris Powell’s regret was being too loyal to the squad that got us promoted. I hope Jones is ruthless.
As much as we have our favourites, it's a ruthless business. You look at Parkie at Wrexham and he has had no qualms about losing fans favourites to benefit the team. Mullins* a case in point, dropped halfway through the season andnow on his way to Wigan on loan, with lots of platitudes about we would not be where we are without him,
There is no room for "Giving him a chance" "Repaying his loyalty" unfortunately if a player is not good enough and we can afford to replace, then replace.
*Welcome To Wrexham cover Mullins and Ollie Palmer being dropped and other players coming in. An interesting watch and coverage of the human side of being a pro.
All stuff that Jones has already done. Mullin wasn’t good enough for L1 and so he’s not going to be good enough for the Championship. Jones got rid of the L1 top scorer because he didn’t like how he fit in the team. He’s let Chuks and Tennai go despite their positive contributions to our promotion. He knows ruthless, I’ve no concerns any players will be kept out of sentimentality
Chris Powell’s regret was being too loyal to the squad that got us promoted. I hope Jones is ruthless.
As much as we have our favourites, it's a ruthless business. You look at Parkie at Wrexham and he has had no qualms about losing fans favourites to benefit the team. Mullins* a case in point, dropped halfway through the season andnow on his way to Wigan on loan, with lots of platitudes about we would not be where we are without him,
There is no room for "Giving him a chance" "Repaying his loyalty" unfortunately if a player is not good enough and we can afford to replace, then replace.
*Welcome To Wrexham cover Mullins and Ollie Palmer being dropped and other players coming in. An interesting watch and coverage of the human side of being a pro.
All stuff that Jones has already done. Mullin wasn’t good enough for L1 and so he’s not going to be good enough for the Championship. Jones got rid of the L1 top scorer because he didn’t like how he fit in the team. He’s let Chuks and Tennai go despite their positive contributions to our promotion. He knows ruthless, I’ve no concerns any players will be kept out of sentimentality
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Yep, let's hope so! 😊
I'm not seeing the point of being pessimistic at this stage, might as well enjoy the anticipation (while we can!).
But I do believe we're finally in much better hands than we've been for many years - they've appointed proper experienced football people, who've already planned and tasted some success.
Much of the angst of many on CL is based simply on they don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But the management team know - and the rest of us, we'll all find out in due course.
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Yep, let's hope so! 😊
I'm not seeing the point of being pessimistic at this stage, might as well enjoy the anticipation (while we can!).
But I do believe we're finally in much better hands than we've been for many years - they've appointed proper experienced football people, who've already planned and tasted some success.
Much of the angst of many on CL is based simply on they don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But the management team know - and the rest of us, we'll all find out in due course.
Given the circumstances and the competition out there, we are obviously keeping our cards close to our chest. I don’t have a problem with that one little bit, it’s a game of poker out there.
Didn’t Jones literally say the list we are working from is the same whether we were in the championship or not.
Just that being in the championship will make it easier.
He did but I do find that hard to believe
Depressing if true
Why
Because we shouldn't be in the market for players who want want to sign for a league 1 club, while trying to not be relegated from the championship
Like Lloyd Jones, Conor Coventry, Kayne Ramsay, Macaulay Gillesphey, Matt Godden and Josh Edwards? Those sorts of players?
Of those only Matt Godden has had any kind of impact/ appearances above Division 3, Macaulay Gillesphey is next on the list with 4 appearances in the championship. Of course they all performed heroically in the second half of last season & while we expect / hope most on that list will be able to step up especially KR we need a significant step up in quality throughout the rest of the team.
It'd didn't work out for Macca when promoted with Plymouth, but he's also now a better player now than he was when he first joined us. If we set aside Plymouth didn't fancy him as a Championship level defender, what about his performances last season indicate he isn't ready to make the step up in level?
He got injured for Plymouth in that championship season and they also switched from a back 3 in league 1 to a back 4 in the championship so he had one less CB spot to claim. Didn’t really get a fair go with them and as you say he’s improved and looked every bit the championship defender by the end of the season.
We still need to bring in a left sided centre back to compete with him though, which I’m sure we will do
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Did you not spend most of last summer moaning that we weren’t spending the money needed to get promoted? Even though our business was underwhelming it worked out pretty well. I think it will be similar again, and we will be a bit under the radar, but ultimately we will be successful and stay up
Jones signing a 5 year deal removed any slight doubts for me. He’s clearly very happy with what he’s going to have to work with
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Did you not spend most of last summer moaning that we weren’t spending the money needed to get promoted? Even though our business was underwhelming it worked out pretty well. I think it will be similar again, and we will be a bit under the radar, but ultimately we will be successful and stay up
Jones signing a 5 year deal removed any slight doubts for me. He’s clearly very happy with what he’s going to have to work with
Not quite. I said we didn't spend enough to get autos, I thought we might struggle for promotion in general last season as the play-offs are typically a lottery, and we wasn't splashing the cash to compete for the autos slot. Wasn't exactly far off.
I did also predict us to finish 4th (we did), I said we would win the play-offs if we made them because of Jones defensive playstyle being tailor made for the play-offs (we did).
I of course got some things wrong, like many others do/did. Like Nathan Jones getting the sack after Crawley (which felt like the general consensus at the time), I said play-offs seemed well out of reach after Crawley (that was the majority view) but despite all that, I still said we would win the play-offs if we were to somehow make it, that post can be found multiple times. I also thought Alfie May going was a mistake as did many others.
I even said it on a popular media page and that we could stay up with the right signings this coming season, mainly because of Jones.
My general outlook on Charlton is quite positive. Selective memory I would say there.
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
It's quite simple. The club are saying that they had a plan and in the plan we had budgeted to get promoted next season.
They planned to get promoted next year ??? If only it was that simple (as a certain Danish guitarist told us) What I don't get is that we allegedly had a budget that was the 4th/5th highest in the league but they weren't expecting us to be in the top 6. They were happy to spunk another £8 mill to stand still for another season & to watch our better players leave this summer because you can be sure that Small wouldn't have been the only departee had we not gone up. Or maybe our billionaires are more savvy than we think, having seen signings like Allan Campbell & Gas they thought we had no chance & it was only injuries that forced Small to play RWB & for us to stop lumping the ball forward to that man Gas & bringing Sniffer dog Godden off the bench that resulted in the turn around to our season.
The club said there’d be an interview with him once it was confirmed so I would guess either not yet or only recently.
I know his appointment was subject to EFL clearance but with his employment record I would have thought that would be a formality. Perhaps the EFL are all on holiday or only meet to discuss such matters every ten years. Maybe Dane is on holiday.
Or maybe we're Charlton & they couldn't give a fuck, can't see why the hold up
I don’t think we can underestimate the significance of the changes made back of house. New Executive Chairman, New Head of Recruitment, New CEO. Now I realise the new CEO isn’t necessarily relevant for last season but the departures of Methven and Scott have set the ground for real improvement. I believe and I think a lot of people think the same in that promotion was achieved a season early. The appointments made behind the scenes are I believe proof of intent. Not to splash the cash necessarily but to give the manager every possible chance of success. I’m cautiously optimistic that Nathan’s “journey” will be well worth buying a ticket for.
Didn’t Jones literally say the list we are working from is the same whether we were in the championship or not.
Just that being in the championship will make it easier.
He did but I do find that hard to believe
Depressing if true
Why
Because we shouldn't be in the market for players who want want to sign for a league 1 club, while trying to not be relegated from the championship
Like Lloyd Jones, Conor Coventry, Kayne Ramsay, Macaulay Gillesphey, Matt Godden and Josh Edwards? Those sorts of players?
Of those only Matt Godden has had any kind of impact/ appearances above Division 3, Macaulay Gillesphey is next on the list with 4 appearances in the championship. Of course they all performed heroically in the second half of last season & while we expect / hope most on that list will be able to step up especially KR we need a significant step up in quality throughout the rest of the team.
Conor Coventry also has 12 Championship appearances (4+8sub) for Peterborough.
Lloyd Jones has 4 for Luton.
Sonny Carey has 48 for Blackpool Greg Doherty has 80 for Hull
Luke Berry has 86 for Luton plus 17 in the Premier League
I’m not saying they’re world beaters, but Godden & Gillesphey are not the only 2 with championship experience
Comparing the current ownership to anything Matt Southall promised is absolutely wild. The current owners have put their money where their mouths are to appoint NJ, Will Abbot, Dane Murphy as high calibre appointments. Hardly think NJ is signing that big new contract if he's been told by the owners that he's shopping in Poundland for freebies, I doubt we'll have a top half budget and smash our transfer record but there will be a good budget there and then it's down to Chapple and NJ to get to work and do the hard sell to players on why sign for us.
Not concerned at all this early in the window , the whole championship seems on a go slow signing wise. Probably not helped by the U21 Euros, CWC going on.
Personally don't think it is that wild. It is just two different personalities/viewpoints. I am difficult to convince/a pessimist/ glass half empty type, then you have the opposite who are more open to giving people a chance.
I will never forget how much respect Katrien had on here and Southall, I always thought they were worms. Not having a pop at anyone who did like those two, but I knew something was off immediately. Sometimes you believe what you want to believe.
Lee Bowyer was a no nonsense credible character, just like Jones, yet he still believed what wasn't true.
I am not saying they're con men like Southall, far from it, I just don't and have never believed we will get the financial backing we might need. They have even said themselves we are a year ahead of where they expected us to be. How can a club who are a Championship side historically be above projections being in a League we historically belong in? Statements like that make me sceptical of the ambition. And the whole talk of being clever to avoid FFP utilising the academy which translates in my book to "don't expect us to spend much money".
It is very early doors and like I said, I would be delighted to be extremely wrong as I want to see Charlton do well more than my judgment be correct. I am just expecting a disappointing window.
I do get the impression you're overthinking things @Braziliance.
There's a lot of us very jaded and bitten down by nearly 20 years of underachievement, the Roland years, the scammers and charlatans, even Rock-on Tommy 🎸
But that's our history, it's passed - and our future still has to be written.
No guarantees.... but you know, so far the current owners haven't really done much wrong, and slowly but professionally, are putting down the foundations for a solid future.
They are not going to want to undermine that by lack of investment in player recruitment. Expect appropriate budget and sensible signings.... But we' are new boys to the division and we're not sitting on Prem League parachute payments.
But as NJ would say, we're on a journey. Let's have some faith that the Club are in good hands and see where it takes us?
Agree for the most part.
We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Did you not spend most of last summer moaning that we weren’t spending the money needed to get promoted? Even though our business was underwhelming it worked out pretty well. I think it will be similar again, and we will be a bit under the radar, but ultimately we will be successful and stay up
Jones signing a 5 year deal removed any slight doubts for me. He’s clearly very happy with what he’s going to have to work with
Not quite. I said we didn't spend enough to get autos, I thought we might struggle for promotion in general last season as the play-offs are typically a lottery, and we wasn't splashing the cash to compete for the autos slot. Wasn't exactly far off.
I did also predict us to finish 4th (we did), I said we would win the play-offs if we made them because of Jones defensive playstyle being tailor made for the play-offs (we did).
I of course got some things wrong, like many others do/did. Like Nathan Jones getting the sack after Crawley (which felt like the general consensus at the time), I said play-offs seemed well out of reach after Crawley (that was the majority view) but despite all that, I still said we would win the play-offs if we were to somehow make it, that post can be found multiple times. I also thought Alfie May going was a mistake as did many others.
I even said it on a popular media page and that we could stay up with the right signings this coming season, mainly because of Jones.
My general outlook on Charlton is quite positive. Selective memory I would say there.
It may have been other posters actually, but i remember having debates with people last summer and in January about how it’s not realistic or needed to spend millions in league 1 to get promoted
It is necessary to spend millions to stay in the championship though, but i think we will actually do that now we are here
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We got promoted, I am happy, looking forward to the fixtures tomorrow, looking forward to a full championship season as last time it was hindered by covid and I was going through some life changes that stopped me going footie.
I am just expecting an underwhelming window in terms of transfers. I don't expect us to replicate what Pompey and Oxford did, let's hope my instinct is wrong.
Given he retired from playing you can probably stop worrying about it
I'm not seeing the point of being pessimistic at this stage, might as well enjoy the anticipation (while we can!).
But I do believe we're finally in much better hands than we've been for many years - they've appointed proper experienced football people, who've already planned and tasted some success.
Much of the angst of many on CL is based simply on they don't know what's happening behind the scenes.
But the management team know - and the rest of us, we'll all find out in due course.
I don’t have a problem with that one little bit, it’s a game of poker out there.
Jones signing a 5 year deal removed any slight doubts for me. He’s clearly very happy with what he’s going to have to work with
I did also predict us to finish 4th (we did), I said we would win the play-offs if we made them because of Jones defensive playstyle being tailor made for the play-offs (we did).
I of course got some things wrong, like many others do/did. Like Nathan Jones getting the sack after Crawley (which felt like the general consensus at the time), I said play-offs seemed well out of reach after Crawley (that was the majority view) but despite all that, I still said we would win the play-offs if we were to somehow make it, that post can be found multiple times. I also thought Alfie May going was a mistake as did many others.
I even said it on a popular media page and that we could stay up with the right signings this coming season, mainly because of Jones.
My general outlook on Charlton is quite positive. Selective memory I would say there.
Greg Doherty has 80 for Hull
I’m not saying they’re world beaters, but Godden & Gillesphey are not the only 2 with championship experience
It is necessary to spend millions to stay in the championship though, but i think we will actually do that now we are here