That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
we managed to get to the number required for tanto which i believe was higher than mothersille so suggests we didn't rate him as highly
Which might be because no one was actually in for Tanto at that price other than one other mystery club someone said?
Two signings for fees, Kaminski where our competition was a club offering half of the wages and Tanto who we had a clear shot at (based on the rumour mills)
The two targets we missed (3 if you include Small) Galbraith & Mothersille. Both times we had genuine competition.
Fair play we have spent fees, but the consistent pattern is, when we are in a bidding war of sorts, we withdraw. Hopefully that theme changes as all your signings can't be hidden gems, good players are on multiple clubs radars and you have to meet clubs demands if you want them. It's not about 'not getting mugged off', players have prices.
Going off what we know I agree, but we don’t know what we don’t know, e.g. when this hasn’t been the case, the actual reasons for us withdrawing were etc.
We appear to have beaten other clubs to Kaminski, and there was talk of late interest in Tanto. Mothersille might have been 2nd choice to Tanto.
With Galbraith it’s going to happen sometimes, but the same will happen to Swansea. Most clubs don’t get every first choice target and beat all competition to signings.
After 5 years in L1 I get why some players would prefer a more established Championship team, but at least we’re giving it a good go on fees and wages. I think you’d agree it looks like our budget for fees could realistically be £5-10m, which is far bigger than most were expecting a few months ago assuming we got promoted. I got the impression the feeling was we’d continue looking for frees and paying small fees, whatever division we were in.
Agree with most of what you said here.
In regards to budget, I think 10 million combined is fine (wages, transfer fees, sign on fees etc) anything less and you are asking for trouble. I am happy we have spent some cash, but we just need to upgrade in more areas is all and it won't be cheap.
I just think the narrative being set is irking me a bit because clubs aren't trying to pull a fast one on us, they're asking for the market prices on young talented players.
We either pay and that's great, or we don't because it doesn't align with our budget and that's fine, other targets. Saying we mustn't have felt he was worth it etc makes us sound like that delusional Orient fan saying he would rather stay there than join here. Most of these players we are being linked with are better than what we have or would generally be squad upgrades.
You must've had a bang on the head if you think a 10m budget for transfer fees AND wages is fine for the championship. Some teams will probably do that budget on just 2-3 players.
Let's say we spend 4m on transfer fees, that leaves 6m for wages.
6m for wages is 115k a week. Divide that by a squad of 23 players is roughly 5k a week per player.
It would be nowhere near enough at this level.
You probably need a 10m budget for wages on top of the budget for transfer fees.
I mean on all of our summer business, not our current squads wages included.
So 10 million across agent fees, transfer fees, potential player sign on fees, wages, combined across our summer signings. That is the minimum I think we can expect/get away with.
Weren’t we supposed to have beaten Everton, Villa, Celtic, Rangers and Lazio to Yassin Moutaouakil? I don’t think it really matters who else was in for a player as long as that player fits what you want to do. Don’t think anyone was in for Godden, Ramsay or Small but they were what we needed when we got them
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
We simply cannot be compared to about 18-20 Championship sides as they have better squads, and proven championship players with bigger budgets. They aren't in a rebuild state like we are. Their targets will be completely different.
Malik did have Championship offers, QPR heavily linked (assume Poku signing changed their plans), if you bother to look at most other championship sides, you will realise they already have better quality. That's not to say Malik can't make the step up, it's just how good a lot of the players in this league are.
How am I fixated in being negative on everything? Was I negative about Tanto or Kaminski? I wanted us to sign Bell, we have, I'll post about that in a positive manner.
Offering 200-300k more or whatever it is is not paying over the odds, these are really low end championship transfer fees. I am highlighting the concern that when we appear to be in a transfer shootout, we are losing.
What about us beating Derby to Sonny Carey, who are already a championship side? If we were still stuck on 0 signings I'd understand your concern a little more but we appear to be recruiting well, quite early into the window. Let's hope we keep seeing quality incomings through the door over the next couple of weeks, really hoping we bring in some quality in that RWB position
Well, I am not sold on Carey. I think he could be a bit of a sleeper signing, but he has only really ever had one good stint. If we did beat Derby to him then fair enough, I just don't know how much they wanted him/needed him.
To be fair I am not all that concerned, I am expecting an extremely difficult season, and I sympathise that it isn't cheap to be a competitve championship side. Happy with what we have done so far.
Apologies for the rambles all. More just discussing, not having a moan.
You’re Charlton Life’s very own Double Downer — not a dig, just something I’ve clocked since I crawled back onto CL. Sometimes it’s alright to just nod and say ‘fair enough’ when someone disagrees, instead of battering us all twice with the same post. Anyway, doesn’t really bother me much — so keep up the good work! Who knows which signings will actually be any good for us next season, or if not chucking an extra 200 grand at someone will come back to bite us — that’s assuming that’s even true! Personally, if we get a couple in to give us an attacking threat, then on paper it’ll be a decent window.
Not particularly excited about this one. It adds depth to the squad, which is useful, but I worry Bell might be on a downward trajectory based on last season’s performances. That said, a change of environment and reuniting with the manager who previously got the best out of him could help spark a revival.
Let’s just hope the Luton recruitment phase is behind us now.
Kudos RedRobo, bang on the money!
He only cover …. It’s a squad game we need back up players as well as first team ones
Yes, I acknowledged he was brought in as cover, what’s your point? Classic Mr Idiot.
What’s the point of posting a message like that.
You made a perfectly good assumption of your thoughts and Ronnie replied with a perfectly good answer.
Has Jones ever played a flat back four with a double pivot?
TransferMarkt, suggests we did that a lot this season (lol!) - and that he did it a few times with Luton... He certainly wasn't afraid to try different things last season, unfortunately a lot of that was in November
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
We simply cannot be compared to about 18-20 Championship sides as they have better squads, and proven championship players with bigger budgets. They aren't in a rebuild state like we are. Their targets will be completely different.
Malik did have Championship offers, QPR heavily linked (assume Poku signing changed their plans), if you bother to look at most other championship sides, you will realise they already have better quality. That's not to say Malik can't make the step up, it's just how good a lot of the players in this league are.
How am I fixated in being negative on everything? Was I negative about Tanto or Kaminski? I wanted us to sign Bell, we have, I'll post about that in a positive manner.
Offering 200-300k more or whatever it is is not paying over the odds, these are really low end championship transfer fees. I am highlighting the concern that when we appear to be in a transfer shootout, we are losing.
What about us beating Derby to Sonny Carey, who are already a championship side? If we were still stuck on 0 signings I'd understand your concern a little more but we appear to be recruiting well, quite early into the window. Let's hope we keep seeing quality incomings through the door over the next couple of weeks, really hoping we bring in some quality in that RWB position
Well, I am not sold on Carey. I think he could be a bit of a sleeper signing, but he has only really ever had one good stint. If we did beat Derby to him then fair enough, I just don't know how much they wanted him/needed him.
To be fair I am not all that concerned, I am expecting an extremely difficult season, and I sympathise that it isn't cheap to be a competitve championship side. Happy with what we have done so far.
Apologies for the rambles all. More just discussing, not having a moan.
You’re Charlton Life’s very own Double Downer — not a dig, just something I’ve clocked since I crawled back onto CL. Sometimes it’s alright to just nod and say ‘fair enough’ when someone disagrees, instead of battering us all twice with the same post. Anyway, doesn’t really bother me much — so keep up the good work! Who knows which signings will actually be any good for us next season, or if not chucking an extra 200 grand at someone will come back to bite us — that’s assuming that’s even true! Personally, if we get a couple in to give us an attacking threat, then on paper it’ll be a decent window.
Not a rumour, but I hope we try and bring back Anfernee Dijksteel for that RWB position. Played 33 games last year for Middlesbrough and they finished just outside the play offfs
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
I was told that we offered £300k for a striker but selling club said no. We went up to £500k which was the agreed limit but selling club again said no.
So Jones convinced the club to go up to £825k and we got the player,
That plauer was Ahadme and that is why you set a limit on what you are going to pay while being prepared to walk away, if needed.
Also £5m to £10m seems a very loose range. There is an 100% difference.
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
We simply cannot be compared to about 18-20 Championship sides as they have better squads, and proven championship players with bigger budgets. They aren't in a rebuild state like we are. Their targets will be completely different.
Malik did have Championship offers, QPR heavily linked (assume Poku signing changed their plans), if you bother to look at most other championship sides, you will realise they already have better quality. That's not to say Malik can't make the step up, it's just how good a lot of the players in this league are.
How am I fixated in being negative on everything? Was I negative about Tanto or Kaminski? I wanted us to sign Bell, we have, I'll post about that in a positive manner.
Offering 200-300k more or whatever it is is not paying over the odds, these are really low end championship transfer fees. I am highlighting the concern that when we appear to be in a transfer shootout, we are losing.
What about us beating Derby to Sonny Carey, who are already a championship side? If we were still stuck on 0 signings I'd understand your concern a little more but we appear to be recruiting well, quite early into the window. Let's hope we keep seeing quality incomings through the door over the next couple of weeks, really hoping we bring in some quality in that RWB position
Ramsey will be playing that role and a new right sided centre back will come
Maybe, but you also said Gillesphey and Mannion would keep their places, which now looks a lot less certain.
Why? Gillesphey will start v Watford , keeper position is up for grabs .. and that’s what you want
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
We simply cannot be compared to about 18-20 Championship sides as they have better squads, and proven championship players with bigger budgets. They aren't in a rebuild state like we are. Their targets will be completely different.
Malik did have Championship offers, QPR heavily linked (assume Poku signing changed their plans), if you bother to look at most other championship sides, you will realise they already have better quality. That's not to say Malik can't make the step up, it's just how good a lot of the players in this league are.
How am I fixated in being negative on everything? Was I negative about Tanto or Kaminski? I wanted us to sign Bell, we have, I'll post about that in a positive manner.
Offering 200-300k more or whatever it is is not paying over the odds, these are really low end championship transfer fees. I am highlighting the concern that when we appear to be in a transfer shootout, we are losing.
What about us beating Derby to Sonny Carey, who are already a championship side? If we were still stuck on 0 signings I'd understand your concern a little more but we appear to be recruiting well, quite early into the window. Let's hope we keep seeing quality incomings through the door over the next couple of weeks, really hoping we bring in some quality in that RWB position
Ramsey will be playing that role and a new right sided centre back will come
Maybe, but you also said Gillesphey and Mannion would keep their places, which now looks a lot less certain.
Why? Gillesphey will start v Watford , keeper position is up for grabs .. and that’s what you want
There’s no doubt Kaminski has come here to be first choice, Rich Cawley has confirmed that too.
Gillesphey (and Edwards to a lesser extent) won’t be guaranteed to start in the same way he was last season with Bell now here.
That wally of a chairman at P'Boro spouting again.
Sounds like a weird lie to be fair. I don't think he would make that up for no reason.
That's now the 2nd player we have been quite publicly linked with that we didn't up our bid for.
I know people will say "sounds like the club aren't letting themselves be mugged off" etc but these players cost money. For the sake of 300-500k twice to lose out on a desired target, it just isn't worth it, unless you can find someone of better quality for cheaper.
It's ok to say we are on a tight budget, which if 5-10m is true, that makes it the very lower end of champ. It might be that our budget heavily leaned towards Goalkeeper and a forward as those are two positions we definitely needed a player.
Just don't get why it seems we have this view now of "looks like we didn't want to pay then rather than we couldn't" when most signs point towards us just having a low but competitive championship budget. We are going to miss out on players if that's the case, and that is part of football.
Think it’s more the point we think a certain player is worth x amount and won’t pay over the odds. If you take what DMac says as being true where are all the other Championship sides queuing up for Mothersille if you believe he’s that good and available at a fair price? The lack of other interest suggests Championship clubs thinks he’s either not that good or they can do better elsewhere. You do seem fixated in seeing the negative in everything.
We simply cannot be compared to about 18-20 Championship sides as they have better squads, and proven championship players with bigger budgets. They aren't in a rebuild state like we are. Their targets will be completely different.
Malik did have Championship offers, QPR heavily linked (assume Poku signing changed their plans), if you bother to look at most other championship sides, you will realise they already have better quality. That's not to say Malik can't make the step up, it's just how good a lot of the players in this league are.
How am I fixated in being negative on everything? Was I negative about Tanto or Kaminski? I wanted us to sign Bell, we have, I'll post about that in a positive manner.
Offering 200-300k more or whatever it is is not paying over the odds, these are really low end championship transfer fees. I am highlighting the concern that when we appear to be in a transfer shootout, we are losing.
What about us beating Derby to Sonny Carey, who are already a championship side? If we were still stuck on 0 signings I'd understand your concern a little more but we appear to be recruiting well, quite early into the window. Let's hope we keep seeing quality incomings through the door over the next couple of weeks, really hoping we bring in some quality in that RWB position
Ramsey will be playing that role and a new right sided centre back will come
Maybe, but you also said Gillesphey and Mannion would keep their places, which now looks a lot less certain.
Why? Gillesphey will start v Watford , keeper position is up for grabs .. and that’s what you want
Hope next up is an attacking RWB option. Obviously Ramsay can play there as a more solid option against bigger teams but at home against winnable opposition I think we need some creativity and spark out there like we had with Small.
So far I'm seeing Doucher as a no nonsense CB (direct and to the point), Pavoren007 as a cultured winger (been to Glastonbury) and RedRobbo between the sticks (just because).
Alternatively, I need to go out more. Hard to say.
I'm fine with that but like to think i can play in more than one role depending on the situation - if i'm able to , i like to land a solid bit of no nonsense info (Tanto) but not afraid to speculate on a 30 yarder - i'm starting to hear whispers about the likes of Rak Saki popping up again - seems like an outrageous effort but if you don't buy a ticket - all players need to find a home and establish themselves at some point and i think we haven't really pushed the boat out for a main man yet.
That’s four through the door and we’re sort of expecting seven so I’d say based on who we’ve signed so far the next three are going to be very important. Both midfield and up front need strengthening and we’ve not replaced Small yet.
That’s four through the door and we’re sort of expecting seven so I’d say based on who we’ve signed so far the next three are going to be very important. Both midfield and up front need strengthening and we’ve not replaced Small yet.
That’s four through the door and we’re sort of expecting seven so I’d say based on who we’ve signed so far the next three are going to be very important. Both midfield and up front need strengthening and we’ve not replaced Small yet.
Cawley I think has said at least one more striker/winger/forward is on the shopping list so that's presumably one of them. The other two I'm guessing will be the Small replacement and maybe another midfielder.
It's also possible that we've since updated/expanded/changed the list based on business so far and the figure of 7 is no longer accurate (if it ever was).
There's also probably a few more to leave which might alter plans/budgets a bit too.
That’s four through the door and we’re sort of expecting seven so I’d say based on who we’ve signed so far the next three are going to be very important. Both midfield and up front need strengthening and we’ve not replaced Small yet.
We need probably two right sided players I’d say, an out and out wingback with pace and energy, then maybe a more attacking option. I think we need a blockbuster midfield signing like a DKD or a Cameron Humphrey’s
So far I'm seeing Doucher as a no nonsense CB (direct and to the point), Pavoren007 as a cultured winger (been to Glastonbury) and RedRobbo between the sticks (just because).
Alternatively, I need to go out more. Hard to say.
I'm fine with that but like to think i can play in more than one role depending on the situation - if i'm able to , i like to land a solid bit of no nonsense info (Tanto) but not afraid to speculate on a 30 yarder - i'm starting to hear whispers about the likes of Rak Saki popping up again - seems like an outrageous effort but if you don't buy a ticket - all players need to find a home and establish themselves at some point and i think we haven't really pushed the boat out for a main man yet.
“The likes of Rak Saki”, would be interesting to hear if there are other relatively big names we’re looking at, though it probably doesn’t help the club if those names get out there.
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
I think it would’ve been announced yesterday had it not been for the tragic news. Hard to hide him at Sparrows today so it was announced early.
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
Tanto was at 9, I think the reason they do it that early is that people go and check the Twitter page or the website, it generates traffic the rest of the day with people looking for that mystical other signing. Just a way to exploit fans
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
I think it would’ve been announced yesterday had it not been for the tragic news. Hard to hide him at Sparrows today so it was announced early.
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
Tanto was at 9, I think the reason they do it that early is that people go and check the Twitter page or the website, it generates traffic the rest of the day with people looking for that mystical other signing. Just a way to exploit fans
Charlton Athletic isn’t an e-commerce brand that relies on clicks and engagement for revenue.
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
Tanto was at 9, I think the reason they do it that early is that people go and check the Twitter page or the website, it generates traffic the rest of the day with people looking for that mystical other signing. Just a way to exploit fans
Charlton Athletic isn’t an e-commerce brand that relies on clicks and engagement for revenue.
Everything is about clicks and engagement now. Don’t matter what a business is, it’s about getting people to view your page and posts. We may not rely on it but it’s how the world operates. What other reason would there be for 5 separate posts breaking down the Bell interview. It’s all for the engagement
Was great news this morning regarding Amari'i, but we are now into pm, and looking forward to the next one, must be a reason why it was on the OS so early, so come on Charlton clocks ticking...
Tanto was at 9, I think the reason they do it that early is that people go and check the Twitter page or the website, it generates traffic the rest of the day with people looking for that mystical other signing. Just a way to exploit fans
Charlton Athletic isn’t an e-commerce brand that relies on clicks and engagement for revenue.
No but social media numbers can be used to sell yourself to sponsors. We don’t do it but it’s why a lot of big clubs announce a players shirt number in a separate post a few hours after confirming a signing. I read an interesting article about this stuff a few years ago
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So 10 million across agent fees, transfer fees, potential player sign on fees, wages, combined across our summer signings. That is the minimum I think we can expect/get away with.
We had that spell last season of the flat back 4 box midfield, if that counted as having the double pivot is debatable mind.
So Jones convinced the club to go up to £825k and we got the player,
That plauer was Ahadme and that is why you set a limit on what you are going to pay while being prepared to walk away, if needed.
Also £5m to £10m seems a very loose range. There is an 100% difference.
Even Mrs Mannion doesn't believe that.
It's also possible that we've since updated/expanded/changed the list based on business so far and the figure of 7 is no longer accurate (if it ever was).
There's also probably a few more to leave which might alter plans/budgets a bit too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Town_F.C.#Players
Still will be nice for a second today though...eh