I think this season in particular we need to dip into the loan market.
The likes of a Gallagher/Cullen we're never going to be able to sign, but would massively improve this squad if you're able to scout and select the right youngster from a top side.
Gallagher was lured away when he had become a major part of our team. This is a problem with loans. For a talented young player, the grass is all too often greener up the road. Like Jones, I dislike (to put it mildly) loaning players. However, depending on our finances and who's available, one or two might be unavoidable.
Disagree myself, don't mind if a talented young player is here for a year and only sees us as a stepping stone, fine.
Worked with the likes of Bielik, JRS, Jay Dasilva.
The point is being very selective and not just trying to use loans as a cheap 'get bodies in' type thing as we have in some recent years, where we've had some real dross.
Given Nathan Jones doesn't like loans much I'd trust us to do that at the moment.
Wrexham trying to sign Ben Davies. Mental. 100k a week at Spurs, surely they can't match his wages.
Ings and Davies might have been on £100k+ a week, but given they're both out of contract, they're not on £100k+ now, and no one else of offering that either.
So Wrexham don't have to match those wages.
I think Wrexham are definitely being linked with everyone and anyone out of contract, a combination of clickbait and agents, but I do think they'll be offering high wages for ex-PL players. Look how much they tried to spin Ben Foster as "like soccer Tom Brady" etc, they will try to get ex-Premier League players as it sells to sponsors and on social media more than (for example) signing better L1 players who might be ready for a step up. Plus there's no transfer fees on players out of contract so no 'Wrexham tax' on the fees (though there will be on the wages!).
If we are going down the loan route, I'd like to see Jamie Donley here.
Ideally with an option to buy without being all football manager.
8 goals and 10 assists in his first ever season in mens professional football at 20 years old.
Gives us a different dynamic being left footed, can score a goal and can definitely pick a pass.
I think it could be tough for us to pick up loans that are top academy talents from the big clubs. Style of play is so important when clubs are picking moves for these players, I think he’s likely to have interest from championship sides that play football in a more similar way to spurs which they will definitely favour for him.
If you are a top club with a young player I’m just not sure we are that attractive as an option given the style we are likely to play, Jones vocally saying he’d rather develop our own players than other teams and the only example of a young loan this season not getting enough minutes to develop.
I think we will get loans in, but they are more likely to be loans from players unwanted at prem/champ teams, but the loan makes it affordable for us, rather than being young prospects that clubs want developing
Wrexham trying to sign Ben Davies. Mental. 100k a week at Spurs, surely they can't match his wages.
Ings and Davies might have been on £100k+ a week, but given they're both out of contract, they're not on £100k+ now, and no one else of offering that either.
So Wrexham don't have to match those wages.
I think Wrexham are definitely being linked with everyone and anyone out of contract, a combination of clickbait and agents, but I do think they'll be offering high wages for ex-PL players. Look how much they tried to spin Ben Foster as "like soccer Tom Brady" etc, they will try to get ex-Premier League players as it sells to sponsors and on social media more than (for example) signing better L1 players who might be ready for a step up. Plus there's no transfer fees on players out of contract so no 'Wrexham tax' on the fees (though there will be on the wages!).
They have to match it in the sense that those are probably the players wage demands, free agent or not.
I can't see the likes of Ings or Davies agreeing to losing out on 80k a week when there are big clubs who will probably pay them.
One player I’d like for us to sign this summer is Odeluga Offiah.
Was excellent for Blackpool this season, on loan from Brighton so the link is there for Jones too. He’s a London boy and played for Bromley academy before joining Brighton.
Fully expect Watson to be released and the profile of Offiah is the type I anticipate we are after. Strong, athletic, aggressive, good on the ball. He might not be a flying wing back, he’s more a Ramsay type, but he’d be a fantastic signing for anyone in the Championship. I think the Premier League is slightly one step too far right now but he’ll get there.
Online says he’s out of contract but I do not think that’s correct.
If in contract, looking at £2m+. If out of contract, looking at matching offers of £10-15k a week & big signing on fees.
If we have players on £5-8k a week, they could be on close to or around £10k now if they have increase after achieving promotion, so that sort of wage might not be as unrealistic as it first seems.
One player I’d like for us to sign this summer is Odeluga Offiah.
Was excellent for Blackpool this season, on loan from Brighton so the link is there for Jones too. He’s a London boy and played for Bromley academy before joining Brighton.
Fully expect Watson to be released and the profile of Offiah is the type I anticipate we are after. Strong, athletic, aggressive, good on the ball. He might not be a flying wing back, he’s more a Ramsay type, but he’d be a fantastic signing for anyone in the Championship. I think the Premier League is slightly one step too far right now but he’ll get there.
Online says he’s out of contract but I do not think that’s correct.
If in contract, looking at £2m+. If out of contract, looking at matching offers of £10-15k a week & big signing on fees.
If we have players on £5-8k a week, they could be on close to or around £10k now if they have increase after achieving promotion, so that sort of wage might not be as unrealistic as it first seems.
Yes… but it is likely to be the higher end & then you have the issue of other players wanting deals that match. Once you break the wage structure, you then start to upset the togetherness. It’s the problem Small may cause. Derby or WBA may offer him £16k & he’ll ask for that here. Then others may think ‘hang on a minute…’
Wrexham trying to sign Ben Davies. Mental. 100k a week at Spurs, surely they can't match his wages.
Ings and Davies might have been on £100k+ a week, but given they're both out of contract, they're not on £100k+ now, and no one else of offering that either.
So Wrexham don't have to match those wages.
I think Wrexham are definitely being linked with everyone and anyone out of contract, a combination of clickbait and agents, but I do think they'll be offering high wages for ex-PL players. Look how much they tried to spin Ben Foster as "like soccer Tom Brady" etc, they will try to get ex-Premier League players as it sells to sponsors and on social media more than (for example) signing better L1 players who might be ready for a step up. Plus there's no transfer fees on players out of contract so no 'Wrexham tax' on the fees (though there will be on the wages!).
They have to match it in the sense that those are probably the players wage demands, free agent or not.
I can't see the likes of Ings or Davies agreeing to losing out on 80k a week when there are big clubs who will probably pay them.
Who's offering a 32 year old Ings with 4 goals in 3 years anywhere near what he was on previously?
One player I’d like for us to sign this summer is Odeluga Offiah.
Was excellent for Blackpool this season, on loan from Brighton so the link is there for Jones too. He’s a London boy and played for Bromley academy before joining Brighton.
Fully expect Watson to be released and the profile of Offiah is the type I anticipate we are after. Strong, athletic, aggressive, good on the ball. He might not be a flying wing back, he’s more a Ramsay type, but he’d be a fantastic signing for anyone in the Championship. I think the Premier League is slightly one step too far right now but he’ll get there.
Online says he’s out of contract but I do not think that’s correct.
I believe his contract expires tomorrow, May 31 2025 .. as written previously above, there are i m o two possibilities: 1) Brighton re-sign him or 2) He goes to a 'bigger' Champ team than us (his prowess must be common knowledge to every scout in the country) or even a lower Prem team. Money and league position don't talk, they shout After all that , I would LOVE him to sign for us, a powerful and I suspect versatile right sided player
Might get shot for this but: a return for Tom Lockyer?
( Heart issues cleared to play) But injuries to ankle this last season.
Why is it a good idea you may ask, released by Luton. Was key on their promotion push. But he now cannot demand mega wages, he knows the club and manager, proven to be sensitive to level of football ( hence his release clause previously).
He has a point to prove and could take terms which suit both parties. This would comfort any scares if any CB gets injured.
Wrexham trying to sign Ben Davies. Mental. 100k a week at Spurs, surely they can't match his wages.
Ings and Davies might have been on £100k+ a week, but given they're both out of contract, they're not on £100k+ now, and no one else of offering that either.
So Wrexham don't have to match those wages.
I think Wrexham are definitely being linked with everyone and anyone out of contract, a combination of clickbait and agents, but I do think they'll be offering high wages for ex-PL players. Look how much they tried to spin Ben Foster as "like soccer Tom Brady" etc, they will try to get ex-Premier League players as it sells to sponsors and on social media more than (for example) signing better L1 players who might be ready for a step up. Plus there's no transfer fees on players out of contract so no 'Wrexham tax' on the fees (though there will be on the wages!).
They have to match it in the sense that those are probably the players wage demands, free agent or not.
I can't see the likes of Ings or Davies agreeing to losing out on 80k a week when there are big clubs who will probably pay them.
Davies is 32 and Ings is 33 in July, and unless a newly promoted club comes in for them they are both probably done as PL players so of course they will have to lower their wage demands.
What Wrexham might do though is offer a decent signing on fee and bonus to Davies to offset some of the drop in salary. 30k a week salary, 500k signing on fee and 500k bonus if they finish above a certain position in the table is equivalent to almost 50k a week.
Might get shot for this but: a return for Tom Lockyer?
( Heart issues cleared to play) But injuries to ankle this last season.
Why is it a good idea you may ask, released by Luton. Was key on their promotion push. But he now cannot demand mega wages, he knows the club and manager, proven to be sensitive to level of football ( hence his release clause previously).
He has a point to prove and could take terms which suit both parties. This would comfort any scares if any CB gets injured.
At the risk of sounding harsh, I'm not sure that someone like Lockyer would be a good fit for the intensity and energy that Jones demands. It's not a skill issue at all but given the previous heart issue there might be better options for both parties.
Has Corey Blackett - Taylor been mentioned ? .. could do a good job or us in attack .. doubt is a recent recovery from a hamstring injury, always a problem for speedy wingers
Has Corey Blackett - Taylor been mentioned ? .. could do a good job or us in attack .. doubt is a recent recovery from a hamstring injury, always a problem for speedy wingers
Can’t see Jones signing anyone that isn’t available all the time
One potential option for a goalie with Championship experience could be James Beadle. Unlikely to get a game at Brighton, has some experience at Sheff Weds last season and, obviously, a Charlton fan too.
We really need a wishlist thread as we’re seeing players suggested ranging from a moneybags budget Davies & Ings etc to a poundland budget CBT, Lockyer etc.
Nobody knows what the budget will be and we probably won’t get a good idea until ITK’s confirm transfer targets or we see deals actually happen.
Might get shot for this but: a return for Tom Lockyer?
( Heart issues cleared to play) But injuries to ankle this last season.
Why is it a good idea you may ask, released by Luton. Was key on their promotion push. But he now cannot demand mega wages, he knows the club and manager, proven to be sensitive to level of football ( hence his release clause previously).
He has a point to prove and could take terms which suit both parties. This would comfort any scares if any CB gets injured.
Have you any idea of the likely insurance implications, for signing a player who's had 2 cardiac events, one a full arrest while playing football in the last 5 years?
The insurance agents will be smacking their lips waiting for that call...
If we are going down the loan route, I'd like to see Jamie Donley here.
Ideally with an option to buy without being all football manager.
8 goals and 10 assists in his first ever season in mens professional football at 20 years old.
Gives us a different dynamic being left footed, can score a goal and can definitely pick a pass.
I think it could be tough for us to pick up loans that are top academy talents from the big clubs. Style of play is so important when clubs are picking moves for these players, I think he’s likely to have interest from championship sides that play football in a more similar way to spurs which they will definitely favour for him.
If you are a top club with a young player I’m just not sure we are that attractive as an option given the style we are likely to play, Jones vocally saying he’d rather develop our own players than other teams and the only example of a young loan this season not getting enough minutes to develop.
I think we will get loans in, but they are more likely to be loans from players unwanted at prem/champ teams, but the loan makes it affordable for us, rather than being young prospects that clubs want developing
I wouldn't call Gilbert a young development player , he was loaned out by Boro as he was unwanted .
I can see PL clubs sending us someone to toughen them up a bit, as other clubs will have seen our players were really fit this season, and hard working . The key is to get them in early, so that they have a preseason with us, instead of arriving on deadline day as a last resort.
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Worked with the likes of Bielik, JRS, Jay Dasilva.
The point is being very selective and not just trying to use loans as a cheap 'get bodies in' type thing as we have in some recent years, where we've had some real dross.
Given Nathan Jones doesn't like loans much I'd trust us to do that at the moment.
So Wrexham don't have to match those wages.
I think Wrexham are definitely being linked with everyone and anyone out of contract, a combination of clickbait and agents, but I do think they'll be offering high wages for ex-PL players. Look how much they tried to spin Ben Foster as "like soccer Tom Brady" etc, they will try to get ex-Premier League players as it sells to sponsors and on social media more than (for example) signing better L1 players who might be ready for a step up. Plus there's no transfer fees on players out of contract so no 'Wrexham tax' on the fees (though there will be on the wages!).
I think we will get loans in, but they are more likely to be loans from players unwanted at prem/champ teams, but the loan makes it affordable for us, rather than being young prospects that clubs want developing
I can't see the likes of Ings or Davies agreeing to losing out on 80k a week when there are big clubs who will probably pay them.
If a player like Ben Davies is on 100k a week then the world surely has gone mad.
Probably cost £5m......or less with lots of add-ons
1) Brighton re-sign him or 2) He goes to a 'bigger' Champ team than us (his prowess must be common knowledge to every scout in the country) or even a lower Prem team. Money and league position don't talk, they shout
After all that , I would LOVE him to sign for us, a powerful and I suspect versatile right sided player
( Heart issues cleared to play) But injuries to ankle this last season.
Why is it a good idea you may ask, released by Luton. Was key on their promotion push. But he now cannot demand mega wages, he knows the club and manager, proven to be sensitive to level of football ( hence his release clause previously).
He has a point to prove and could take terms which suit both parties. This would comfort any scares if any CB gets injured.
I am excited by this as Parky said we were going after the same players.
So I am going to start a Ben Davies to Charlton rumour.
What Wrexham might do though is offer a decent signing on fee and bonus to Davies to offset some of the drop in salary. 30k a week salary, 500k signing on fee and 500k bonus if they finish above a certain position in the table is equivalent to almost 50k a week.
Nobody knows what the budget will be and we probably won’t get a good idea until ITK’s confirm transfer targets or we see deals actually happen.
He looked decent for us but he’s never Championship standard
The insurance agents will be smacking their lips waiting for that call...
I can see PL clubs sending us someone to toughen them up a bit, as other clubs will have seen our players were really fit this season, and hard working . The key is to get them in early, so that they have a preseason with us, instead of arriving on deadline day as a last resort.