Brendan Wiredu … abused by his own fans at home park on Saturday , Plymouth had to release a statement condemning the behaviour towards Brendon during the game ( his debut )
What the Bazzballers does this have to do with our transfer rumours?
I don't think we will get relegated but if we were to be the squad would be great for L1, even accepting we would lose players ... But that's all negative thinking that won't be necessary !! 🤞
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
Twattish comment, Golfies comments could well turn out to be true.
As he says he hopes not but going on our past record with players it could easily happen
Twattish? Ouch that really hurts. Consider me told
My issue isn't necessarily with his comments, more the know it all negativity. We've had an unbelievable window, arguably as good as it could have been, but he and a few others will still find a reason to be fucking negative, and deliver it all in a 'I know more than you' tone that really fucks me off.
He's a boring know it all who consistently brings negativity to a conversation and has hilariously been proved wrong on many occasions, sometimes almost instantly (Leaburn scoring twice immediately after he announced 'he's poor, won't score again this year' or something along those lines).
His takes are shite, he's a boring negative melt and I'm going to continue to call him out for it. Even if I'm called Twatish.
Wouldn't have it any other way mind
This says more about you than it does Golfie to be honest.
He might well be naturally more pessimistic than most, sometimes he is proven to be right, most of the time it's not, but I don't remember seeing him come on here to call out another poster in the tone that you have.
He has said this has been a great window, he naturally wants us to do well, but he also naturally leans towards the side of caution and pessimism at times, and I think that is okay too. It brings balance and actual debate to the forum without being offensive.
If his posts and the tone he uses 'really fucks you off', it's not difficult to just scroll passed them and don't read it. I do it with loads of posts most of the time, it's not worth getting hung up about it.
Thanks for the advice. I'll bear that in mind
Nah, I doubt you will.
You're just the old schoolboy bully who thinks it's fun to throw their weight around & call people names.
I'd be more scared/ concerned if you put forward a reasoned arguement. But you stick with posting "you melt" as then I know I've won.
These Spurs players made available for loans. Apart from Donley who would you have?
#Tottenham players made available for loan
• Luka Vuskovic
• Jamie Donley
• Will Lankshear
• George Abbott
• Yang Min-hyeok
• Tyrese Hall
• Alfie Devine
• Dane Scarlett
Barring Donley
Can't see Vuskovic going below a promotion contender, we don't play with natural wingers so Yang wouldn't be an option , Lankshear and Scarlett we've got enough strikers already.
Maybe Alfie Devine? Was very highly rated at Wigan but has seemingly lost his way a bit. Would fit the bill as a CM option.
For those of you who can't read Kanji unlike me he said "Fucking love the Addicks, seeing Graeme Murty marauding down the wing from fullback in 2008 made me the wing back I am today. Definitely gonna be signing today, just nipped back to tell the Mrs to get on finding a school place around South London cause rumours are they're like gold dust at the moment. COYR" I think that's what it said anyways
Did he mention anything about the York railway museum im worried about Preston swooping in
These Spurs players made available for loans. Apart from Donley who would you have?
#Tottenham players made available for loan
• Luka Vuskovic
• Jamie Donley
• Will Lankshear
• George Abbott
• Yang Min-hyeok
• Tyrese Hall
• Alfie Devine
• Dane Scarlett
Barring Donley
Can't see Vuskovic going below a promotion contender, we don't play with natural wingers so Yang wouldn't be an option , Lankshear and Scarlett we've got enough strikers already.
Maybe Alfie Devine? Was very highly rated at Wigan but has seemingly lost his way a bit. Would fit the bill as a CM option.
Any loans now must only really be viable if they are clear and definite improvements over what we already have and I don't really think that any of those seem to fit that - not that they are bad, but are they good enough to be replacing any of the players we already have? Probably not.
The only possible exception is Donley but even then he would be competing with Carey and Knibbs mostly and I don't see Spurs being happy with that, they'll want him playing regularly.
Coming in and playing well on loan for us as a young player over the last few years must have been a challenge, given how awful we’ve been. And frankly it we look back at successful loans of any age over the last 30 years , the list is short -Bartlett, Costa, Dasilva, Cullen, Bielik, Gallagher .. there must be more- I guess you can include Heaney, Maatsen. Not many of those were that young .
I think fans will have to be patientl, NJ has assembled a squad that looks useful. How well they gel together, considering that some have not played in this league before. If NJ can get them all playing well together and they are good enough for this league, I still think we will have to wait until next season to get promoted to the Premier League 😉😁🫢
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
Twattish comment, Golfies comments could well turn out to be true.
As he says he hopes not but going on our past record with players it could easily happen
Twattish? Ouch that really hurts. Consider me told
My issue isn't necessarily with his comments, more the know it all negativity. We've had an unbelievable window, arguably as good as it could have been, but he and a few others will still find a reason to be fucking negative, and deliver it all in a 'I know more than you' tone that really fucks me off.
He's a boring know it all who consistently brings negativity to a conversation and has hilariously been proved wrong on many occasions, sometimes almost instantly (Leaburn scoring twice immediately after he announced 'he's poor, won't score again this year' or something along those lines).
His takes are shite, he's a boring negative melt and I'm going to continue to call him out for it. Even if I'm called Twatish.
Wouldn't have it any other way mind
This says more about you than it does Golfie to be honest.
He might well be naturally more pessimistic than most, sometimes he is proven to be right, most of the time it's not, but I don't remember seeing him come on here to call out another poster in the tone that you have.
He has said this has been a great window, he naturally wants us to do well, but he also naturally leans towards the side of caution and pessimism at times, and I think that is okay too. It brings balance and actual debate to the forum without being offensive.
If his posts and the tone he uses 'really fucks you off', it's not difficult to just scroll passed them and don't read it. I do it with loads of posts most of the time, it's not worth getting hung up about it.
Thanks for the advice. I'll bear that in mind
Nah, I doubt you will.
You're just the old schoolboy bully who thinks it's fun to throw their weight around & call people names.
I'd be more scared/ concerned if you put forward a reasoned arguement. But you stick with posting "you melt" as then I know I've won.
God bless you Golfie you absolute melt. You spotted my sarcasm a mile off there didn't you.
It takes all sorts to make the world go round. I just find you insufferably negative and boring. Doesn't make me right or you wrong. Although you are hilariously wrong a lot
I look forward to your positivity this season, thrown in with the absolute clangers you'll invariably come out with whilst acting like you know it all. Big love x
Spurs are an interesting one. Maybe they will remember how we treated Nile John. Was meant to be their starlet and didn’t get a look in for us
John has since reached the dizzy heights of the Portuguese 2nd tier.
Yeah, I mean fancy having to suffer the beautiful and sunny Santa Maria da Feira, on the West Coast of Portugal when you could be plying your trade in rainy Nth London...terrible ain't it...🙄
Team gelling won't be a huge issue, half of them have played together before or played under Jones.
Knibbs knows Mannion and Jones from Cambridge
Bell, Burke and Kaminski all know eachother, as well as Berry
Apter and Carey have eachother
Kelman has been in contact with Godden already about goalscoring
Rankin-Costello and Olaofe are probably the "odd ones out" in that respect, but I have no doubt we as fans place an awful lot more emphasis on the "team bonding" than most clubs actually do.
I expect us to get off to a pretty good start actually, and use the positive momentum and positive crowds to our benefit
Coming in and playing well on loan for us as a young player over the last few years must have been a challenge, given how awful we’ve been. And frankly it we look back at successful loans of any age over the last 30 years , the list is short -Bartlett, Costa, Dasilva, Cullen, Bielik, Gallagher .. there must be more- I guess you can include Heaney, Maatsen. Not many of those were that young .
JRS and Sessegnon did well. Arguably Famewo, Leko the first time, Liam Millar, Stockley's loan was good, Steer, Purrington, Mavididi, Amos, Rudd, Nathan Byrne was ok, Fanni, Buyens, Bulot, Coquelin, Obika, Cort, Johnnie Jackson wasn't a bad one, Burton, Alex Song, Carson. There's plenty of good in there, the problem is almost every season the good is surrounded by so much rubbish it negates the value. What's the point in bringing in future Barcelona midfielder Alex Song if he has to play alongside Amdy Faye? No point having Rod Fanni if you've also loaned in Simon Makienok and Yaya Sanogo
Also, side note but I went through a few years of transfers to remember some of those loans and the main thing I took away from it was we signed Neil Etheridge three times
The owners have done their job in opening the purse strings. It now comes down to Jones and the recruitment team to see how well they did in talent evaluation. There is always going to be uncertainties when recruiting in a promotion year. Jones has made some clear mistakes in recruiting the last couple years and also have made some shrewd signings. You would figure that the same will be said about this years incoming class but let’s hope the sum of the positives outweigh the negatives. My biggest concern is at the forward position. Historically there are a lot of examples of strikers scoring in League one and then struggling in the championship. It seems the step up at that position is higher than other positions so I have some questions on Kelman and Tanto.
You'll have the answers as the season progresses.
They will be more experienced and perhaps become even better players than they are now?
Spurs are an interesting one. Maybe they will remember how we treated Nile John. Was meant to be their starlet and didn’t get a look in for us
John has since reached the dizzy heights of the Portuguese 2nd tier.
Yeah, I mean fancy having to suffer the beautiful and sunny Santa Maria da Feira, on the West Coast of Portugal when you could be plying your trade in rainy Nth London...terrible ain't it...🙄
Team gelling won't be a huge issue, half of them have played together before or played under Jones.
Knibbs knows Mannion and Jones from Cambridge
Bell, Burke and Kaminski all know eachother, as well as Berry
Apter and Carey have eachother
Kelman has been in contact with Godden already about goalscoring
Rankin-Costello and Olaofe are probably the "odd ones out" in that respect, but I have no doubt we as fans place an awful lot more emphasis on the "team bonding" than most clubs actually do.
I expect us to get off to a pretty good start actually, and use the positive momentum and positive crowds to our benefit
JRC will have played with Bell and Kaminski and Blackburn. Agree about Olaofe but Kelman actually said he didn't know anyone in his behind the scenes signing video, sort of played down his comments from after the play off game. Don't have any concerns with either of them settling in though
Spurs are an interesting one. Maybe they will remember how we treated Nile John. Was meant to be their starlet and didn’t get a look in for us
John has since reached the dizzy heights of the Portuguese 2nd tier.
Cool but that doesn't matter in the context of spurs loaning us a player on the basis he would get some first team exposure, to be essentially left out in the cold.
What he has done since then is irrelevant, it is what happened when he was here
Brendan Wiredu … abused by his own fans at home park on Saturday , Plymouth had to release a statement condemning the behaviour towards Brendon during the game ( his debut )
You've been reading the Plymouth Evening Herald, Ronnie? 🤔
100% what you’ve just said. What I’m trying to say is suppose is that all of our “exciting” signings were good in league one. Wright-Phillips was excellent in league one but couldn’t make the step up to offer what we needed in The Championship. That goes for TC, Anderson, Coventry, Edward’s and Ramsay. Even Jones. We don’t have a tried Championship squad. I’m hopeful because I trust NJ and PC but I’d be very surprised if we’re not in a season long relegation battle. This group would be an awesome league one squad but very average where we currently are.
Its easy to say but I think we just got to be patient with the team bedding in and have faith in NJ's management and when the inevitable 4-0 drubbing against one of the front runners for promotion happens - be prepared to not fall apart as a fanbase.
This seems like a fever dream but I recall our last year in the Championship, it was October and I was sitting on a beach in Barbados and I think . . . . we were 2nd in the table having beaten . . . Derby (?) and I genuinely believed in that moment that I'd be watching Charlton play Premier League football again the next year and then we obviously barely won a game after that so my point is, whether we have a great or a poor start we got to keep focused and positive for the team for the season and keep our fingers crossed.
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
It's called a counter arguement. None of what I stated isn't true. Not saying those players will disappear off the face of the earth but no one can say 100% that they wont be below the Championship when their contracts are up.
I’ll give you some backup on this golfie. Although your argument is I think on the extreme side I do see where you are coming from. The main thrust of our recruitment has been to pick off the better league one players which I think you’ll agree was the way to go. We’ve supplemented that with some older experienced Championship players who in my humble opinion with the exception of Kaminski arnt names that would blow anyone’s socks off. Sound but probably not any better than those found in any Championship squad we’ll face. We need both sides of that equation to work and there’s probably more risk of that blowing up with the “exciting “ signings from league one, than the steady Eddie older payers. It’s absolutely terrific that for the first time in years we’ve actually gone and spent some decent money and we should enjoy it but I think a lot of people are getting carried away. This squad has if all works out given us a fighting chance of survival. For me that’s about it. Only for example but there’s as much chance of us lauding Fullah at the seasons end as it is Kelman or Apter. We’ve gambled and need to hope it works out.
Your last sentence would be true whoever we signed, are you saying there was alternative strategy that wouldn’t have been a gamble, or less of a gamble?
100% what you’ve just said. What I’m trying to say is suppose is that all of our “exciting” signings were good in league one. Wright-Phillips was excellent in league one but couldn’t make the step up to offer what we needed in The Championship. That goes for TC, Anderson, Coventry, Edward’s and Ramsay. Even Jones. We don’t have a tried Championship squad. I’m hopeful because I trust NJ and PC but I’d be very surprised if we’re not in a season long relegation battle. This group would be an awesome league one squad but very average where we currently are.
But the thing is we don't know that. Putting together a squad that's greater than the sum of its parts, using the momentum of promotion you just don't know who will step up and who won't. Who honestly would have had a squad featuring the likes of Burke, Berry, Bell, Tom Lockyer, Dan Potts, Allan Campbell and Alfie Doughty getting promoted? Some of their players were signed when they were in L1 or L2 but they were the right players for the style of play and they were Premier League footballers by the next season. Kaminski was signed specifically to be a Premier League keeper for Luton. The reality is that football is weird and you just don't know who will surprise you; BWP wasn't great in the Championship but then Yann, Stephens and Hamer went on to play in the Premier League, and there were plenty on here in 11/12 who weren't sold on Hamer and Stephens at all. We don't know if this is an average team in the Championship, a rubbish one or something more. The fun will be in finding out, but I'm confident in the very least we've brought in the kind of players the manager wants for some fairly hefty fees and that's something to feel very positive about
The issue for me is not our squad at all. We still have nearly the entire promotion winning team together (albeit they won't all start) and the additions we have made all very much fit the mould of "Jones players" - we've done everything we could hope to do to give us as good a chance as possible.
The issue is that even with all that we're in a league with teams who have got (former) Premier league players and Premier league money available. We've spent enough money that other teams fans are genuinely surprised, yet both of the teams that came up with us have spent EVEN MORE.
I'm positive about our chances but a "good" season for me is safety with a month or two to go.
The two teams who came up with us are a bit of a freak occurrence though. The team that used FFP loopholes to build a Championship team in L1 (which we still beat at home) and the daft Disney team who pay over the odds for some strange players. It's unfortunate but equally we've got a Sheffield Wednesday team who are currently circling the drain and a Hull side with a 3 window transfer ban which sort of levels things out in that respect. What's interesting is the fans of teams around us who are getting a bit hot under the collar about our signings. Oxford, Preston, Pompey, Derby, all these sorts of teams are pretty horrified and if you look at their transfers they haven't brought too many in. I agree, staying up is enough but I think we've done enough to have some teams seriously looking over their shoulders at us. A good start for us and I think there will be some real fear in them.
Agree, and for all the worries that we’re signing too many L1 players, I’m sure fans of those clubs would be happier if they were spending millions on the sort of players we’ve signed.
It’s a gamble but so would spending big wages on older players who might be past their peak and lost some of the energy and/or hunger they previously had.
We were never going to sign proven players who were regulars last season for Championship clubs (aside from those relegated), they would be well out of our price range. What we’ve done should mean we compete and have a chance of staying up as a bare minimum, but if enough settle well and make the step up, we could finish higher.
Also, it's very difficult to get really good Championship players to go to a newly promoted side, unless it's got such a big budget it's "guaranteed" to be successful.
I don't know if our signings will be good enough to keep us up, but realistically we've done all we can to give it a good go, signing the best L1 players who will regard ANY Championship football as a step up, plus bringing in some steady players with Championship experience.
Team gelling won't be a huge issue, half of them have played together before or played under Jones.
Knibbs knows Mannion and Jones from Cambridge
Bell, Burke and Kaminski all know eachother, as well as Berry
Apter and Carey have eachother
Kelman has been in contact with Godden already about goalscoring
Rankin-Costello and Olaofe are probably the "odd ones out" in that respect, but I have no doubt we as fans place an awful lot more emphasis on the "team bonding" than most clubs actually do.
I expect us to get off to a pretty good start actually, and use the positive momentum and positive crowds to our benefit
Based on pure hunch, I think he will be a firm fan favourite and score some goals along the way. Looking forward to watching the team take shape on the pitch.
Very industrious team with some quality. Not saying we will get promoted but think we can surprise some teams!
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Not Tyrese Hall. Only one Tyrese at a time please.
Vuskovic would be too much for Terry Smith. He still struggles with Taylor and Jones.
Don't want Donley. There would be constant bitch-fights with Knibbs to divide the dressing room.
Put in a sneaky low bid to take the rest as a package deal.
Scarlett would suit our club colours.
Will Lankshear sounds like a refugee from Chaucer.
And football inflation is way more than CPI or RPI.
You're just the old schoolboy bully who thinks it's fun to throw their weight around & call people names.
I'd be more scared/ concerned if you put forward a reasoned arguement. But you stick with posting "you melt" as then I know I've won.
Can't see Vuskovic going below a promotion contender, we don't play with natural wingers so Yang wouldn't be an option , Lankshear and Scarlett we've got enough strikers already.
Maybe Alfie Devine? Was very highly rated at Wigan but has seemingly lost his way a bit. Would fit the bill as a CM option.
Not heard of Hall or Abbott
The only possible exception is Donley but even then he would be competing with Carey and Knibbs mostly and I don't see Spurs being happy with that, they'll want him playing regularly.
If NJ can get them all playing well together and they are good enough for this league, I still think we will have to wait until next season to get promoted to the Premier League 😉😁🫢
It takes all sorts to make the world go round. I just find you insufferably negative and boring. Doesn't make me right or you wrong. Although you are hilariously wrong a lot
I look forward to your positivity this season, thrown in with the absolute clangers you'll invariably come out with whilst acting like you know it all. Big love x
Knibbs knows Mannion and Jones from Cambridge
Bell, Burke and Kaminski all know eachother, as well as Berry
Apter and Carey have eachother
Kelman has been in contact with Godden already about goalscoring
Rankin-Costello and Olaofe are probably the "odd ones out" in that respect, but I have no doubt we as fans place an awful lot more emphasis on the "team bonding" than most clubs actually do.
I expect us to get off to a pretty good start actually, and use the positive momentum and positive crowds to our benefit
Also, side note but I went through a few years of transfers to remember some of those loans and the main thing I took away from it was we signed Neil Etheridge three times
They will be more experienced and perhaps become even better players than they are now?
That's the fun of football - it's unpredictable.
I don't know if our signings will be good enough to keep us up, but realistically we've done all we can to give it a good go, signing the best L1 players who will regard ANY Championship football as a step up, plus bringing in some steady players with Championship experience.
Very industrious team with some quality. Not saying we will get promoted but think we can surprise some teams!