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Gavin Carter & Ed Warrick Q&A May 8th
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When was the last time you visited Woolwich, Plumstead or Abbey Wood?AndyG said:
I’m not sure the council would allow a site like the valley sit empty and fall into disrepair today is a different world to the 1980’s. What exactly has our Belgium friend got to gain apart from losing £500k a year rent and the site maintained ? He might be mental but he is also a businessman first and foremost. He might not agree to selling it but I suspect if that the case it is a decision based on a rental ROI rather than spiteCovered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
I say that as resident of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, a borough i was born in & lived in all my life.5 -
The ignorance of some on here know no bounds.5
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We're digressing from someone saying we have our Charlton back, and another disagreeing because of the separation between Club ownership and assets. A bunch of disparate American owners with a temporary interest in our Club seem no more Charlton in their affiliations to me than Roland did. (albeit they come to some games)Covered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
Our identity comes from playing at the Valley, as was painfully obvious when we weren't. We still are, so although Roland casts a shadow, I don't feel any loss of identity with the Club, and the fact is we've improved from 16th to 4th this season, so moving in the right direction.0 -
Clive I bow to your far better knowledge than me re the likely actions of Greenwich Council but business wise it would make zero sense to kick a business out that is paying you £500k a year whilst maintaining your asset when there is little likelihood of a better alternative. The valley is our home and I think will be for the foreseeable futureclive said:
When was the last time you visited Woolwich, Plumstead or Abbey Wood?AndyG said:
I’m not sure the council would allow a site like the valley sit empty and fall into disrepair today is a different world to the 1980’s. What exactly has our Belgium friend got to gain apart from losing £500k a year rent and the site maintained ? He might be mental but he is also a businessman first and foremost. He might not agree to selling it but I suspect if that the case it is a decision based on a rental ROI rather than spiteCovered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
I say that as resident of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, a borough i was born in & lived in all my life.0 -
Yes, unless the lease runs out and we aren't playing at The Valley.swordfish said:
We're digressing from someone saying we have our Charlton back, and another disagreeing because of the separation between Club ownership and assets. A bunch of disparate American owners with a temporary interest in our Club seem no more Charlton in their affiliations to me than Roland did. (albeit they come to some games)Covered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
Our identity comes from playing at the Valley, as was painfully obvious when we weren't. We still are, so although Roland casts a shadow, I don't feel any loss of identity with the Club, and the fact is we've improved from 16th to 4th this season, so moving in the right direction.
How many years are left on the lease is it 6 years?0 -
The clock is ticking.Covered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.0 -
I agree, the council would likely be quite happy for it to be sold off for housing.AndyG said:
I’m not sure the council would allow a site like the valley sit empty and fall into disrepair today is a different world to the 1980’s. What exactly has our Belgium friend got to gain apart from losing £500k a year rent and the site maintained ? He might be mental but he is also a businessman first and foremost. He might not agree to selling it but I suspect if that the case it is a decision based on a rental ROI rather than spiteCovered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
Think of all that extra council tax.
The main reason they wouldn't, is because the fight the supporters would put up.
If we were 100% guaranteed to have a friendly landlord in perpetuity, who would let us remain at a reasonable rent, then I may agree.
But that cannot be 100% guaranteed.
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No surprise he separated the assets, had zero interest in the footballing side of things.AndyG said:
Clive I bow to your far better knowledge than me re the likely actions of Greenwich Council but business wise it would make zero sense to kick a business out that is paying you £500k a year whilst maintaining your asset when there is little likelihood of a better alternative. The valley is our home and I think will be for the foreseeable futureclive said:
When was the last time you visited Woolwich, Plumstead or Abbey Wood?AndyG said:
I’m not sure the council would allow a site like the valley sit empty and fall into disrepair today is a different world to the 1980’s. What exactly has our Belgium friend got to gain apart from losing £500k a year rent and the site maintained ? He might be mental but he is also a businessman first and foremost. He might not agree to selling it but I suspect if that the case it is a decision based on a rental ROI rather than spiteCovered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
I say that as resident of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, a borough i was born in & lived in all my life.Covered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
We're in a very dangerous position, I'd rather be Dushitelet's side of the net.0 -
Thought it ran until 2035 tbh, but could be wrong. One thing I'm fairly sure of is that, if we go up and Roland is in negotiations, the goalposts will move upwards on price .Covered End said:
Yes, unless the lease runs out and we aren't playing at The Valley.swordfish said:
We're digressing from someone saying we have our Charlton back, and another disagreeing because of the separation between Club ownership and assets. A bunch of disparate American owners with a temporary interest in our Club seem no more Charlton in their affiliations to me than Roland did. (albeit they come to some games)Covered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
Our identity comes from playing at the Valley, as was painfully obvious when we weren't. We still are, so although Roland casts a shadow, I don't feel any loss of identity with the Club, and the fact is we've improved from 16th to 4th this season, so moving in the right direction.
How many years are left on the lease is it 6 years?2 -
https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2025/05/09/sadiq-khan-and-greenwich-council-make-housing-announcement-in-a-very-curious-location/AndyG said:
Clive I bow to your far better knowledge than me re the likely actions of Greenwich Council but business wise it would make zero sense to kick a business out that is paying you £500k a year whilst maintaining your asset when there is little likelihood of a better alternative. The valley is our home and I think will be for the foreseeable futureclive said:
When was the last time you visited Woolwich, Plumstead or Abbey Wood?AndyG said:
I’m not sure the council would allow a site like the valley sit empty and fall into disrepair today is a different world to the 1980’s. What exactly has our Belgium friend got to gain apart from losing £500k a year rent and the site maintained ? He might be mental but he is also a businessman first and foremost. He might not agree to selling it but I suspect if that the case it is a decision based on a rental ROI rather than spiteCovered End said:
Except if the lease runs out and we have nowhere to play.ecclesaddick said:Makes no difference were we play we will always be Charlton Athletic . Owning the ground is no difference in my opinion
Just a minor point of course.
I say that as resident of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, a borough i was born in & lived in all my life.3 - Sponsored links:
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Here’s the write up of the evening:
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Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.25 -
Great write up. Thank you.Weegie Addick said:Here’s the write up of the evening:2 -
"Both GC and EW have two daughters."Weegie Addick said:Here’s the write up of the evening:
Random fact.2 -
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.4 -
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.0 -
How much cash (their own I freely admit) they will throw at the squad.PragueAddick said:
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.‘Streamlined squad’ smacks more of cost saving than balancing an ideal number of players to me.1 -
Ha ha yes maybe needs a bit more context - they mentioned it when stressing their support for women’s football/ the women’s team at CAFC.Off_it said:
"Both GC and EW have two daughters."Weegie Addick said:Here’s the write up of the evening:
Random fact.4 -
Not sure if you attended the Q&A or not but they both made it pretty clear that money would be there for NJ if needed. Think the streamlined squad thing is definitely a him thing, especially as it was bloated before he arrivedvalleynick66 said:
How much cash (their own I freely admit) they will throw at the squad.PragueAddick said:
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.‘Streamlined squad’ smacks more of cost saving than balancing an ideal number of players to me.0 -
More money next year in League1 did you interpret?fenaddick said:
Not sure if you attended the Q&A or not but they both made it pretty clear that money would be there for NJ if needed. Think the streamlined squad thing is definitely a him thing, especially as it was bloated before he arrivedvalleynick66 said:
How much cash (their own I freely admit) they will throw at the squad.PragueAddick said:
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.‘Streamlined squad’ smacks more of cost saving than balancing an ideal number of players to me.
Not many on here thought we had a bloated squad I’d suggest howeverCertainly we had players that were not up to the task needed to move on but as injuries currently show we are threadbare.But I digress.My point has always been reaching the play offs counts for little if we don’t make it notwithstanding the monumental achievement since Christmas.0 - Sponsored links:
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The money conversation was in a Championship context as I think understandably minds weren’t on L1! I think lots of people said there was deadwood/people that needed to be shifted at the least.valleynick66 said:
More money next year in League1 did you interpret?fenaddick said:
Not sure if you attended the Q&A or not but they both made it pretty clear that money would be there for NJ if needed. Think the streamlined squad thing is definitely a him thing, especially as it was bloated before he arrivedvalleynick66 said:
How much cash (their own I freely admit) they will throw at the squad.PragueAddick said:
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.‘Streamlined squad’ smacks more of cost saving than balancing an ideal number of players to me.
Not many on here thought we had a bloated squad I’d suggest howeverCertainly we had players that were not up to the task needed to move on but as injuries currently show we are threadbare.But I digress.My point has always been reaching the play offs counts for little if we don’t make it notwithstanding the monumental achievement since Christmas.
Personally I believe that NJ was happy to rely on academy players when needed and that this wasn’t forced on him.
I also think even if we don’t go up the play offs have proved something. Our owners have seen fans turn up more and the demand for tickets for Thursday, that shows that there’s a value to the investment if they get things right. There’s an audience there willing to spend money if they’re willing to spend and increase the quality on the pitch6 -
Let’s hope it’s a moot point and League 1 budgets are not our concern !fenaddick said:
The money conversation was in a Championship context as I think understandably minds weren’t on L1! I think lots of people said there was deadwood/people that needed to be shifted at the least.valleynick66 said:
More money next year in League1 did you interpret?fenaddick said:
Not sure if you attended the Q&A or not but they both made it pretty clear that money would be there for NJ if needed. Think the streamlined squad thing is definitely a him thing, especially as it was bloated before he arrivedvalleynick66 said:
How much cash (their own I freely admit) they will throw at the squad.PragueAddick said:
which are, what exactly?valleynick66 said:
ImPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
not so sure.Getting out the league is all that matters. Bouncing back from play off defeat would be a very tough ask.I don’t buy the foundations are much improved arguments. They will soon begin to crumble if NJ doesn’t hang around and the crowds again dwindle.We didn’t invest in the squad enough and you just have to do that if you want to quickly get out the league. And I don’t hear positive noises in that regard.We are overachieving currently in spite of the tight self imposed restrictions.‘Streamlined squad’ smacks more of cost saving than balancing an ideal number of players to me.
Not many on here thought we had a bloated squad I’d suggest howeverCertainly we had players that were not up to the task needed to move on but as injuries currently show we are threadbare.But I digress.My point has always been reaching the play offs counts for little if we don’t make it notwithstanding the monumental achievement since Christmas.
Personally I believe that NJ was happy to rely on academy players when needed and that this wasn’t forced on him.
I also think even if we don’t go up the play offs have proved something. Our owners have seen fans turn up more and the demand for tickets for Thursday, that shows that there’s a value to the investment if they get things right. There’s an audience there willing to spend money if they’re willing to spend and increase the quality on the pitch
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Was sorry to miss this the first time round, so appreciative for the write up.
Hadn’t seen Warwick before. Seems a nice fella and lovely to give up his time for the interview when he must be right in the middle of GCSE revision.14 -
I have had a few so will reply tomorrowPragueAddick said:
Come on, Elfs. That's neither fair nor sensible.ElfsborgAddick said:
Not going up this season is failure.Airman Brown said:
I don’t think there is any risk of that. Fans would only react badly if they saw the team bring dismantled subsequently for no reason other than financial. You can’t blame or credit owners for the outcome of individual games.PragueAddick said:At one point, Gavin Carter repeated that the owners had a five year perspective and that it would be the 3rd season before we'd be out of this league. In that at least, he and Methven have been saying the same thing all along. And as GC said, it means that even getting to the play-offs means we are a bit ahead of the plan, while winning them would be a major acceleration, and will bring challenges just to keep our status once are there.
We'd do well to keep that in our heads. It's pointless telling ourselves not to get carried away, but we have to be prepared for not making it ( I do it by reminding myself how close we came to completely fucking up the Doncaster play off) and not turn against the owners if we are still in this bloody league next season.
I do think the five year thing is bollocks though. Not going up this year next year or the following year would be failure by any reasonable measure.
They bought a hollowed out club. Not least on the fitness and medical side. They got the right guy in, but he couldn't fix all that overnight (BTW if Small Jones and Berry are all fit for tomorrow, that will affirm my personal choice of Will Abbott as POTY😉)
They then aimed their playing budget for 5th biggest. So that implies nothing more than a play-off place which is exactly what we've got. But based on what GC said, I'd say they were expecting something like 8th. Players like Coventry Edwards and Ramsey are investments for the future. I fear Ahadme was supposed to be one too, but you'll be hardly find a club that hasn't got at least one expensive dud signing.
Don't get me wrong mate, I want us to win these play-offs, and I believe we are good enough all round to do so, but if we don't, we should still count this season as a huge step forward. Not failure. No way.
Kiss kiss my best friend in Prague.2 -
"The owners as fansGC said that the owners’ fandom had increased and that they were enjoying "the journey" and having more fun than they probably expected. There is a very active WhatsApp group during games. He complimented the Museum on doing a "fantastic job" educating the owners on the club's history."12
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One other thing I just remembered and would disagree with, is the comment by Warrick, which is something that Sandgaard also said, that the training ground is Championship, even Premier League standard.
Championship perhaps, but in recent years a lot of clubs have invested heavily in new training facilities, indeed it's one of things clubs do with PL money and parachute money.
This is the new £32m Bournemouth facility for example.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c934enewe32o
QPR have spent £20m on their new training ground
https://archive.trainingground.guru/articles/qpr-open-state-of-the-art-training-ground,-ending-11-year-saga1 -
Thanks for this @Weegie Addick1
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killerandflash said:One other thing I just remembered and would disagree with, is the comment by Warrick, which is something that Sandgaard also said, that the training ground is Championship, even Premier League standard.
Championship perhaps, but in recent years a lot of clubs have invested heavily in new training facilities, indeed it's one of things clubs do with PL money and parachute money.
This is the new £32m Bournemouth facility for example.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c934enewe32o
QPR have spent £20m on their new training ground
https://archive.trainingground.guru/articles/qpr-open-state-of-the-art-training-ground,-ending-11-year-saga
Simon Francis being technical director at Bournemouth will always throw me no matter how many times I've seen him interviewed.
Their old training ground next to the stadium was barely League 1 standard.0 -
yeah I heard that too, apart from some drunken oaf in a cardigan who kept butting in apparantlyHenry Irving said:"The owners as fansGC said that the owners’ fandom had increased and that they were enjoying "the journey" and having more fun than they probably expected. There is a very active WhatsApp group during games. He complimented the Museum on doing a "fantastic job" educating the owners on the club's history."
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@PragueAddick I have now taken some paracetamol and ready for our victory today
I get all that you said and would not contest the off field improvements, my comment is based purely on whether we go up or not, perhaps my view is black n white, but rightly or wrongly I will still say any season we do not get out of the 3rd division is a failure.
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