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  • I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    If you think that’s difficult, take a look at the Championship! 
  • Having got this far and considering who we might lose if we don't go up the simple answer is yes.
  • We don’t win and most of this side will not be here next season, we’re not as flush as some think we are and it’s back to the smaller crowds and this shitty league please let us get out and stay out I’m fully aware that if we did get up it would be a survival job next season. 
    This is what some forget. If we don’t go up it’s not just a case of having another go with the same team. We’d lose some good players and what does Jones do if Cardiff give him a shout at any point?
    We lost our 2 best players last season and became a better team, the need to evolve is constant in football. The point here is invalid.
    Last year’s team was appalling .  This year’s isn’t but losing key players will be tough 
  • I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    If you think that’s difficult, take a look at the Championship! 
    It's a tough league, but this league only allows 3 to go up, the league above allows 21 to stay up of 24. Way better odds and a less points total to achieve (49 vs. 92)

    All 3 newly promoted sides stayed up from last season this season, who's to say that can't be us. I'd back us to stay up with our style and manager over promotion next season, have to be honest.
  • edited May 20
    Yes.  To get this far, with current form, we should win comfortably.  Defeat is possible and would be a failure.  We've seen the underdog win at Wembley on many occasions notably 1998 and 2019.  This time we are favourites and I'm feeling very optimistic .... this might come back to bite me.
  • Yes.  To get this far, with current form, we should win comfortably.  Defeat is possible and would be a failure.  We've seen the underdog win at Wembley on many occasions notably 1998 and 2019.  This time we are favourites and I'm feeling very optimistic .... this might come back to bite me.
    Current form, think Orient have won 6 out of the last 7 and the other was a draw. 
  • I'm almost more interested in the transfer window than the result at Wembley. I think in my head we are going up this year or next and so it's about building an exciting team for next year's League 1 or a battling team for next year's Championship. With Jones in charge i am confident we'll keep performing next year and be comfortable in the autos at season end. 
    We’ll never have a better chance of being promoted than Sunday. A one off game with a squad we know is capable of beating the opposition versus another 46 match slog with an unknown squad. We have to do it, defeat is a failure. 
  • I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    Not so sure on Orient as they'll lose a few players. Some of their first XI are on loan, including Kelman and Donley, and i'd expect Galbraith and potentially Agyei to have championship clubs interested. They could end up needing to replace half their team.
  • Absolutely not and any suggestion that it is would be is an utterly bizarre take, we have (like any other club) no god given right to success. Our aim at the beginning of the season was play-offs, thats what was set out at the beginning of the season, we have succeeded in that. However we no have a chance to step forward and actually achieve something.

    The aim is always to build something and Jones has shown that there is something building here, as long as we are moving forward I will be patient. However, If we don't go up come Sunday I won't be happy with getting to the play-offs next season, we need to actively be pushing and achieve top or at minimum going up via play-offs.

    As for the argument that if we don't go up we will lose players or need to rebuild, it's an understandable but none the less misguided view and i will explain why those that believe it are wrong. Will we lose players more than likely, yes we will. However who are we likely to lose - Small (almost definitely), Campbell (more than likely but still in contract), Lloyd Jones (possibly but I would say unlikely and just signed a three year contract), Coventry (again unlikely but even if he did still in contract).

    Last season we lost unarguably our 2 best players in May and Dobbo, yet we are a better team this season than we were last season, thats not a debate its quantifiable fact (I'm not starting the debate whether it was there fault or not, thats separate and silly anyway). So the idea that losing a couple of our better players and its unlikely we would lose ALL 4 I mentioned above is frankly illogical and screams in the face of the obvious evidence from last season. Equally even if we do go up this team will still need a substantial addition of players (and probably trim a few) to not be relegated immediately.
    Posted this late last night but I'd add to this there are conceivably 10 Championship ready teams in our division each season in terms of infrastructure and only 3 can get promoted that plus the reasons above are why its clearly hubris and ignorance to believe that losing the playoff final would be a failure this season 

    Birmingham and Wrexham got promoted after one season in this division, this is our 5th season.
    Respectfully we are neither Birmingham or Wrexham, Wrexham operate with the budget of a club premier league level and ditto for Birmingham who were selling out their ground in L!
    Wrexham definitely do not operate anywhere near a Premier league level. Not even close. 

    They've paid some players championship wages, but that's it.

    Same as Birmingham, upper to mid-table championship wages, of course they've spent more transfer fees than a lot of championship sides, hence why they're an anomaly. 
    You're incorrect, im talking about the whole funding of the club not the transfer and wage budget alone. Look at their sponsorship. Look at how much money they brought in, thats why they can and will spend money at the needed level each year.
  • wmcf123 said:
    We don’t win and most of this side will not be here next season, we’re not as flush as some think we are and it’s back to the smaller crowds and this shitty league please let us get out and stay out I’m fully aware that if we did get up it would be a survival job next season. 
    This is what some forget. If we don’t go up it’s not just a case of having another go with the same team. We’d lose some good players and what does Jones do if Cardiff give him a shout at any point?
    We lost our 2 best players last season and became a better team, the need to evolve is constant in football. The point here is invalid.
    Last year’s team was appalling .  This year’s isn’t but losing key players will be tough 
    Agreed but it doesnt detract from the fact that we lost our best players and still rebuilt, also worth half the starting line up were here last season aswell.
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  • Absolutely not and any suggestion that it is would be is an utterly bizarre take, we have (like any other club) no god given right to success. Our aim at the beginning of the season was play-offs, thats what was set out at the beginning of the season, we have succeeded in that. However we no have a chance to step forward and actually achieve something.

    The aim is always to build something and Jones has shown that there is something building here, as long as we are moving forward I will be patient. However, If we don't go up come Sunday I won't be happy with getting to the play-offs next season, we need to actively be pushing and achieve top or at minimum going up via play-offs.

    As for the argument that if we don't go up we will lose players or need to rebuild, it's an understandable but none the less misguided view and i will explain why those that believe it are wrong. Will we lose players more than likely, yes we will. However who are we likely to lose - Small (almost definitely), Campbell (more than likely but still in contract), Lloyd Jones (possibly but I would say unlikely and just signed a three year contract), Coventry (again unlikely but even if he did still in contract).

    Last season we lost unarguably our 2 best players in May and Dobbo, yet we are a better team this season than we were last season, thats not a debate its quantifiable fact (I'm not starting the debate whether it was there fault or not, thats separate and silly anyway). So the idea that losing a couple of our better players and its unlikely we would lose ALL 4 I mentioned above is frankly illogical and screams in the face of the obvious evidence from last season. Equally even if we do go up this team will still need a substantial addition of players (and probably trim a few) to not be relegated immediately.
    Posted this late last night but I'd add to this there are conceivably 10 Championship ready teams in our division each season in terms of infrastructure and only 3 can get promoted that plus the reasons above are why its clearly hubris and ignorance to believe that losing the playoff final would be a failure this season 

    Birmingham and Wrexham got promoted after one season in this division, this is our 5th season.
    Respectfully we are neither Birmingham or Wrexham, Wrexham operate with the budget of a club premier league level and ditto for Birmingham who were selling out their ground in L!

    Wycombe should have gone up, they did not, but their budget could not have been much.
    Again i refer to my previous point, no club has a god given right to success.
  • I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    If you think that’s difficult, take a look at the Championship! 
    It's a tough league, but this league only allows 3 to go up, the league above allows 21 to stay up of 24. Way better odds and a less points total to achieve (49 vs. 92)

    All 3 newly promoted sides stayed up from last season this season, who's to say that can't be us. I'd back us to stay up with our style and manager over promotion next season, have to be honest.
    I think the Championship will be extremely competitive next season. Plymouth paid the price for the Rooney experiment and Cardiff are a basket case club that have been flirting with relegation for a few seasons now. It shows how tough it can be when Luton couldn't escape the clutches of relegation with a pretty decent side. Oxford United, Preston North End, Derby County and Portsmouth will be the weakest teams imo. That's the mini-league. We'd need 7-8 players imo. Can see us being competitive in each game, but not scoring many. 
  • edited May 20
    I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    I think reality is somewhere between these two places. I expect Stockport to be top six again next season. I don’t expect Wycombe to be, or Orient if they lose on Sunday.

    I don’t expect all three of the relegated sides to be top six - it rarely works that way. Though one or possibly two will.

    You’d also expect better seasons from Bolton, Huddersfield, Rotherham and possibly Peterborough - though, again, the odds suggest it won’t be all four of them on the rise at the same time.



    As mentioned before, every League One season looks like a disaster to be involved in before it starts. It ends up being the teams that you didn’t expect to be up there challenging for autos like Wrexham, Wycombe and Stockport that are the pain in your neck.


    If we don’t win on Sunday, I’ll have a stab at next season’s top six now: Charlton, Stockport, Plymouth, Bolton, Huddersfield, Blackpool (not necessarily in that order)
  • Absolutely not and any suggestion that it is would be is an utterly bizarre take, we have (like any other club) no god given right to success. Our aim at the beginning of the season was play-offs, thats what was set out at the beginning of the season, we have succeeded in that. However we no have a chance to step forward and actually achieve something.

    The aim is always to build something and Jones has shown that there is something building here, as long as we are moving forward I will be patient. However, If we don't go up come Sunday I won't be happy with getting to the play-offs next season, we need to actively be pushing and achieve top or at minimum going up via play-offs.

    As for the argument that if we don't go up we will lose players or need to rebuild, it's an understandable but none the less misguided view and i will explain why those that believe it are wrong. Will we lose players more than likely, yes we will. However who are we likely to lose - Small (almost definitely), Campbell (more than likely but still in contract), Lloyd Jones (possibly but I would say unlikely and just signed a three year contract), Coventry (again unlikely but even if he did still in contract).

    Last season we lost unarguably our 2 best players in May and Dobbo, yet we are a better team this season than we were last season, thats not a debate its quantifiable fact (I'm not starting the debate whether it was there fault or not, thats separate and silly anyway). So the idea that losing a couple of our better players and its unlikely we would lose ALL 4 I mentioned above is frankly illogical and screams in the face of the obvious evidence from last season. Equally even if we do go up this team will still need a substantial addition of players (and probably trim a few) to not be relegated immediately.
    Posted this late last night but I'd add to this there are conceivably 10 Championship ready teams in our division each season in terms of infrastructure and only 3 can get promoted that plus the reasons above are why its clearly hubris and ignorance to believe that losing the playoff final would be a failure this season 

    Birmingham and Wrexham got promoted after one season in this division, this is our 5th season.
    Respectfully we are neither Birmingham or Wrexham, Wrexham operate with the budget of a club premier league level and ditto for Birmingham who were selling out their ground in L!

    Wycombe should have gone up, they did not, but their budget could not have been much.
    Again i refer to my previous point, no club has a god given right to success.
    Agreed, but a club of our size and resources, surely you would have thought when we went down in 2020 we'd have gone up by now?

  • Yes we have to get out of this league. More and more ex Premier league clubs are joining and will just make it harder for us to get out. 

    We hardly have a bunch of owners who are willing to spend to get out of this league thus far. Hope should we go up they realise importance of doing just that. 
  • I've got to be honest, I don't see us top2 next season, or rather it was more likely this season.

    Luton coming down are loaded, Plymouth probably better equipped to go straight back up, if Cardiff pull their finger out they could be a problem. 

    Stockport are loaded and a good side, Wycombe have rich owners, all the sides coming up, look more of a test than the sides coming down. 

    You expect the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham and Bolton to sort their shit out. Reading new owners and always have loads of quality. 

    I think next season looks a far harder test than this season without the obvious anomaly of Birmingham City. 

    I don't want anything to do with this league. It will be harder to be promoted next season than stay up in the champ imo. Just a hunch.
    I can see Stockport struggling to match this season, and at some point Challinor will be tempted away. And Wycombe might have a rich owner, but are a small club without the excitement of Wrexham. Wycombe's success is as the aggressive underdog, not by splashing the cash.

    This is Orient's big chance of promotion, as without Kelman, where will the goals come from?

    Birmingham splashed the cash this season, but so did Wrexham in January, signing Smith for £2m. I doubt any team next season in L1 will be spending that sort of money.
    Stockport won't struggle, they're in a great place. Their owner is seriously minted and has big ambitions for them. As long as they keep Challinor and add to that squad they'll be right up there again. 

    Doesn't matter how small Wycombe are, a club who can afford the players they can and can afford to turn down 7 million bids will eventually break through. They just need a better manager. 

    I also disagree on Orient, new billionaire owners and building slowly. All 3 of those sides will comfortably be around the top10 and beyond (if Orient stay down). 

    All have wealthier owners if what I've heard from some of their close ties is true. 

    This league is a disaster next season. Want nothing to do with it.

    Luton have parachute payments and a manager who had a much smaller club, with less of a budget flying this season until he left. They're probably your Birmingham next season. 

    Anyway, hopefully none of this matters in a weeks time.
    I think reality is somewhere between these two places. I expect Stockport to be top six again next season. I don’t expect Wycombe to be, or Orient if they lose on Sunday.

    I don’t expect all three of the relegated sides to be top six - it rarely works that way. Though one or possibly two will.

    You’d also expect better seasons from Bolton, Huddersfield, Rotherham and possibly Peterborough - though, again, the odds suggest it won’t be all four of them on the rise at the same time.



    As mentioned before, every League One season looks like a disaster to be involved in before it starts. It ends up being the teams that you didn’t expect to be up there challenging for autos like Wrexham, Wycombe and Stockport that are the pain in your neck.


    If we don’t win on Sunday, I’ll have a stab at next season’s top six now: Charlton, Stockport, Plymouth, Bolton, Huddersfield, Blackpool (not necessarily in that order)
    Peterborough seem to have lost the knack of selling players at the right time for fat fees, and without that they don't have the money to cherry pick the lower leagues. I think Rotherham's "glory days" of bouncing between L1 and the Championship are over now.

    But I'd expect Bolton and Huddersfield to be up there with Luton and Plymouth. I think Reading will be up there too.

    Cardiff could be a contender, while I'd expect Blackpool to be top 10. Stockport may be, if they can keep Challinor.
  • Yes we have to get out of this league. More and more ex Premier league clubs are joining and will just make it harder for us to get out. 

    We hardly have a bunch of owners who are willing to spend to get out of this league thus far. Hope should we go up they realise importance of doing just that. 
    Agree, this is exactly what I'm more bothered about if we do win. No serious money offered and we'll be back within a season. 
  • Hypothetically speaking, if this doesn't quite work out and we lose on Sunday.

    The manager and the players must all stay loyal/united together, we continue to build the squad and we go again.

    That way, we might be in contention to fight for 1st or 2nd place next season. 

    That would answer the question to the thread title 
  • Dave2l said:
    Hypothetically speaking, if this doesn't quite work out and we lose on Sunday.

    The manager and the players must all stay loyal/united together, we continue to build the squad and we go again.

    That way, we might be in contention to fight for 1st or 2nd place next season. 

    That would answer the question to the thread title 
    The fence panels on your bottom must be sore.
  • Yes we have to get out of this league. More and more ex Premier league clubs are joining and will just make it harder for us to get out. 

    We hardly have a bunch of owners who are willing to spend to get out of this league thus far. Hope should we go up they realise importance of doing just that. 
    Agree, this is exactly what I'm more bothered about if we do win. No serious money offered and we'll be back within a season. 
    All the more reason to go up then.

    If we go up with 40k+ Charlton fans in attendance, someone from the outside might think, London club, big-ish following, one league away from the promised land, and a cheaper option than the likes of Fulham, West Ham, Palace, Brentford etc.

    Our current owners make a profit, we get owners who will potentially bank roll us, everyone's a winner. 

    That's all football is now. Just hoping someone extremely rich with more money than sense comes along to bankroll the club.

    There is never a bad time to get promoted. It's genuinely ludicrous to think otherwise, sorry. Unless you're content with Charlton punching below their weight, if so fair enough. 
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  • Absolutely yes, as we will lose some of our better players and have another year in this crappy league
  • Defeat isn’t a failure as such but we’ve got to get out of this league and show serious intent next season, the real failure would be to go up and straight back down again 
  • Yes we have to get out of this league. More and more ex Premier league clubs are joining and will just make it harder for us to get out. 

    We hardly have a bunch of owners who are willing to spend to get out of this league thus far. Hope should we go up they realise importance of doing just that. 
    Agree, this is exactly what I'm more bothered about if we do win. No serious money offered and we'll be back within a season. 
    All the more reason to go up then.

    If we go up with 40k+ Charlton fans in attendance, someone from the outside might think, London club, big-ish following, one league away from the promised land, and a cheaper option than the likes of Fulham, West Ham, Palace, Brentford etc.
    Until they ask about who owns the stadium... 
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