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  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
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    Henry Irving said:

    church-lane said:

    Just reading the article in the post by Fishy above, reminded me of the discussion my wife and I were having the other day. Charlene White says that she doesn't wear a poppy on screen because she doesn't want to advertise one charity above any others she supports, which I understand. The discussion that my wife and i were having centred around the fact that although I choose to buy a poppy each year (usually more than one), I don't do it to support the charity, I do it to show that I remember and am grateful for the sacrifice of those who paid the ultimate price. Wifey insists that we should buy a poppy each year to support the charity. Now, I'm sure most of us who buy poppies to do both of these things, but surely the most important is the act of remembrance and not the charity isn't it? If you buy a metal pin badge poppy this year and wear it each subsequent year, is that wrong? I don't think so, do you?

    Interesting point. Certainly to help the charity but do I need a poppy or badge to remember. I always wear one so maybe I do.

    Would I remember less or with less reverence if I didn't wear a poppy? No, I don't think so so why do I need to wear it?

    To give a trivial comparison I often wear a Charlton badge to games but not always. Do I support Charlton less or more depending on if I wear that badge? I would say no.

    maybe wearing a poppy is also about showing others that you remember and showing others that you remember and care. It is an act of collective remembrance and perhaps more powerful for that.
    i think that sums it up quite well for me.

  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035
    cafcdave123 said:

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    Henry Irving said:

    church-lane said:

    Just reading the article in the post by Fishy above, reminded me of the discussion my wife and I were having the other day. Charlene White says that she doesn't wear a poppy on screen because she doesn't want to advertise one charity above any others she supports, which I understand. The discussion that my wife and i were having centred around the fact that although I choose to buy a poppy each year (usually more than one), I don't do it to support the charity, I do it to show that I remember and am grateful for the sacrifice of those who paid the ultimate price. Wifey insists that we should buy a poppy each year to support the charity. Now, I'm sure most of us who buy poppies to do both of these things, but surely the most important is the act of remembrance and not the charity isn't it? If you buy a metal pin badge poppy this year and wear it each subsequent year, is that wrong? I don't think so, do you?

    Interesting point. Certainly to help the charity but do I need a poppy or badge to remember. I always wear one so maybe I do.

    Would I remember less or with less reverence if I didn't wear a poppy? No, I don't think so so why do I need to wear it?

    To give a trivial comparison I often wear a Charlton badge to games but not always. Do I support Charlton less or more depending on if I wear that badge? I would say no.

    maybe wearing a poppy is also about showing others that you remember and showing others that you remember and care. It is an act of collective remembrance and perhaps more powerful for that.
    i think that sums it up quite well for me.

    Agreed, it's as much about collective remembrance (and thanks).
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620
    It's all about freedom of choice whether to wear one or not. The fact that we have that freedom today is because of the sacrifice of so many.

  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    SELR_addicks said:

    Looks like the media were wrong: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/coyle-embarrassed-by-claims-over-injured-james-mcclean-1.1590208

    But it is true that last year for Sunderland he asked not to wear one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2231071/James-McClean-refuses-wear-poppy.html

    He has done it again for tonight, Is it all Irish people or only a certain few for instance will Henderson be wearing one

    http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/14-11-07-statement-regarding-james-mcclean-2070059.aspx
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Disagree with his decision and his reasoning but defend his right to wear or not wear a poppy.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    paulie8290 said:

    Is it all Irish people or only a certain few for instance will Henderson be wearing one


    Different Irish people will make different choices.

    No idea on Henderson but he and every other player should IMHO wear the poppy because they want to not because they feel they have to.

  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    edited November 2014
    Walked past the Tower of London today - absolutely staggering feeling as you realise each one of the 888,246 poppies represents one of the fallen.

    [edited out of respect for each and every one of the fallen]
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited November 2014
    seriously_red said:

    Walked past the Tower of London today - absolutely staggering feeling as you realise each one of the 850,000 poppies represents one of the fallen.

    Wished I could of bought 1 but was to late
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,255
    This may seem flippant in view of what the poppies represent but what has happened to the ravens that normally frequent the moat. I thought if they disappeared the Crown was supposed to fall & Britain with it ?
  • stilladdicted
    stilladdicted Posts: 4,307
    There are meant to be six but a fox ate a couple as the Ravens have their wings clipped to ensure they don't fly away. I would assume that they are safely housed elsewhere.
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  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    Went to Bluewater today and there was a very good stall selling not only poppies but a range of poppyesque merchandise appealing to a wider range of people all bearing the poppy itself.

    I always get one but don't always wear the right clothes to wear one so all the time was v pleased to get a lapel badge
  • The_Organiser
    The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
    edited November 2014
    No prize for guessing what club.

  • northstandsteve
    northstandsteve Posts: 14,329
    Wot a bunch of walkers I hate that club with a passion and this just adds to the hatred.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Scum absolutely scum club
  • sralan
    sralan Posts: 2,031
    Agree, but on a slightly different note, did anyone see Joss Stone's rendition of " The Green Fields of France" last night on the BBC's Remembrance night ? Sorry but for me it just didn't work and to take a lament and turn it in to a Gospel song was pretty horrific and not a patch on the Furey's version.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,752
    edited November 2014
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  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,752
    I myself believe that the Poppy should only be used as a mark of rememberance for those who died in the two World Wars. That is how I always remember it being. I do not agree that it should be used for all conflicts. I am not a supporter of 'all conflicts.'
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Murrays got a poppy on his shirt today that he's wearing for the tennis at the O2 the Scottish twat nice British bloke
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    The Organiser said:

    No prize for guessing what club.

    Pure scum. Really baffles me how any one can have them as their scottish team when this sort of is a relatively common occurence.

  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,599
    Croydon said:

    The Organiser said:

    No prize for guessing what club.

    Pure scum. Really baffles me how any one can have them as their scottish team when this sort of is a relatively common occurence.

    Baffles me why anyone can support/adopt a Scottish team full stop (Unless you live there)
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  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    jimmymelrose said:

    I myself believe that the Poppy should only be used as a mark of rememberance for those who died in the two World Wars. That is how I always remember it being. I do not agree that it should be used for all conflicts. I am not a supporter of 'all conflicts.'

    Its NOT to show your support of conflicts!

    Its to show your support of all those Armed Forces personnel who served their country.

    The poppy was chosen as much for Napoleonic War association as WW1.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Is that an old photo or was that this weekend?
  • red_murph
    red_murph Posts: 2,460
    Uboat said:

    Is that an old photo or was that this weekend?

    Would like to know the answer to that as well.

  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    I'm sure there are soldiers who do not necessarily agree with all the conflicts but they still put their lives on the line and we should be exceptionally grateful.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    image

    I took this from the Shard just before 11.00 am today
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    That Celtic picture is from 2010.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035
    edited November 2014
    red_murph said:

    Uboat said:

    Is that an old photo or was that this weekend?

    Would like to know the answer to that as well.

    As AKFA says it's a pretty old picture, Celtic were playing away to Aberdeen this weekend. They still chose not to wear a poppy on their shirt (are they the only team in the upper leagues in Britain to not wear a poppy ?) and "some" of their fans booed during the minutes remembrance.

    Celtic FC made a £10,000 donation to the Poppy appeal last week, if I'm being hugely cynical I would say it was to mitigate the bad press they knew they would get.

    On a slightly different subject, I'm watching the NFL on Sky now and Dallas and Jacksonville are both wearing poppies on their jerseys, a nice touch.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    cafcnick1992 said:

    I'm sure there are soldiers who do not necessarily agree with all the conflicts but they still put their lives on the line and we should be exceptionally grateful.

    Damn right, especially this century, make no mistake about that.
  • red_murph
    red_murph Posts: 2,460
    AFKABartram said:

    That Celtic picture is from 2010.

    I'm glad you put that up AFKA. Even if they still do that, some people seem to have other agenda's which I can't abide by.

    I went to my first remembrance parade today. Something I'll never ever forget.
  • The_Organiser
    The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
    Why does it matter when it was taken? It's a thread about poppies and remembrance and their continued disrespect as a club and support is relevant for the topic discussion

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