Evans back at SUFC (agreed terms with Oldham p.25)
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Reading that, Sheffield United are trying to come across as victims. At the time of his arrest, I'm sure the club had a pretty good idea of the facts of what happened, yet continued to allow him to represent them on the pitch. After his conviction, the club seemed to stand by him and ummed & arred, not knowing what to do, as their biggest asset (on the playing staff) became worthless overnight and seemed reluctant to sack him. Now upon his release, they take him back into the fold, hoping "this nonsense" will all blow over soon.Greenie Junior said:
Despite onlookers showing disgust regarding their actions, they're now trying to paint themselves as the real victims in all this. Fucking shameless & classless club..............
*Hope I haven't mis-read this and ranted for nothing, as I'm a little pissed right now. Alcohol & forums are seldom a good mix........
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Did they cancel his contract when he got sent down ?tangoflash said:
Reading that, Sheffield United are trying to come across as victims. At the time of his arrest, I'm sure the club had a pretty good idea of the facts of what happened, yet continued to allow him to represent them on the pitch. After his conviction, the club seemed to stand by him and ummed & arred, not knowing what to do, as their biggest asset (on the playing staff) became worthless overnight and seemed reluctant to sack him. Now upon his release, they take him back into the fold, hoping "this nonsense" will all blow over soon.Greenie Junior said:
Despite onlookers showing disgust regarding their actions, they're now trying to paint themselves as the real victims in all this. Fucking shameless & classless club..............
*Hope I haven't mis-read this and ranted for nothing, as I'm a little pissed right now. Alcohol & forums are seldom a good mix........0 -
I think you did misread that. It's referring to the tweet that Jessica Ennis received threatening to rape her as a result of her stand against Evans, and no doubt Charlie Webster and others have had similar nastiness coming their way as a result of theirs. It does sound as if they're horrified to be in the middle of such a shitstorm, but to their credit they're stating their support for people to feel angry about the decision to allow Evans to train.tangoflash said:
Reading that, Sheffield United are trying to come across as victims. At the time of his arrest, I'm sure the club had a pretty good idea of the facts of what happened, yet continued to allow him to represent them on the pitch. After his conviction, the club seemed to stand by him and ummed & arred, not knowing what to do, as their biggest asset (on the playing staff) became worthless overnight and seemed reluctant to sack him. Now upon his release, they take him back into the fold, hoping "this nonsense" will all blow over soon.Greenie Junior said:
Despite onlookers showing disgust regarding their actions, they're now trying to paint themselves as the real victims in all this. Fucking shameless & classless club..............
*Hope I haven't mis-read this and ranted for nothing, as I'm a little pissed right now. Alcohol & forums are seldom a good mix........
That said, they do seem to be trying to place responsibility for the decision at the door of the PFA - they didn't have to accede.2 -
But miss Webster lost all credibility when she tweeted how happy she was to meet tyson0
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Innocent till proven guilty.tangoflash said:
Reading that, Sheffield United are trying to come across as victims. At the time of his arrest, I'm sure the club had a pretty good idea of the facts of what happened, yet continued to allow him to represent them on the pitch. After his conviction, the club seemed to stand by him and ummed & arred, not knowing what to do, as their biggest asset (on the playing staff) became worthless overnight and seemed reluctant to sack him. Now upon his release, they take him back into the fold, hoping "this nonsense" will all blow over soon.Greenie Junior said:
Despite onlookers showing disgust regarding their actions, they're now trying to paint themselves as the real victims in all this. Fucking shameless & classless club..............
*Hope I haven't mis-read this and ranted for nothing, as I'm a little pissed right now. Alcohol & forums are seldom a good mix........0 -
Greenie did mention in an earlier post that Jessica Ennis had tweeted about meeting Tyson, which I challenged him on. I have not seen the tweet but there are pictures of Ennis smiling happily with Tyson at a function.nth london addick said:But miss Webster lost all credibility when she tweeted how happy she was to meet tyson
I think that both Ennis and Webster made a mistake with Tyson, and Webster has subsequently held her hands up to this. I don't feel either of them have lost all credibility. The points that both have made continue to be relevant and strong.1 -
"Anyone who is found to be involved in such practice will be banned for life from Bramall Lane."
That could be interesting if one of those Twitter acounts turns out to belong to Evans.0 -
So stupid - The club say this: "Regarding the personal tirade against individuals, the Club will work with both South Yorkshire Police and any other supportive body to help identify the instigators. This will include abuse through social media messaging and chanting at grounds.
Anyone who is found to be involved in such practice will be banned for life from Bramall Lane."
But presumably see no irony in someone being banned from their ground FOR LIFE for saying something obnoxious while another might be allowed to play there after doing something obnoxious
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My thoughts exactly.cafcfan said:So stupid - The club say this: "Regarding the personal tirade against individuals, the Club will work with both South Yorkshire Police and any other supportive body to help identify the instigators. This will include abuse through social media messaging and chanting at grounds.
Anyone who is found to be involved in such practice will be banned for life from Bramall Lane."
But presumably see no irony in someone being banned from their ground FOR LIFE for saying something obnoxious while another might be allowed to play there after doing something obnoxious2 -
From SUFC statement:
"They ( high profile people with connections to SUFC) should not be vilified as a consequence of them having to make public their views following a social media campaign that pursued them and urged them to disassociate themselves with the club."
That tells you where SUFC stand: it's wrong to "vilify" (in SUFC speak that means "wish rape upon") but they wouldn't have been forced into exposing themselves to this vilification but for a social media campaign objecting to the clubs actions.
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If Ched Evans returns to Sheffield Utd, there will be Sheffield Utd fans who will not turn up at the ground. I would be really surprised if Sheffield Utd resign Evans. It will be shame on their club if it happens. The whole thing is making Sheffield Wednesday look good.cafcfan said:So stupid - The club say this: "Regarding the personal tirade against individuals, the Club will work with both South Yorkshire Police and any other supportive body to help identify the instigators. This will include abuse through social media messaging and chanting at grounds.
Anyone who is found to be involved in such practice will be banned for life from Bramall Lane."
But presumably see no irony in someone being banned from their ground FOR LIFE for saying something obnoxious while another might be allowed to play there after doing something obnoxious1 -
Sorry didn't see the response to that, looks like I may have got confused between ennis and Webster. Even so, the point I was making still stands that some of it seems a bit like jumping on the band wagon.Kap10 said:
Greenie did mention in an earlier post that Jessica Ennis had tweeted about meeting Tyson, which I challenged him on. I have not seen the tweet but there are pictures of Ennis smiling happily with Tyson at a function.nth london addick said:But miss Webster lost all credibility when she tweeted how happy she was to meet tyson
I think that both Ennis and Webster made a mistake with Tyson, and Webster has subsequently held her hands up to this. I don't feel either of them have lost all credibility. The points that both have made continue to be relevant and strong.
I still can't believe the amount of uproar this has caused but when child killer (which is a worse crime IMO) Luke McCormick was re-signed there wasn't even really a murmur.1 -
You're right that there was less comment on McCormick but there was comment here http://www.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/1647174#Comment_1647174 and it the media.Greenie Junior said:
Sorry didn't see the response to that, looks like I may have got confused between ennis and Webster. Even so, the point I was making still stands that some of it seems a bit like jumping on the band wagon.Kap10 said:
Greenie did mention in an earlier post that Jessica Ennis had tweeted about meeting Tyson, which I challenged him on. I have not seen the tweet but there are pictures of Ennis smiling happily with Tyson at a function.nth london addick said:But miss Webster lost all credibility when she tweeted how happy she was to meet tyson
I think that both Ennis and Webster made a mistake with Tyson, and Webster has subsequently held her hands up to this. I don't feel either of them have lost all credibility. The points that both have made continue to be relevant and strong.
I still can't believe the amount of uproar this has caused but when child killer (which is a worse crime IMO) Luke McCormick was re-signed there wasn't even really a murmur.
I think two of the key differences are that he started back in non-league before returning and has shown remorse.
His parents don't see it that way and I doubt I would either I was their parent but the two cases aren't identical. Some cases get more coverage than others in the media and that is not always logical I agree.0 -
Great article from Patrick Collins, I believe in every word.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2835988/Rapist-Evans-World-Cup-farce-Beautiful-Game-never-morally-repugnant-devastating-verdict-football-s-rotten-core-PATRICK-COLLINS.html
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The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans7 -
Well articulated, my thoughts entirely.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans0 -
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
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I think you need to read Grapevine49. It's all there.0
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Greenie Jnr,
The jury, who sat through the trial and heard all the evidence, did think he was guilty.
The appeal he made also failed.
There was sufficient evidence to prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
There are clear and very important differences between Donaldson's actions and those of Evans hence the two different verdicts from the same jury.5 -
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Agree with this 100 percent. If he is still found guilty after the appeal then there has to be a line drawn but something doesn't add up here.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
As a father, losing a child is the most horrendous thing I can imagine. Luke McCormack killed kids and there is no hiding from that or misinterpretation.
There is no equivalent to the 'was consent given or not' around this case. He killed the kids by being the driver of the car. End of.
In the Evans case, the girl walked into the hotel a short while before and even remembered to get her pizza from the car, walking on very high heels steadily back to the room.
NLA states Evans went with the intent of raping someone and it isn't belittling rape to say that as a statement, that's not clear cut. He went with the aim of having Sex with the girl. The issues arise around what happened once he got there. This is not a dirty old man jumping out of a bush and attacking a woman in the middle of the night (that case would match up to NLA's description).
That doesn't make a person innocent of a hideous crime but it adds another dimension to the equation. I can see people on here who would have classed him guilty if on the jury, based on the fact he was a rich footballer before even seeing the evidence.
And also people saying that he needs to show remorse to start the healing process. Actually if he was guilty I couldn't care less about the remorse - he can rot as far as I am concerned.
But he thinks he is innocent and is in the process of appealing so why would he show remorse?
I do think he shouldnt be training with any club until this appeal has reached a conclusion though.
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She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.0 -
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.2 -
DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Like I already said. Read Grapevine49. She was not capable of giving consent. It was therefore rape.
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She was seen in the company of the other guy earlier in the evening and went back to the hotel with him, hence why it was deemed she was able to give consent to him even if she didn't recall
Evans turned up hrs later had never met her and by then the hotel staff had concerns the girl was in no state to have any say in what was going to happen
If Ched evans just wanted sex he could've got it either with a girl he pulled whilst out or a brass
He never chose to do that
The video footage from his friends phones i woukdve thought didn't do evans no favours and probably proved this poor girl was ko from booze
The outcome of the mcormack incident is the worst outcome of the two crimes it has the worst consequences imaginable
Now I know that I have in the past done what LM done but got away with it, I haven't done it for prob six years and would never do it again
In know atleast 5 good pals who have done it and got away with it
I know one that blew over the limit the next morning on his way to work after 6 hrs kip and a breakfast
I know no one who is a rapist1 -
When did I say he broke a door down? Who's inventing stuff here.DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Evans had to lie to obtain a key to the room, I'd call that breaking in.0 -
I disagree about the profile of the rapist, Ched evans is a predator just because he didn't jump out of bush to do it
He chose to impose his power over her and control the situation
Rape is about control, power and the abuse
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How did she go from walking into the room to passing out stone cold? Were they drinking in the room?ShootersHillGuru said:DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Like I already said. Read Grapevine49. She was not capable of giving consent. It was therefore rape.
And is there a transcript and full record of the evidence because so many people are quoting what happened and I don't know where it is coming from.0 -
Transcript of Evans' unsuccessful appeal (setting out the facts of the case):DamoNorthStand said:
How did she go from walking into the room to passing out stone cold? Were they drinking in the room?ShootersHillGuru said:DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Like I already said. Read Grapevine49. She was not capable of giving consent. It was therefore rape.
And is there a transcript and full record of the evidence because so many people are quoting what happened and I don't know where it is coming from.
https://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf
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I am actually being serious when I say I would like to see a transcript of the evidence as I am interested to see this.Stu_of_Kunming said:
When did I say he broke a door down? Who's inventing stuff here.DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Evans had to lie to obtain a key to the room, I'd call that breaking in.
I wasnt aware he lied to get the key.
According to the link I have, Evans booked the hotel room!0 -
What have you been basing your opinions on? A copy of Snow White?DamoNorthStand said:
I am actually being serious when I say I would like to see a transcript of the evidence as I am interested to see this.Stu_of_Kunming said:
When did I say he broke a door down? Who's inventing stuff here.DamoNorthStand said:
What part of the evidence said he broke the door down / broke in? The people on this site from both sides of the argument making up their own evidence is laughable here.Stu_of_Kunming said:
She went to the room with the other bloke, Ched had to break in.Greenie Junior said:
I understand what you're saying and agree with it but in his mind, he done nothing wrong.nth london addick said:The difference between mcormack and evans is huge, the death of two kids is the worse ending result of an action that could ever happen
Luke mcormack made a decision to drink then drive, and kids died
In would want to kill him with my bare hands
But greenie Jr if you imagine that your son made an error of judgement with regards drink driving
Would you forgive him even if the result ended the same way
It was an error of judgement
Now raping someone is not an error of judgement, it's not a mistake it's a calculated decision a choice
Now I reckon there is every chance that you or I could have found ourselves in luke mcormacks position but zero chance you or I could end up like Ched evans
What I don't understand is that, if I'm correct, her argument was that she was too drink to consent. How did she consent with the other guy then? IMO there's too many holes in the case to fully say he's guilty.
Why would his father in law defend him? There must be something that the public don't know.
Although I do think that if after the appeal he's still found guilty then he's scum and doesn't deserve anything good in life. There is just something telling me that he's not guilty.
Charlton Life has more wannabe Ally Mcbeals than the Old Bailey.
Evans had to lie to obtain a key to the room, I'd call that breaking in.
I wasnt aware he lied to get the key.
According to the link I have, Evans booked the hotel room!0
