Now as it happens I dont think he should be training with the club (or any club for that matter) whilst he is in the middle of an appeal / protestation of innocence etc.
But it is starting to look like a bit of PR bandwagon jumping - especially in this case. If he was that appalled by it, why didn't he do it straight away before the bandwagon was up and running.
Let's put aside (just for a second) what Ched has been convicted for and just think of things from a footballing perpective (just for a second). Say for example Sheffield United do give him a playing a contract again. The pressure on him as a Sheffield United player would be absolutely massive to reach the same heights and goal scoring ratio he had just prior to his conviction. Now obviously I hope that comment does't come back to bite me on the arse later this season.
Syed writes well but ignores the issue of remorse (or lack thereof in the case of Evans). Just as civilised societies should give second chances in most cases, the right to the second chance surely requires acknowledgement by the offender that what they did was repugnant.
It is clear Evans has been advised terribly - even if he didn't truly believe it, any PR expert would have told him to come straight out of jail and express how ashamed he was.
I presume the lack of remorse reflects his genuine belief that no crime was committed (I suspect he is too dumb to understand the specifics of the law but anyhow). In the meantime let him continue to weigh up his right to show a lack of remorse against the rights of community conscious football clubs not to employ him. The clock is ticking on his career.
Exactly so, NYA.
Part of rehabilitation is showing remorse; not the slightest sign of regret, apology or even empathy with the plight of the woman he raped has been shown and no recognition of the seriousness of his failings. Had there been suitable contrition, I suspect the reaction would be different. There is no evidence of his turning over a new leaf - he just seems to have viewed the time spent at Her Majesty's Pleasure as a brief hiatus in his footballing career.
The reason he has shown no remorse or empathy is because he considers himself innocent and has another appeal pending. Why is it so difficult for people to understand?
Or maybe he knows he is guilty but doesn't want to admit it to his bird and her family whom he may have to rely on if he doesn't get back into football. Or maybe he is guilty but doesn't want to admit it because he is just a twisted f***.
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
Matthew Syed is right. How can Evans be a role model? It's nonsense. It's up to parents to educate their own children - not to expect them to take examples from sportspeople. Most children get their examples from what they see and hear in their own lives, not from what is reported to have happened at 3am on a Saturday night somewhere. They get their examples from their parents, close relatives, school teachers, other children at school etc - people who they come into contact with. The only real example they get from professional footballers is what happens on the pitch. In that respect it can be argued that Suarez is a worse role model than Evans.
Even if a footballer can be perceived as a role model then surely he'd have to be a top level player. I wouldn't say to my sons if they were keen footballers to take their example from 3rd division players. I'd get them to watch top teams and explain to them what they're doing right or wrong. Who had even heard of Evans before this happened? How many other members of the Sheff Utd team could those that argue abour role models name?
I have JimmyMelrose as my name on here and I 'loved' him when I was 14/15 years old. If he'd have raped someone however, do you really think that it would have influenced my behaviour? I would more likely have been disappointed in him and rejected him.
My two boys play tennis and their role models are the coaches at their club. They couldn't even tell you who's won the Grand Slams this year. I think people over-estimate the influence of professional sportspeople. Children are not stupid.
I think role model is the wrong word. And I agree I don't think they will necessarily look up to him BUT they will sing his name, they will cheer his goals and glorify at his existence.
Whether he likes it or not, he is a role model as he is a footballer. There are thousands of people that chant his name at matches, and that makes him a role model. I'm not saying it is correct, but it is factual.
You now have thousands of teenagers chanting in support of a rapist as they want him playing for their team, which in turn will cloud their judgement on rape as a crime.
Matthew Syed is right. How can Evans be a role model? It's nonsense. It's up to parents to educate their own children - not to expect them to take examples from sportspeople. Most children get their examples from what they see and hear in their own lives, not from what is reported to have happened at 3am on a Saturday night somewhere. They get their examples from their parents, close relatives, school teachers, other children at school etc - people who they come into contact with. The only real example they get from professional footballers is what happens on the pitch. In that respect it can be argued that Suarez is a worse role model than Evans.
Even if a footballer can be perceived as a role model then surely he'd have to be a top level player. I wouldn't say to my sons if they were keen footballers to take their example from 3rd division players. I'd get them to watch top teams and explain to them what they're doing right or wrong. Who had even heard of Evans before this happened? How many other members of the Sheff Utd team could those that argue abour role models name?
I have JimmyMelrose as my name on here and I 'loved' him when I was 14/15 years old. If he'd have raped someone however, do you really think that it would have influenced my behaviour? I would more likely have been disappointed in him and rejected him.
My two boys play tennis and their role models are the coaches at their club. They couldn't even tell you who's won the Grand Slams this year. I think people over-estimate the influence of professional sportspeople. Children are not stupid.
I'm talking about keeping him away from young players, giving him the exact type of position you refer to in your post!
As for how many of their team had people heard of, quite a few I'd imagine as they had been our direct rivals all season, you shouldn't judge everyone by your standards, I can't imagine many other looking up a legal definition in a bloody dictionary!
Clearly pros do have influence over many, many people, if only there was some form of proof, some vile tweets sent to someone speaking out against this scum perhaps.
The only ones who will be supporting him are Sheffield United fans , conversely the rest of football fans, so 99%, hate his guts and will vilify him ..... So yes , to a few thick northern sheffield United fans (minimum) he may be a role model and clearly it shouldn't be any But would anyone have considered Harry Roberts a role model because his name was chanted by a lot more football fans across the country
I think role model is the wrong word. And I agree I don't think they will necessarily look up to him BUT they will sing his name, they will cheer his goals and glorify at his existence.
They will be influenced by his actions and views towards - in this case - women. Role models may not be the right word, possibly role influencers.
I think on the whole we've had a good run with this thread. Given the sensitivity and uniqueness, very uneasy covering such subjects but this was just too current and impacting to completely avoid. I thank those who have contributed and not crossed the line enough to keep it running.
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Heaton/The Beautiful South have released a new album recently, so got to get some publicity from somewhere.
That's a poor way of looking at it
in fact its the Sheffield united way off looking at it, saying he is only doing it for publicity, I believe if you look it up he is touring up and down the country and is selling out every time, I doubt he needs the publicity and he probably just does not want to be associated with the club anymore. I am sure plenty of people myself included would of done the same thing in his position.
I don't understand comments like that, its like you are intently trying to stir it by saying he is only doing it for publicity
Heaton/The Beautiful South have released a new album recently, so got to get some publicity from somewhere.
That's a poor way of looking at it
in fact its the Sheffield united way off looking at it, saying he is only doing it for publicity, I believe if you look it up he is touring up and down the country and is selling out every time, I doubt he needs the publicity and he probably just does not want to be associated with the club anymore. I am sure plenty of people myself included would of done the same thing in his position.
I don't understand comments like that, its like you are intently trying to stir it by saying he is only doing it for publicity
He could have just resigned from the position without going public about it.
As for him "selling out every where he goes", I can't say I'm going to go and look it up on The Beautiful South forum - I'll leave that stuff to you mate!
It was tongue in cheek NLA - Of course I don't think he is morally wrong.
Still think that there seems to be a bit of a bandwagon effect with everyone jumping off the SUFC patron board in such quick succession.
Is it a bandwagon, or the resignation of Ennis and Webster making others re-evaluate their own position. If a patron thinks "Ennis is right" should they avoid following their lead because it may be interpreted as "jumping on the bandwagon" or should they act and take the risk of being accused of "jumping ..."
To be honest who knows what is going through their minds.
Final point, Sheff U have been stupid* in this, but lets not forget the, now quiet, Players Union and Gordon Taylors role in this. Sheff U must be cursing the day he called them.
*I am sure there are other stronger words that could be used.
It was tongue in cheek NLA - Of course I don't think he is morally wrong.
Still think that there seems to be a bit of a bandwagon effect with everyone jumping off the SUFC patron board in such quick succession.
Is it a bandwagon, or the resignation of Ennis and Webster making others re-evaluate their own position. If a patron thinks "Ennis is right" should they avoid following their lead because it may be interpreted as "jumping on the bandwagon" or should they act and take the risk of being accused of "jumping ..."
It was tongue in cheek NLA - Of course I don't think he is morally wrong.
Still think that there seems to be a bit of a bandwagon effect with everyone jumping off the SUFC patron board in such quick succession.
Is it a bandwagon, or the resignation of Ennis and Webster making others re-evaluate their own position. If a patron thinks "Ennis is right" should they avoid following their lead because it may be interpreted as "jumping on the bandwagon" or should they act and take the risk of being accused of "jumping ..."
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
It's exactly the attitude I would have if it was Charlton involved in this. It should be a moral argument rather than a legal one. I think he should be legally allowed to continue to play football, the argument should be whether a club would want to employ him. He should be allowed to play but I wouldn't want Charlton to employ him. I think it's a perfectly valid opinion to have on the matter.
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But it is starting to look like a bit of PR bandwagon jumping - especially in this case. If he was that appalled by it, why didn't he do it straight away before the bandwagon was up and running.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-30087979
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
Matthew Syed is right. How can Evans be a role model? It's nonsense. It's up to parents to educate their own children - not to expect them to take examples from sportspeople. Most children get their examples from what they see and hear in their own lives, not from what is reported to have happened at 3am on a Saturday night somewhere. They get their examples from their parents, close relatives, school teachers, other children at school etc - people who they come into contact with. The only real example they get from professional footballers is what happens on the pitch. In that respect it can be argued that Suarez is a worse role model than Evans.
Even if a footballer can be perceived as a role model then surely he'd have to be a top level player. I wouldn't say to my sons if they were keen footballers to take their example from 3rd division players. I'd get them to watch top teams and explain to them what they're doing right or wrong. Who had even heard of Evans before this happened? How many other members of the Sheff Utd team could those that argue abour role models name?
I have JimmyMelrose as my name on here and I 'loved' him when I was 14/15 years old. If he'd have raped someone however, do you really think that it would have influenced my behaviour? I would more likely have been disappointed in him and rejected him.
My two boys play tennis and their role models are the coaches at their club. They couldn't even tell you who's won the Grand Slams this year. I think people over-estimate the influence of professional sportspeople. Children are not stupid.
You now have thousands of teenagers chanting in support of a rapist as they want him playing for their team, which in turn will cloud their judgement on rape as a crime.
As for how many of their team had people heard of, quite a few I'd imagine as they had been our direct rivals all season, you shouldn't judge everyone by your standards, I can't imagine many other looking up a legal definition in a bloody dictionary!
Clearly pros do have influence over many, many people, if only there was some form of proof, some vile tweets sent to someone speaking out against this scum perhaps.
So yes , to a few thick northern sheffield United fans (minimum) he may be a role model and clearly it shouldn't be any
But would anyone have considered Harry Roberts a role model because his name was chanted by a lot more football fans across the country
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in fact its the Sheffield united way off looking at it, saying he is only doing it for publicity, I believe if you look it up he is touring up and down the country and is selling out every time, I doubt he needs the publicity and he probably just does not want to be associated with the club anymore. I am sure plenty of people myself included would of done the same thing in his position.
I don't understand comments like that, its like you are intently trying to stir it by saying he is only doing it for publicity
As for him "selling out every where he goes", I can't say I'm going to go and look it up on The Beautiful South forum - I'll leave that stuff to you mate!
Is quite remarkable
Still think that there seems to be a bit of a bandwagon effect with everyone jumping off the SUFC patron board in such quick succession.
To be honest who knows what is going through their minds.
Final point, Sheff U have been stupid* in this, but lets not forget the, now quiet, Players Union and Gordon Taylors role in this. Sheff U must be cursing the day he called them.
*I am sure there are other stronger words that could be used.