I wonder what Nigel Clough, as a decent family man from a strong family background, really thinks about all this and whether he has thought about his own position.
Has Evans been forced on him or is he happy to have him around the squad I wonder?
As far as I'm aware, he hasn't even trained with them yet.
Personally I'm amazed that he is even considering putting himself and his family in the spotlight by wanting to go back into Football. The sort of abuse he is inviting on himself and his loved ones will be worse than being inside.
Heaton/The Beautiful South have released a new album recently, so got to get some publicity from somewhere.
Apologies, but that's an ignorant post as The Beautiful South split in 2007 !
Paul Heaton did reunite with The Beautiful South's second female singer Jacqui Abbott in 2013, to record new material. Heaton & Abbott released an album on the 12th May, 6 months ago !
Surely as a Beautiful South fan you would know that Paul is one of the least publicity seeking celebrities out there. He doesn't need the publicity but maybe felt that the reason for his decision did.
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
It's exactly the attitude I would have if it was Charlton involved in this. It should be a moral argument rather than a legal one. I think he should be legally allowed to continue to play football, the argument should be whether a club would want to employ him. He should be allowed to play but I wouldn't want Charlton to employ him. I think it's a perfectly valid opinion to have on the matter.
So your opinion, as it's not Charlton, is that it's ok for him to play for Sheff U?
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
It's exactly the attitude I would have if it was Charlton involved in this. It should be a moral argument rather than a legal one. I think he should be legally allowed to continue to play football, the argument should be whether a club would want to employ him. He should be allowed to play but I wouldn't want Charlton to employ him. I think it's a perfectly valid opinion to have on the matter.
There are lots of jobs you can't do by law if you've been convicted of certain offences. Professional footballer should possibly be one of them.
'Role Model' I'm talking about keeping him away from young players, giving him the exact type of position you refer to in your post!
As for how many of their team had people heard of, quite a few I'd imagine as they had been our direct rivals all season, you shouldn't judge everyone by your standards, I can't imagine many other looking up a legal definition in a bloody dictionary!
Clearly pros do have influence over many, many people, if only there was some form of proof, some vile tweets sent to someone speaking out against this scum perhaps.
How can they have been our 'direct rivals' all season. We haven't been in the same division as them for 3 years. Besides, I wasn't necessarily referring to Charlton fans; I was thinking more of those in the media.
It wasn't a legal definition. It was a dictionary definition, and what's wrong with that? Aren't you judging me by your standards? Come to mention it, any judgement is made by one's own standards, isn't it? How can you judge someone using someone's else's standards?
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
It's exactly the attitude I would have if it was Charlton involved in this. It should be a moral argument rather than a legal one. I think he should be legally allowed to continue to play football, the argument should be whether a club would want to employ him. He should be allowed to play but I wouldn't want Charlton to employ him. I think it's a perfectly valid opinion to have on the matter.
There are lots of jobs you can't do by law if you've been convicted of certain offences. Professional footballer should possibly be one of them.
It can only be more serious offiences like rape if anone is to make regulaions over it. Say if Ched Evans had got his girlfriend to take speeding points on her licence when it was him driving and he had gone to prison for it like Chris Hune, nobody can say Sheffield can't re-sign him.
Heaton says he firmly believes in Evans' right to rebuild his career in football. Just not his right to do it at Sheff U, a club of which Heaton is apparently some sort of patron.
So what is Heaton then? A hypocrite or a NIMBY?
It's exactly the attitude I would have if it was Charlton involved in this. It should be a moral argument rather than a legal one. I think he should be legally allowed to continue to play football, the argument should be whether a club would want to employ him. He should be allowed to play but I wouldn't want Charlton to employ him. I think it's a perfectly valid opinion to have on the matter.
So your opinion, as it's not Charlton, is that it's ok for him to play for Sheff U?
Not really although I could see it would be twisted that way by anyone who is against the opinion I have.
My point is, it should be a moral issue i.e. would a club want to employ him given his past actions rather than a legal issue i.e. it is not allowed to offer a contract to a convicted rapist. Therefore my view is perfectly valid, if Charlton were in Sheff Utd's position, I wouldn't want laws restricting the club from signing him but I'd hope our morals were high enough that we would choose not to.
Just thought I would add this from the Evening Standard. This is relation to people not losing their jobs in addition to serving sentences.
A computer games expert installed a hidden camera in his female flatmate’s bedroom wall and filmed her as she wandered about in her underwear, the Standard can reveal today.
Games designer Christophe Monnerot secretly drilled a hole in the wall between their rooms in a shared house in Peckham and fitted a camera to spy on the unsuspecting victim “walking around topless”, Camberwell Green magistrates heard.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, only realised she was being watched when she saw the camera’s recording light.
Monnerot was arrested and later admitted voyeurism.
He was ordered to do 180 hours community service and placed on the sex offenders’ register.
Prosecutor Edward Aydin told magistrates in Camberwell: “She realised it was a camera light and she just froze.
“She went to her neighbour, her friend Monnerot. They tried to pull it and it fell between the cavity in the wall.
“She thought it had been the electrician who had attended the day before.”
When police arrived June 19 and recovered the camera, they were able to follow its cable into Monnerot’s room.
“The victim was distressed - she was shocked,” said Mr Aydin.
Police seized Monnerot’s computer and discovered a number of videos of the woman on his hard drive. “One video taken showed the victim taking her clothes off and walking around topless in her room,” said Mr Aydin.
The 41-year-old Frenchman, who worked for app developers Future Games Of London, admitted a single charge of voyeurism – recording another person doing a private act for the purpose of “obtaining sexual gratification”.He was fined £395 and told to complete 180 hours of community service at his sentencing hearing on November 6.
He will also be placed on the sex offenders’ register for the next five years.
The court heard that Monnerot has since moved out of the Peckham address and now lives in Farringdon, near to the Future Games of London offices.
The company is part of the French Ubisoft group, known for developing games for acclaimed video game franchises including Assassin’s Creed and Prince of Persia.
Future Games of London managing director Ian Harper today confirmed Mr Monnerot no longer works for the company after his conviction came to light.
Speaking at the door of his flat in Myddelton Street, Islington, last night, Mr Monnerot declined to explain his actions or apologise to his victim before slamming the door.
He said: “I have just lost my job today, it is not good. I do not want to make a comment because I need to speak to my probation agent.”
Best decision, if he don't get the chance to appeal then the guy will be playing conference football and then we will see how many of his hangers on are still around
I was reading about this on facebook and loads of people applauding Sheffield United for this, as if they'd done something amazing, rather than simply retracting something that was a stupid idea in the first place.
I feel nothing but contempt for the club over the way they have dealt throughout the whole sorry mess........................
"The Club condemns rape and violence of any kind against women in the strongest possible terms."
About time.
They used the word "women". The should have said against any person. Not just women.
But another quote that intreuged me was "Some of their supporters will be disappointed by the decision" So that just shows how devided their fans are over this matter.
Thinking about it Ched Evans is pretty much the first professional footballer in top 4 divisons of English football to be 'convicted' of 'rape' and as it's such a unique case thats whats deviding opinion so much. Whether it he's served his time he deserved his old job back or it's so serious being a footballer is so previledged he's abused he should be banned for life. It's once of those topics that will be discussed for years as it was the first case of its kind.
The problem with them allowing him to train is I am now wondering if they have rejected him on moral grounds or because after a couple of years in jail he just isn't anywhere near as good, so they've let him go...
"The Club condemns rape and violence of any kind against women in the strongest possible terms."
About time.
They used the word "women". The should have said against any person. Not just women.
But another quote that intreuged me was "Some of their supporters will be disappointed by the decision" So that just shows how devided their fans are over this matter.
Thinking about it Ched Evans is pretty much the first professional footballer in top 4 divisons of English football to be 'convicted' of 'rape' and as it's such a unique case thats whats deviding opinion so much. Whether it he's served his time he deserved his old job back or it's so serious being a footballer is so previledged he's abused he should be banned for life. It's once of those topics that will be discussed for years as it was the first case of its kind.
The problem with them allowing him to train is I am now wondering if they have rejected him on moral grounds or because after a couple of years in jail he just isn't anywhere near as good, so they've let him go...
I wonder...
He never started the training, so it was just down to the reaction from sponsors etc.
The problem with them allowing him to train is I am now wondering if they have rejected him on moral grounds or because after a couple of years in jail he just isn't anywhere near as good, so they've let him go...
I wonder...
He never started the training, so it was just down to the reaction from sponsors etc.
Oh really? Thanks for clearing that up I was under the impression he had been training with them already.
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Has Evans been forced on him or is he happy to have him around the squad I wonder?
Personally I'm amazed that he is even considering putting himself and his family in the spotlight by wanting to go back into Football. The sort of abuse he is inviting on himself and his loved ones will be worse than being inside.
Paul Heaton did reunite with The Beautiful South's second female singer Jacqui Abbott in 2013, to record new material. Heaton & Abbott released an album on the 12th May, 6 months ago !
He doesn't need the publicity but maybe felt that the reason for his decision did.
It wasn't a legal definition. It was a dictionary definition, and what's wrong with that? Aren't you judging me by your standards? Come to mention it, any judgement is made by one's own standards, isn't it? How can you judge someone using someone's else's standards?
My point is, it should be a moral issue i.e. would a club want to employ him given his past actions rather than a legal issue i.e. it is not allowed to offer a contract to a convicted rapist. Therefore my view is perfectly valid, if Charlton were in Sheff Utd's position, I wouldn't want laws restricting the club from signing him but I'd hope our morals were high enough that we would choose not to.
A computer games expert installed a hidden camera in his female flatmate’s bedroom wall and filmed her as she wandered about in her underwear, the Standard can reveal today.
Games designer Christophe Monnerot secretly drilled a hole in the wall between their rooms in a shared house in Peckham and fitted a camera to spy on the unsuspecting victim “walking around topless”, Camberwell Green magistrates heard.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, only realised she was being watched when she saw the camera’s recording light.
Monnerot was arrested and later admitted voyeurism.
He was ordered to do 180 hours community service and placed on the sex offenders’ register.
Prosecutor Edward Aydin told magistrates in Camberwell: “She realised it was a camera light and she just froze.
“She went to her neighbour, her friend Monnerot. They tried to pull it and it fell between the cavity in the wall.
“She thought it had been the electrician who had attended the day before.”
When police arrived June 19 and recovered the camera, they were able to follow its cable into Monnerot’s room.
“The victim was distressed - she was shocked,” said Mr Aydin.
Police seized Monnerot’s computer and discovered a number of videos of the woman on his hard drive. “One video taken showed the victim taking her clothes off and walking around topless in her room,” said Mr Aydin.
The 41-year-old Frenchman, who worked for app developers Future Games Of London, admitted a single charge of voyeurism – recording another person doing a private act for the purpose of “obtaining sexual gratification”.He was fined £395 and told to complete 180 hours of community service at his sentencing hearing on November 6.
He will also be placed on the sex offenders’ register for the next five years.
The court heard that Monnerot has since moved out of the Peckham address and now lives in Farringdon, near to the Future Games of London offices.
The company is part of the French Ubisoft group, known for developing games for acclaimed video game franchises including Assassin’s Creed and Prince of Persia.
Future Games of London managing director Ian Harper today confirmed Mr Monnerot no longer works for the company after his conviction came to light.
Speaking at the door of his flat in Myddelton Street, Islington, last night, Mr Monnerot declined to explain his actions or apologise to his victim before slamming the door.
He said: “I have just lost my job today, it is not good. I do not want to make a comment because I need to speak to my probation agent.”
http://mobile.sufc.co.uk/news/article/sheffield-united-ched-evans-2094632.aspx
"The reaction to this has been at an intensity that could not have been anticipated when first announced."
I feel nothing but contempt for the club over the way they have dealt throughout the whole sorry mess........................
About time.
But another quote that intreuged me was "Some of their supporters will be disappointed by the decision" So that just shows how devided their fans are over this matter.
Thinking about it Ched Evans is pretty much the first professional footballer in top 4 divisons of English football to be 'convicted' of 'rape' and as it's such a unique case thats whats deviding opinion so much. Whether it he's served his time he deserved his old job back or it's so serious being a footballer is so previledged he's abused he should be banned for life. It's once of those topics that will be discussed for years as it was the first case of its kind.
I wonder...
Just a shame it took them so long to come to this conclusion....
If only their manager, Clough Jnr., had grown a spine and said "over my dead body" in the first place.
I suppose that makes it a bit better