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***Francis Coquelin - pg11 - returned to Arsenal?***

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  • scabbyhorse
    scabbyhorse Posts: 2,546
    Henry Irving said:

    A dilemma

    Looked much more comfortable as the 1 sitting in the 4-1-4-1 after Buyens went off and Cousins looked for comfortable when he moved inside.

    But until his injury Buyens had looked good using the space he was given in that role.


    Coquelin is only on a short term loan so hard to build a team around him but he was very good.



    Is there a small chance though we could get him for the season? Anyone in the know?
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    scabbyhorse said:

    Henry Irving said:

    A dilemma

    Looked much more comfortable as the 1 sitting in the 4-1-4-1 after Buyens went off and Cousins looked for comfortable when he moved inside.

    But until his injury Buyens had looked good using the space he was given in that role.


    Coquelin is only on a short term loan so hard to build a team around him but he was very good.



    Is there a small chance though we could get him for the season? Anyone in the know?
    No this type of loan can't be extended into a season long one.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,034
    edited November 2014
    Talal said:

    scabbyhorse said:

    Henry Irving said:

    A dilemma

    Looked much more comfortable as the 1 sitting in the 4-1-4-1 after Buyens went off and Cousins looked for comfortable when he moved inside.

    But until his injury Buyens had looked good using the space he was given in that role.


    Coquelin is only on a short term loan so hard to build a team around him but he was very good.



    Is there a small chance though we could get him for the season? Anyone in the know?
    No this type of loan can't be extended into a season long one.

    But we can extend it to the window and then sign him on a season long loan with no breaks.

  • LeaburnForEngland
    LeaburnForEngland Posts: 2,291
    edited November 2014
    Hopefully as we're passing the ball around this year, and he can remain in London, unless Wenger has any first team plans for him and wages are agreeable then getting him till the end of the season will be achievable. While he's getting game time and we're competing in the top half I think it makes sense for all parties.

    This may be wishful thinking on my part ...!
  • markmc68
    markmc68 Posts: 1,593
    Yes please sign him up.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    Richard J said:

    Talal said:

    scabbyhorse said:

    Henry Irving said:

    A dilemma

    Looked much more comfortable as the 1 sitting in the 4-1-4-1 after Buyens went off and Cousins looked for comfortable when he moved inside.

    But until his injury Buyens had looked good using the space he was given in that role.


    Coquelin is only on a short term loan so hard to build a team around him but he was very good.



    Is there a small chance though we could get him for the season? Anyone in the know?
    No this type of loan can't be extended into a season long one.

    But we can extend it to the window and then sign him on a season long loan with no breaks.

    I'm not sure about that as he was signed in the emergency loan window. If he was signed in the summer on a 6 month loan then yes but I've a feeling we can only sign him permanently in Jan but I could be wrong.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,166
    Talal said:

    Richard J said:

    Talal said:

    scabbyhorse said:

    Henry Irving said:

    A dilemma

    Looked much more comfortable as the 1 sitting in the 4-1-4-1 after Buyens went off and Cousins looked for comfortable when he moved inside.

    But until his injury Buyens had looked good using the space he was given in that role.


    Coquelin is only on a short term loan so hard to build a team around him but he was very good.



    Is there a small chance though we could get him for the season? Anyone in the know?
    No this type of loan can't be extended into a season long one.

    But we can extend it to the window and then sign him on a season long loan with no breaks.

    I'm not sure about that as he was signed in the emergency loan window. If he was signed in the summer on a 6 month loan then yes but I've a feeling we can only sign him permanently in Jan but I could be wrong.
    I think that's right. Similar to Cameron Stewart last season.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,674
    edited November 2014
    I thought he played well , overhit the odd pass , although he might claim the other players weren't on the same wavelength, i remember seeing Rasiek and Frimpong pull on the Charlton shirt for the first time and doing quite well , so i'm going to reserve judgement until they can play like that every game, or at least a few more.
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    Buyens, Gudmundsson and Vetokele are the quality signings in the front six and we have looked weaker when one or more has been out injured or suspended.
    Extending Coquelin loan is a must to get us through to the window.
    I've not seen enough of Bulot to make a call but when you add these players to Jackson, Wilson Harriott and Cousins then it's obvious we just need another quality striker to make a difference - convert more draws into wins.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,390
    edited November 2014
    One week to go .. Arsenal's bad form makes it less likely that he will be allowed to sign a contract extension with us .. Let's hope that he doesn't figure in Wenger's short term team plans

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  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    I doubt Wenger would see Coquelin as the answer to Arsenal's problems, they had Flamini, Cazorla and Rosicky on the bench on sat, plus I think Diaby is back from injury for a couple of weeks.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,034
    Talal said:

    I doubt Wenger would see Coquelin as the answer to Arsenal's problems, they had Flamini, Cazorla and Rosicky on the bench on sat, plus I think Diaby is back from injury for a couple of weeks.

    Only to be ruled out for a further 8 months!
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    ValleyGary said:

    Talal said:

    I doubt Wenger would see Coquelin as the answer to Arsenal's problems, they had Flamini, Cazorla and Rosicky on the bench on sat, plus I think Diaby is back from injury for a couple of weeks.

    Only to be ruled out for a further 8 months!
    Quite
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,659
    I'm hoping that RD sees a fee for Coquelin as decent business because I definitely think he fits the buy and get a return ethos. What would he cost ? What are his wages ?
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,918
    hes class
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Yes, I find Cory Gibbs will play for Charlton before Diaby plays again for Arsenal!
  • sammy391
    sammy391 Posts: 3,799
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    I'm hoping that RD sees a fee for Coquelin as decent business because I definitely think he fits the buy and get a return ethos. What would he cost ? What are his wages ?

    I believe he is out of contract at Arsenal at the end of the season!
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,600
    Wonder what wages he would be on.
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,733
    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,659
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    I guess it will depend who his agent touts him around to and how much we can compete. Pity.


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  • jac52
    jac52 Posts: 636
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    I guess it will depend who his agent touts him around to and how much we can compete. Pity.

    If he is well settled in London we might be in with a shout as he'll certainly get offers from clubs in leagues that are above championship level.

    And maybe he'll get sold on the idea of being the main man at a club with desire to get back to the prem over the next couple of years. He is a much more established player than Frimpong so imagine his promising start isn't just a flash in the pan.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,659
    jac52 said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    I guess it will depend who his agent touts him around to and how much we can compete. Pity.

    If he is well settled in London we might be in with a shout as he'll certainly get offers from clubs in leagues that are above championship level.

    And maybe he'll get sold on the idea of being the main man at a club with desire to get back to the prem over the next couple of years. He is a much more established player than Frimpong so imagine his promising start isn't just a flash in the pan.
    I agree with what you say but I am not confident we will sign him on a permanent deal given his being out of contract in the summer ? It might suit him to extend his loan with us until then.

  • CrayAddick
    CrayAddick Posts: 3,913
    can someone put in a word? ;-)
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    jac52 said:

    ShootersHillGuru said:

    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Kap10 said:

    Wonder what wages he would be on.

    Google reckons he is on 716K a year (13.7K a week) not miles out of our price range I would say
    I guess it will depend who his agent touts him around to and how much we can compete. Pity.

    If he is well settled in London we might be in with a shout as he'll certainly get offers from clubs in leagues that are above championship level.

    And maybe he'll get sold on the idea of being the main man at a club with desire to get back to the prem over the next couple of years. He is a much more established player than Frimpong so imagine his promising start isn't just a flash in the pan.
    I agree with what you say but I am not confident we will sign him on a permanent deal given his being out of contract in the summer ? It might suit him to extend his loan with us until then.

    As I said before I don't think he can. Presumably he could sign on loan for a different club until the end of the season though.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274879/Football-League-loan-window-explained.html

    "In extenuating circumstances, the League can agree to extend the loan beyond 93 days but, normally, you can’t keep the same player for more than this period of time (i.e. a club can’t keep signing him on loan over and over again)."

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Talal said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274879/Football-League-loan-window-explained.html

    "In extenuating circumstances, the League can agree to extend the loan beyond 93 days but, normally, you can’t keep the same player for more than this period of time (i.e. a club can’t keep signing him on loan over and over again)."

    thats during the loan window, not the transfer window. We can sign him til the end of the season when the transfer window reopens
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    I'm still not sure on whether an 'emergency loan' can be extended in the January window to the end of the season, and therefore become a normal loan.

    Cameron Stewart has been mentioned as the rule but, if memory serves me right, Stewart had already playing for 2 clubs within the season (ie. Hull in the league cup & CAFC) so could only be signed by Leeds via 'emergency loan' to be able to play.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    kentaddick said:

    Talal said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274879/Football-League-loan-window-explained.html

    "In extenuating circumstances, the League can agree to extend the loan beyond 93 days but, normally, you can’t keep the same player for more than this period of time (i.e. a club can’t keep signing him on loan over and over again)."

    thats during the loan window, not the transfer window. We can sign him til the end of the season when the transfer window reopens
    Pretty sure that's not the case.
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    I can't find anything official on this, but have found a case that suggests it is possible to extend a loan to the end of the season:

    Shay Given joined Middlesbrough in November 2013 on an emergency loan, and Middlesbrough tried to extend in January to the end of the season, but ultimately failed. Here is a link to the story:

    http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shay-given-heading-back-aston-6656592

    "The club have been involved in protracted negotiations with Aston Villa throughout the transfer window but finally admitted defeat yesterday afternoon. Given, 37, joined Boro on an initial one month emergency loan on November 28 and that deal was extended by a further two months on New Year’s Day. For the vastly-experienced Irishman to stay until the end of the season, a deal would have had to be agreed before the January window closed at 11pm last night."
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Talal said:

    kentaddick said:

    Talal said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274879/Football-League-loan-window-explained.html

    "In extenuating circumstances, the League can agree to extend the loan beyond 93 days but, normally, you can’t keep the same player for more than this period of time (i.e. a club can’t keep signing him on loan over and over again)."

    thats during the loan window, not the transfer window. We can sign him til the end of the season when the transfer window reopens
    Pretty sure that's not the case.
    i'm 100% sure it is.

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