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  • I am still waiting for reds answer, I now believe he is milliband the way he has swerved the question
  • I am still waiting for reds answer, I now believe he is milliband the way he has swerved the question

    I have answered you twice.
  • edited August 2015

    I used the term 'asylum seekers'. Some will turn out to be genuine and some will not. Whilst their status is being established we have a responsibility to provide them with subsistence. I don't know what the the regulations are in the circumstances where the asylum seeker is deemed not to be genuine. Not sure why you think I have not answered your question. I can't be more clear. Yes, I think we should pay asylum seekers subsistence.


    Couldn't be any clearer.

  • That was one part of what I asked go back read the full question

    Red you seem to have a bit of skin hanging out your arse might need a wipe
  • Don't ever change redman you have given this otherwise depressing thread a shot of jizz and sparked it into life
  • Here courtesy of an alert from PL54 on the argument alert thread.
  • edited August 2015
    Carter said:

    Don't ever change redman you have given this otherwise depressing thread a shot of jizz and sparked it into life

    On a political level I am probably more closely aligned with Red's views and I respect his determination to argue/stand up for what he believes in
  • cabbles said:

    On a political level I am probably more closely aligned with Red's views and I respect his determination to argue/stand up for what he believes in
    So do you also think the Calais immigrants want to come to the UK for the purpose of improving their English?
  • It may be on their agenda but it's pretty low down I would guess.
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  • rikofold said:

    I think the presumption of guilt is what Red and others take issue with. NLA, notwithstanding your own experiences. No-one should have to qualify to be treated humanely.

    Treat these people humanely, deport them if they don't qualify - and that should include those who have no good reason for being unable to identify themselves. There's clearly a bigger EU issue, but compared to other EU countries we're not badly done by in terms of the number of asylum seekers we take in - quite the opposite in fact.

    It's not unreasonable, I think, to seek asylum in a country where the language is familiar and where you may already have family. There still should be a qualification process, and I don't see any reason why such people can't be processed at Calais - that is, they can claim asylum in France but subject to an agreement between the British and French can be accepted by the UK even though they made their first claim in France.

    The lawlessness of some of those who wish to be UK immigrants in and around Calais is not acceptable, and certainly more must be done there.

    If they have no id to where would we deport them?
  • If they have no id to where would we deport them?
    Scotland
  • If they have no id to where would we deport them?
    Stop bringing realism in to this immigration fairytale, you heartless right wing bstard!

    But, you're bang on the money. Does anyone seriously think our government has any spine when it comes to removing individuals who ought not to be here? It took 8 years to remove an Eygptian national who was not only severely injured when attempting to produce a bomb, but was also a well documented preacher of hate, a convicted terrorist in the UK and wanted in connection with terror offences in the US! If we paid for Abu Hamza's upkeep for so long then I can't see our chances at getting rid of your average petty criminal being very large.

    Think of it this way, you're a budding illegal immigrant, here's your instructions:

    Step one: to gain entry to the UK make full use of the open borders found in EU countries and their reluctance to get involved with individuals intending to make passage to the UK.

    At Calais, join the many groups currently roaming and attempting entry. Create maximum fear and intimidation, not only will this create political tension but it will also allow you more freedom in the area - you become untouchable.

    Whilst in Calais attempt entry via lorries. The number of vehicle checks allow you maximum chances of success. When not attempting access via lorries partake in the group mentality of fear of intimidation above.

    Step two when in the UK: if you have a passport then send it home, even if you do it via post. (Some would argue passports shouldn't be permitted out of the country via mail.)

    Step three: if detained under an immigration offence, expect to be given a date to turn up to a Home Office centre - most likely Croydon if in SE London. Fail to turn up.

    Step four: repeat step three.

    In the unlikely event that real proceedings are started against you for the removal of you from the UK then use the services of one of many immigration lawyers who set up shop in areas that specifically attract illegal immigrants. Your human rights will be affected by any attempt to remove you from the UK: you will be OK.

  • PL54 said:

    So do you also think the Calais immigrants want to come to the UK for the purpose of improving their English?
    Haha - no. I meant in a more general sense. After hearing all Nth London has had to say first hand on the matter I agree with most of what he says.

    But ignoring the 'pompous twat' and 'ignorant shit' comments I respect Red's resolve
  • You started your frothing mouthed anti-asylum seeking, anti-French ranting on page 4 of this thread! You ignorant piece of shit.
    Hypocrite...... Ranting away and frothing at the mouth using big boy language.

    And I'm anti illegal immigrants, not anti genuine asylum seekers.

    Spot on about the French though. You're not called Pierre by any chance?

  • Except whilst they're in France, the UK couldn't deport them anywhere...

    Not having ID doesn't make someone an illegal immigrant - they might still be a genuine asylum seeker. They need to be processed, and if they're not genuine then entry should be denied. I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man to be able to work out how to handle those whose origin is unclear.

    As I see it the crux is that we ought to be giving them the opportunity to claim EU asylum rather than that of the nation they first land in. That way the EU could then agree amongst its member countries how best to deploy those accepted, processing them according to common rules wherever they land. Many will want to come to the UK for reasons of language and family, others will want to be anywhere but.

    It's an EU issue that no-one's taking responsibility for.
  • Still waiting me, guess red don't want to answer
  • smiffyboy said:

    I bet Red in SE8 is a tree hugging squatter


    Fuck all wrong with being a tree-hugger.
  • edited August 2015
    rikofold said:

    Except whilst they're in France, the UK couldn't deport them anywhere...

    Not having ID doesn't make someone an illegal immigrant - they might still be a genuine asylum seeker. They need to be processed, and if they're not genuine then entry should be denied. I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man to be able to work out how to handle those whose origin is unclear.

    As I see it the crux is that we ought to be giving them the opportunity to claim EU asylum rather than that of the nation they first land in. That way the EU could then agree amongst its member countries how best to deploy those accepted, processing them according to common rules wherever they land. Many will want to come to the UK for reasons of language and family, others will want to be anywhere but.

    It's an EU issue that no-one's taking responsibility for.

    If their country of origin is unknown, and almost certainly unprovable, how can you know where to send them to and what do you do if the country you designate refuses to take them? My last post was a little tongue in cheek, but we can't just sent people without any id where ever we like.

    What would happen if thousands of people with no id were questioned in Germany and they said that they were British and the Germans decided to deport them to the UK?

    I'm not being difficult but it is easy to see why, once they get here, we don't seem to know what to do with them.
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  • edited August 2015

    Still waiting me, guess red don't want to answer

    I was simply making a conscious effort to stay off this thread from now on. But you keep persisting.

    You are not exactly gifted when it comes to the written word. I tend to skim your longer posts rather than try to decipher them. If you really want an answer to this second question repeat it using no more than 1 or 2 sentences and I will try and answer it tonight.

    If you think I am being rude you are right. I always respond in a tone that matches the way I am addressed. So when you make comments about something hanging out my arse don't expect a polite or respectful response.
  • I couldnt care if you are rude it bothers me not one jot if you honestly think that I care about what people write or say about me you couldn't be more wrong, I laugh at people that feel the need to respond with rudeness and insults, it demonstrates that you are the ones with issues and insecurity not the person who any rudeness or insults are aimed at, so fill your boots

    and if you couldn't see that the post about skin hanging out of your arse was aimed at Redskin being so far up it as he feels the need to defend and respond on your behalf and wasn't aimed at you at all then once again you have highlighted your own short coming not mine

    As for not being gifted with the written word I think that you are 100% right and over the last God knows how many years I have explained the reasons for this over and over again and I won't explain it again



  • Your arse comment was as inaccurate as it was puerile. Se8 doesn't need me to defend him or speak on his behalf especially when he's up against someone like you.I was simply commenting on your monotonous demands for him to answer it.

    I wasn't rude but you felt the need to be. It doesn't matter, your strutting around this thread with your hands on your hips demanding answers is faintly preposterous.

  • it was accurate and puerile i think you will find,

    i never demanded anything i asked his opinion on something and wondered why he only answered half of the question,

    you thinking about me with my hands on my hips strutting is a bit weird but each to their own ,
  • If their country of origin is unknown, and almost certainly unprovable, how can you know where to send them to and what do you do if the country you designate refuses to take them? My last post was a little tongue in cheek, but we can't just sent people without any id where ever we like.

    What would happen if thousands of people with no id were questioned in Germany and they said that they were British and the Germans decided to deport them to the UK?

    I'm not being difficult but it is easy to see why, once they get here, we don't seem to know what to do with them.
    Which is why it's an EU problem. I don't disagree, it's a fair point, but problems are there to be solved. Can't shrug our shoulders and open the doors now can we.
  • Not sure how exactly it is an EU problem, at least as far as the migrants at Calais are concerned. The UK is not in the Schengen zone and anyone arriving in the UK from France should still be showing their passport (although the last few times I've been to and from Calais no one has bothered to look at my passport). If the EU did not exist the problem would be the same in Calais, although illegal immigrants might find it more difficult to cross borders once the arrive in Europe.

    When the Gibraltar crisis was happening and Spain closed their borders to them, the EU sat on their hands so not sure why they would intervene now.
  • it was accurate and puerile i think you will find,

    i never demanded anything i asked his opinion on something and wondered why he only answered half of the question,

    you thinking about me with my hands on my hips strutting is a bit weird but each to their own ,

    Mincing yes, strutting, no
  • nla=Mick Jagger.
  • I love a good mince
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    It's nice to put a face to the name now nla :wink:
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