Dallas police shootings
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Do you listen to a lot of rap?BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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Dylan Roof. Racist white terrorist. Murdered nine African-Americans whilst they attended church. Was arrested without a shot fired at him. The police treated him to a Burger King.
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UnbefuckinglievableBR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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Do you listen to a lot of rap?BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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You're unbelievable Jeff, I think you've been offended by everyone of my posts that disagrees with yours. So unless you have a point to make, bore off.Leuth said:
UnbefuckinglievableBR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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No shit!BR7_addick said:
No.Off_it said:
Do you listen to a lot of rap?BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite
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If you mean ignorant as in disagreeing with your point then yes I am.Leuth said:My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite funny
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You're postulating that rap is the cause of violence rather than a response to it, which is a staggeringly inept reading EDIT and yeah what SE9 says0
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You've insinuated that rap is the cause of the violence in America but admit to not having listened to much. Isn't that essentially the definition of ignorance ?BR7_addick said:
If you mean ignorant as in disagreeing with your point then yes I am.Leuth said:My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite funny
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Didn't suggest its the sole reason for it at any point you read it how you want, you don't listen to other views anyway, bit of a bigot it seems.Leuth said:You're postulating that rap is the cause of violence rather than a response to it, which is a staggeringly inept reading
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I did as a kiddy till I realised the best artists are dead or have lost it(tupac,biggie,Eminem). Try switching on MTV Base once in while you'll see where I'm coming from.se9addick said:
You've insinuated that rap is the cause of the violence in America but admit to not having listened to much. Isn't that essentially the definition of ignorance ?BR7_addick said:
If you mean ignorant as in disagreeing with your point then yes I am.Leuth said:My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite funny
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Listen to this, carefully
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> uses an mtv channel as a marker for modern musicBR7_addick said:
I did as a kiddy till I realised the best artists are dead or have lost it(tupac,biggie,Eminem). Try switching on MTV Base once in while you'll see where I'm coming from.se9addick said:
You've insinuated that rap is the cause of the violence in America but admit to not having listened to much. Isn't that essentially the definition of ignorance ?BR7_addick said:
If you mean ignorant as in disagreeing with your point then yes I am.Leuth said:My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite funny
Fucking LOL.
There is some amazing modern hip hop out there, listen to cunninglynguists, common, Pete Rock, j fills etc, all 21st century.0 -
7 minutes of my life I can't get back.11
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You swear a lot when responding to me Kent Addick just use another meme if you're angry.kentaddick said:.
> uses an mtv channel as a marker for modern musicBR7_addick said:
I did as a kiddy till I realised the best artists are dead or have lost it(tupac,biggie,Eminem). Try switching on MTV Base once in while you'll see where I'm coming from.se9addick said:
You've insinuated that rap is the cause of the violence in America but admit to not having listened to much. Isn't that essentially the definition of ignorance ?BR7_addick said:
If you mean ignorant as in disagreeing with your point then yes I am.Leuth said:My point is that you are revelling in your ignorance and it's quite funny
Fucking LOL.
There is some amazing modern hip hop out there, listen to cunninglynguists, common, Pete Rock, j fills etc, all 21st century.1 -
My ears are hurting.ValleyGary said:7 minutes of my life I can't get back.
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Well I listened carefully and while it is musically better than a lot of music of that genre I still don't get it.1
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I don't listen to rap or hip hop music, for reasons like that video above (it's dreadful)...but didn't Notorious BIG bring out songs about abusing women and commandments of selling crack cocaine? Is that a response to violence?Leuth said:You're postulating that rap is the cause of violence rather than a response to it, which is a staggeringly inept reading EDIT and yeah what SE9 says
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And in the end it was organized by a select group of CIA operatives and carried out by some of them along with some mafia members (mad about Bobby's pursuit of the mob) and anti-Castro Cubans, still mad about the Bay of Pigs, JFK shutting down their covert ops in the swamps of LA and FL, and about his refusal to nuke/invade Cuban during the Cuban missile crisis.soapboxsam said:
Spot on.bobmunro said:
Agreed. For me it was Bobby's death that ended the hope.redlanered said:
IMO had MLK and Robert Kennedy not gone the same way then things would have progressed, however shocking JFK's assassination was. At that point it seemed that anyone trying to do the right thing was a target.soapboxsam said:53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.
The gun culture is out of control. If everyone is (potentially) armed, then not surprisingly the police will overreact at the merest twitch from someone in a tense situation, and we know they are more likely to overreact more to people with particular profiles. Prison & arrest are not deterrents, which is why the jail population is ridiculously high.
The triple killings of first JFK in 63, then Martin Luther King in April 68,
Followed by Bobby Kennedy in June 68 sowed the seeds that are still coming to fruition today.
The Kennedy Brothers upset so many different people,
That they could have been killed by Mafia, Right wingers, Russian supporters or even spurned lovers ETC.
Oliver Stone's film "JFK," which is based on a lot of very good investigation and then given the Oliver Stone filmmaking twist, puts forth the notion that he was killed over Vietnam, which could tangentially have been true. If you believe that Edward Landsdale was in Dallas that day, he the former CIA chief of the East Asia region (I believe) and a man well versed in covert ops, then you could certainly point to the correlation between him and Vietnam. Vietnam was a war he and the CIA were pressing for desperately in the early '60s when our involvement there was still light.
Lastly, in recent years there's been an influx in people saying it was orchestrated by LBJ. I suspect he knew about it in advance. He was good friends and neighbors with J. Edgar Hoover, and LBJ was anything but stupid, he would have known what actually happened in Dallas shortly thereafter, if not beforehand. When he got older he stated he thought the Russians might have done it. There were a lot of people associated with the CIA at the same time (and I am of the belief that Oswald was meant to be tied directly to Cuba, but that's another story) who said the Russians might have done it. All of these men knew better. Kennedy had started a thaw in the cold war, and was viewed domestically as being "too soft on Communism" (see Cuba).
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Stop being ignorant..ValleyGary said:
I don't listen to rap or hip hop music, for reasons like that video above (it's dreadful)...but didn't Notorious BIG bring out songs about abusing women and commandments of selling crack cocaine? Is that a response to violence?Leuth said:You're postulating that rap is the cause of violence rather than a response to it, which is a staggeringly inept reading EDIT and yeah what SE9 says
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Watched many movies lately? Seen much TV? Read many books? Played or seen adverts for xbox or PlayStation? Think you will find people were killing people long before Hip Hop turned up pal.BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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Don't ban guns, ban rap and hip hop.1
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Was thinking the same thing, with the extra added irony that this all happened pretty close to Dealey plaza where Jack Kennedy was shot.cafc_harry said:Something about the whole thing just doesn't seem to add up to me, randomly woke up to it happening and saw one of the earlier videos and it certainly didn't sound like sniper fire, it was relentless shots from what sounded like at least 4-5 at least semi-automatic guns. I'm not one for conspiracy theories or set ups but something seems off.
The early reports were two snipers, and later that there were as many as four people involved.
There was a video that did the rounds on the night (and I really have no desire to find it again) where you could hear what sounded like two high-powered weapons being fired down at police. They noticeably never fired at the same time. The man Johnson was former Army, and could well have had multiple weapons stationed around he vantage point.0 -
Okay StevieG, that's a fair point. Thanks for putting that across without getting flustered or swearing.1StevieG said:
Watched many movies lately? Seen much TV? Read many books? Played or seen adverts for xbox or PlayStation? Think you will find people were killing people long before Hip Hop turned up pal.BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
Take note Leuth, Kent Addick etc.-1 -
Leuth, Rap is just a cog in an ever spinning wheel, whether a cause or response popular music is very influential on young people.Leuth said:You're postulating that rap is the cause of violence rather than a response to it, which is a staggeringly inept reading EDIT and yeah what SE9 says
The current trend in music for sexualising everything is another example. Boys, black and white, only see girls for one thing.
Have a look at some of the computer games available to kids.1 -
Yeah, there was a meme doing the rounds after Alton Sterling got shot that went something like "get shot while unarmed by police, they print your previous record. Rape a girl and they print your swim times."kentaddick said:
there was a really high profile case in america not long ago where a white college athlete essentially got off scot free on a sexual assault and rape charge because it might "hurt his career" further down the line. The reporting of the case used a college grad photo of him, not a police mug shot they usually useThe Organiser said:
And neither do white lives matter to all coppers otherwise no white people would have been killed.se9addick said:
But black lives clearly don't matter to all coppers in the states, that's entirely the point.Dazzler21 said:
Why isn't it relevant? It supports the fact that Black lives do in fact matter. ALL lives matter is what they should be championing.se9addick said:
Why is it relevant ?i_b_b_o_r_g said:How many black lives are saved by the police in the US every year?
Regarding taser use on baggy clothes
“The most effective place for a TASER probe to hit is one probe above the belt and one below the belt with a spread of a foot or more,” Tracy said. Baggy clothing can get in the way of probes making contact with the skin. Denim can stop the probes getting through all together. The probe can also come loose of the wire/skin and the probes can be shot too close together.
All of these scenarios would leave the intended target unaffected.
“A lot of times the top dart misses or the bottom dart misses,” Paxton said. "The top probe has a laser sight on it and is fired directly, while the second probe is fired at an angle. Firing it from a distance usually means a better spread of the probes, but the probability of missing is greatly increased by distance.”
It also is difficult to hit a moving target. If the probes are not shot directly into the subject, the TASER takes time and can be difficult to reload.
“The TASER X-26 (U.S standard Police issue) is limited to one deployment at a time,” Tracy said. "While the cartridge can be dropped and reloaded, reloading is difficult under stress.”0 -
1992 wants its opinion back.BR7_addick said:Rather than blame trump has anyone thought about blaming the music industry? You know the rap stars the youth in America look up to so much? Thes ones opening bragging about carrying guns and killing etc?
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No one said don't ban guns babe.Callumcafc said:Don't ban guns, ban rap and hip hop.
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Sandi Shaws Puppet on a string put me on the right path.Callumcafc said:Don't ban guns, ban rap and hip hop.
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