I have no empathy for Slade
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Of course. Just seems a bit out of context doesn't it? Why would he have any empathy with Slade?Chizz said:
If the OP wants to write about his lack of empathy, that's fine. If you want to write about your lack of sympathy that's fine too. I don't decide what the OP gets to write about!ateamofcorygibbs said:
Shouldn't it be sympathy for Slade though...Chizz said:
Either's fineShootersHillGuru said:Shouldn't it be " empathy with Slade ?
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/empathy-with-or-empathy-for/
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I have no idea! Ask him.MillwallFan said:
Of course. Just seems a bit out of context doesn't it? Why would he have any empathy with Slade?Chizz said:
If the OP wants to write about his lack of empathy, that's fine. If you want to write about your lack of sympathy that's fine too. I don't decide what the OP gets to write about!ateamofcorygibbs said:
Shouldn't it be sympathy for Slade though...Chizz said:
Either's fineShootersHillGuru said:Shouldn't it be " empathy with Slade ?
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Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!2
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I have no empathy with (or sympathy for, which is what I guess the OP means) Theresa May. But, for now, I hope she does well in her new job because she talks a good talk, there's no alternative on offer and my future (and your future) depends on her not screwing up like past occupants of her job have done. That doesn't stop me hoping for wholesale change, and maybe devoting time and effort to assisting those who'll peacefully call for that change through persuading other folk to join them. And frankly, it's sometimes a bit less stress to take a deep breath, a step back, and watch things from afar.
Similarly, I hope Russell Slade does well in his new job as he talks a good talk, there's no alternative on offer and I'm not masochistic enough to really hope Charlton are dragged through the shit with him quitting when the club sink to 24th in the third division. None of this stops me hoping for wholesale change and devoting some time and effort to helping those who are calling for that change, but as with the current state of the country, I'm not going to start hoping for catastrophic failure to prove a point.7 -
What I did know at the start was that SCP was an extremely talented respectable footballer who gave his all for us over a number of years , many of which were at the highest level of the game and also that he was our first England international for over 35 years and we don't see many of them in our Charlton lifetimes , hope this helps give a clue to you as where the Sir part comes fromcafc999 said:
But you didn't know that he would do that at the start did you..??Dave2l said:
Because he played for us on 3 separate occasions (in simple terms).....and believe it or not, this may come as a shock to you, but some fans of football clubs quite like it when favourite ex players move on to eventually become coaches at their football clubs, it feels nice because you sense that the individual has an affiliation with the club and understands it, therefore will be more passionate about the job, which is what footballs all about.cafc999 said:
Yet people called Chris Powell SCP when he had never actually managed a teamDave2l said:Valid points.
Especially about his lack of achievements within 23 years of managing..
..but in terms of the manager we would bring in at this level and with this lot, the bar was already set rather low for us...so the simple fact that he's British and knows the league, that was a starting point and a relief.
Wouldn't describe him to be "vainly trying to embarrass the club through local press"
He could have held off...maybe. Even though I want the regime to be embarrassed, the correct thing for him to do would have been just to say where working on bringing in a lot more players, because we need to.
Didn't necessarily have to go "overboard"....whoever he works for, however unpopular, it still looks a tad unprofessional.
Obviously if you upset the person paying your wages and making it a little bit public, then nothing's going to get resolved or move forward normally and peacefully.
I disregard it though, my honest opinion, I think frustration boiled over and opened his gob up because he cares about his job.
The point you highlighted in bold, then the point you just made to counter my point, is not a very good one considering Chris Powell, in his first full season of management actually did what Russell Slade has never done in 23 years, and that's win promotion.
Well he won a league.
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Sir Russell Slade it is then......
Anyway, lets move on and all support Sir Russell Slade6 -
To straighten this out
"I have no empathy with slade"
To me, that sounds like what an animal might feel.
For instance, a shark. It wouldn't be able to understand the emotional human like problems to relate to being charlton athletics manager.
"Empathy" is what all human beings feel and have for anyone and everyone even for people you might hate.
Say for instance, if Russell Slade fell down the stairs....but I really wasn't fond of the fella, I'd still have an empathetic understanding where I could put myself in his shoes and imagine that what just happened to him, was perhaps quite a slightly painful, unpleasant experience.
The significant difference between empathy and sympathy.
Hitler had empathy and the fact that he had empathy ..... makes him more of an evil c*nt.
RD is a man that maybe lacks (I'm not comparing Roland Duchatelet to Hitler) empathy ....with football fans, because he has a complete failing to understand the general emotion of what makes a football fan tick.
He doesn't understand it. If he does understand it, and does understand why the Charlton fans protest and could see it coming from a mile away....then he is the weirdest c*nt alive.
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With all that padding, surely he would bounce straight back up?Dave2l said:To straighten this out
"I have no empathy with slade"
To me, that sounds like what an animal might feel.
For instance, a shark. It wouldn't be able to understand the emotional human like problems to relate to being charlton athletics manager.
"Empathy" is what all human beings feel and have for anyone and everyone even for people you might hate.
Say for instance, if Russell Slade fell down the stairs....but I really wasn't fond of the fella, I'd still have an empathetic understanding where I could put myself in his shoes and imagine that what just happened to him, was perhaps quite a slightly painful, unpleasant experience.
The significant difference between empathy and sympathy.
Hitler had empathy and the fact that he had empathy ..... makes him more of an evil c*nt.
RD is a man that maybe lacks (I'm not comparing Roland Duchatelet to Hitler) empathy ....with football fans, because he has a complete failing to understand the general emotion of what makes a football fan tick.
He doesn't understand it. If he does understand it, and does understand why the Charlton fans protest and could see it coming from a mile away....then he is the weirdest c*nt alive.0 -
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With all that padding, surely he would bounce straight back up?Dave2l said:To straighten this out
"I have no empathy with slade"
To me, that sounds like what an animal might feel.
For instance, a shark. It wouldn't be able to understand the emotional human like problems to relate to being charlton athletics manager.
"Empathy" is what all human beings feel and have for anyone and everyone even for people you might hate.
Say for instance, if Russell Slade fell down the stairs....but I really wasn't fond of the fella, I'd still have an empathetic understanding where I could put myself in his shoes and imagine that what just happened to him, was perhaps quite a slightly painful, unpleasant experience.
The significant difference between empathy and sympathy.
Hitler had empathy and the fact that he had empathy ..... makes him more of an evil c*nt.
RD is a man that maybe lacks (I'm not comparing Roland Duchatelet to Hitler) empathy ....with football fans, because he has a complete failing to understand the general emotion of what makes a football fan tick.
He doesn't understand it. If he does understand it, and does understand why the Charlton fans protest and could see it coming from a mile away....then he is the weirdest c*nt alive.
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Well this is quite strange.braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
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What an arsehole, wanting a regular income!braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
And he's a football team manager not a fitness instructor.3 -
Well said, that man (or woman, but the odds are on man).InspectorSands said:I have no empathy with (or sympathy for, which is what I guess the OP means) Theresa May. But, for now, I hope she does well in her new job because she talks a good talk, there's no alternative on offer and my future (and your future) depends on her not screwing up like past occupants of her job have done. That doesn't stop me hoping for wholesale change, and maybe devoting time and effort to assisting those who'll peacefully call for that change through persuading other folk to join them. And frankly, it's sometimes a bit less stress to take a deep breath, a step back, and watch things from afar.
Similarly, I hope Russell Slade does well in his new job as he talks a good talk, there's no alternative on offer and I'm not masochistic enough to really hope Charlton are dragged through the shit with him quitting when the club sink to 24th in the third division. None of this stops me hoping for wholesale change and devoting some time and effort to helping those who are calling for that change, but as with the current state of the country, I'm not going to start hoping for catastrophic failure to prove a point.1 -
whats strange about it? he took the job not because he wanted to be manager of Charlton, not because he has any affliation to the club, not because he's a local guy or life long supporter of the club or any other reason... but becuase he wanted another managerial job, a 3 year contract, another shot at promotion and was prepared to do that knowing full well what arse holes are in charge of the club, knowing that he'll be expected to say all the right things and do none of them. I'm basically saying I think he didnt take the job for the right reasons and so i'm not going to feel sorry for him when he's moaning about his paper thin squad!ValleyGary said:
Well this is quite strange.braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
Anyone thinking about taking this job on would have been aware of our Belgian owners and if they really wanted the job, would have insisted upon it being in their contract that they would be responsible for player signings. He was prepared to let that go just so he could call himself a manager again.1 -
You wouldn't say "he's the bad idiot these idiots...", you'd say "he's the worst idiot these idiots...", so if you qualify the the "worst" with "least", you still use "worst".Chizz said:"Least worst" doesn't make sense. Surely it should be "least bad".
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Is it because he tried to steal the moon that you have no empathy for him?0
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You're right of course. He is a manager. But with certain roles come certain expectations, responsibilities, moral obligations etc. He is overweight and doesn't look fit. Does he get stuck in with training or stand on the sideline shouting at his players whilst eating another pukka pie? Is he entitled to comment on the fitness of his players, if so, will his players respect his slightly hypocritical views?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What an arsehole, wanting a regular income!braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
And he's a football team manager not a fitness instructor.
I'm sorry, but if you want to manage any sports team and expect and demand full fitness from them, you should be prepared to lead by example.
I help manage my sons team - under 10's, yet me and the other dads would never expect any of them to do anything we couldn't do, including simple tasks like running a lap of the field, sprinting for 2 minutes, 5km Park Runs etc.3 -
Well of course you wouldn't. You're a spanner ;0)MillwallFan said:
Of course. Just seems a bit out of context doesn't it? Why would we have any empathy with Slade?Chizz said:
If the OP wants to write about his lack of empathy, that's fine. If you want to write about your lack of sympathy that's fine too. I don't decide what the OP gets to write about!ateamofcorygibbs said:
Shouldn't it be sympathy for Slade though...Chizz said:
Either's fineShootersHillGuru said:Shouldn't it be " empathy with Slade ?
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/empathy-with-or-empathy-for/
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Another thread that just proves football fans to be some of the most stupid creatures on this planet.
So what if he hasn't had a promotion? Does that by default mean he's a terrible manager? It's like the people who criticise Allardyce because he's never won anything - put him in charge of a top 4 club and he would.7 -
So what should be the 'right reasons' for taking over as manager of a football club? If a shot at promotion isn't one of them, then that's strange in itself.braydex said:
whats strange about it? he took the job not because he wanted to be manager of Charlton, not because he has any affliation to the club, not because he's a local guy or life long supporter of the club or any other reason... but becuase he wanted another managerial job, a 3 year contract, another shot at promotion and was prepared to do that knowing full well what arse holes are in charge of the club, knowing that he'll be expected to say all the right things and do none of them. I'm basically saying I think he didnt take the job for the right reasons and so i'm not going to feel sorry for him when he's moaning about his paper thin squad!ValleyGary said:
Well this is quite strange.braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
Anyone thinking about taking this job on would have been aware of our Belgian owners and if they really wanted the job, would have insisted upon it being in their contract that they would be responsible for player signings. He was prepared to let that go just so he could call himself a manager again.
What his appearance and weight has to do with it I don't know.
And I'm not sure what your point about setting an example is all about. Seems to me like since he's joined he's done nothing but set an example. His interview talking about the handbook he's created seems like an excellent idea. Appears he's researched the club really well. Next few days in the transfer window will see if he's got the CEO and owner sussed out as well.5 -
If you're a professional athlete and you'd rather compare yourself to the fitness of your manager than the rest of your squad or just take responsibility for your own performance, then you should be knowhere near a football pitch.braydex said:
You're right of course. He is a manager. But with certain roles come certain expectations, responsibilities, moral obligations etc. He is overweight and doesn't look fit. Does he get stuck in with training or stand on the sideline shouting at his players whilst eating another pukka pie? Is he entitled to comment on the fitness of his players, if so, will his players respect his slightly hypocritical views?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What an arsehole, wanting a regular income!braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
And he's a football team manager not a fitness instructor.
I'm sorry, but if you want to manage any sports team and expect and demand full fitness from them, you should be prepared to lead by example.
I help manage my sons team - under 10's, yet me and the other dads would never expect any of them to do anything we couldn't do, including simple tasks like running a lap of the field, sprinting for 2 minutes, 5km Park Runs etc.
Do gymnasts expect their coaches to be able to do triple flips at 50 years old?
Do sprinters expect their coaches to be able to run sub 10 seconds over 100m?
Did the Englamd World Cup rugby team expect Clive Woodward to be able to take down a 20st Kiwi?
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Mourinho is one of the best Managers in the world and was a shite Footballer never made a career at it.
How do you expect him to lead by example when any of his First-Team at Manchester United (Okay maybe not Fellaini) can do anything better than him4 -
Good luck Mr Slade. If we're top after 5 games you will be our new hero. But believe me, they are laying in wait for you.5
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Oh dear....you've still got it........those 10 year olds must be impressed.......braydex said:
You're right of course. He is a manager. But with certain roles come certain expectations, responsibilities, moral obligations etc. He is overweight and doesn't look fit. Does he get stuck in with training or stand on the sideline shouting at his players whilst eating another pukka pie? Is he entitled to comment on the fitness of his players, if so, will his players respect his slightly hypocritical views?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What an arsehole, wanting a regular income!braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
And he's a football team manager not a fitness instructor.
I'm sorry, but if you want to manage any sports team and expect and demand full fitness from them, you should be prepared to lead by example.
I help manage my sons team - under 10's, yet me and the other dads would never expect any of them to do anything we couldn't do, including simple tasks like running a lap of the field, sprinting for 2 minutes, 5km Park Runs etc.6 -
What a ridiculous postbraydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
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Statistically, people with less hair are more successfull than those with hair...6
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What a priceless post some people are so negative it's unreal, bet your a bundle of fun on a night out. Joke of a topic to bring up when one competive game hasn't even been played yet.7
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This is true. We get all the bitches!1StevieG said:Statistically, people with less hair are more successfull than those with hair...
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No. I wouldn't say "he's the worst idiot these idiots", because that makes no sense.AddicksAddict said:
You wouldn't say "he's the bad idiot these idiots...", you'd say "he's the worst idiot these idiots...", so if you qualify the the "worst" with "least", you still use "worst".Chizz said:"Least worst" doesn't make sense. Surely it should be "least bad".
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You make a good point, the next few days will tell us a lot about this seasons set up. I'm not planning on being surprised though.ValleyGary said:
So what should be the 'right reasons' for taking over as manager of a football club? If a shot at promotion isn't one of them, then that's strange in itself.braydex said:
whats strange about it? he took the job not because he wanted to be manager of Charlton, not because he has any affliation to the club, not because he's a local guy or life long supporter of the club or any other reason... but becuase he wanted another managerial job, a 3 year contract, another shot at promotion and was prepared to do that knowing full well what arse holes are in charge of the club, knowing that he'll be expected to say all the right things and do none of them. I'm basically saying I think he didnt take the job for the right reasons and so i'm not going to feel sorry for him when he's moaning about his paper thin squad!ValleyGary said:
Well this is quite strange.braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
Anyone thinking about taking this job on would have been aware of our Belgian owners and if they really wanted the job, would have insisted upon it being in their contract that they would be responsible for player signings. He was prepared to let that go just so he could call himself a manager again.
What his appearance and weight has to do with it I don't know.
And I'm not sure what your point about setting an example is all about. Seems to me like since he's joined he's done nothing but set an example. His interview talking about the handbook he's created seems like an excellent idea. Appears he's researched the club really well. Next few days in the transfer window will see if he's got the CEO and owner sussed out as well.
I would, however, point out that his time may have been better spent letting HR create a handbook rather than him. What's he got planned for the next 2 weeks....writing a user guide for the training ground vending machine?0 -
Perhaps not...but they probably would expect them to be able to walk to the dug out without needing a sit down to get their breath back.ValleyGary said:
If you're a professional athlete and you'd rather compare yourself to the fitness of your manager than the rest of your squad or just take responsibility for your own performance, then you should be knowhere near a football pitch.braydex said:
You're right of course. He is a manager. But with certain roles come certain expectations, responsibilities, moral obligations etc. He is overweight and doesn't look fit. Does he get stuck in with training or stand on the sideline shouting at his players whilst eating another pukka pie? Is he entitled to comment on the fitness of his players, if so, will his players respect his slightly hypocritical views?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What an arsehole, wanting a regular income!braydex said:Couldn't agree more. Knew what he was taking on but just wanted a title and regular pay cheque. He should also take a look at himself and shift a couple of stone. Set an example to his team.....most of whom are just kids!
And he's a football team manager not a fitness instructor.
I'm sorry, but if you want to manage any sports team and expect and demand full fitness from them, you should be prepared to lead by example.
I help manage my sons team - under 10's, yet me and the other dads would never expect any of them to do anything we couldn't do, including simple tasks like running a lap of the field, sprinting for 2 minutes, 5km Park Runs etc.
Do gymnasts expect their coaches to be able to do triple flips at 50 years old?
Do sprinters expect their coaches to be able to run sub 10 seconds over 100m?
Did the Englamd World Cup rugby team expect Clive Woodward to be able to take down a 20st Kiwi?1
