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Mother Teresa. Saint or Sinner.

soapboxsam
soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
edited September 2016 in Not Sports Related
It's Happened. The Catholic Church have made Mother Teresa a saint. I guess as long as Catholics get another day off in Italy it can't be such a bad thing. Well i know many of CL patrons go to confession. Fanny F and Arsentatters have their own Box. Where do the rest of you stand on MT ?
The late great Atheist Christopher Hitchens called her "a lying thieving Albania Dwarf". Not one for sitting on the fence was Peter.
Sinner maybe if taking money from Dictators: Haiti's Jean Claude Duvalier springs to mind.
allegations of misuse of funds ,Poor sanitation ( she failed her plumbing Exam) in Institutions she founded.
she was the global brand for the Catholic church, a PR Delight and as famous as the Pope even thou she turned down going on the Oprah Winfrey show.
She was against contraception and Abortion ! the former would stop the latter but she never worked that one out.

A saint if living and working with the poor folk and getting photo opportunity with Princess Diana, back in the day.
Preached peace and Love ( so do i and i'm an atheist)
She have been the by word for goodness for the last 60 years or so.

Well CL, We are a Broad Church (Metaphorically speaking) where do you stand on the little nun ?

Now known as the Saint of Calcutta, AKA Agnes Gonxha.
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    I think you mean Christopher Hitchens. Peter is sadly still alive
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    At least its not a would ya?
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    .
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,748
    Couldn't give a shit either way. That's where I stand.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Bedsaddick said:

    God I hate this international break

    So do i.
    That's why this thread is called Not sports related.
    For people who can think outside the six yard box.

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,129
    Did Alan Partridge start this thread?
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    SuedeAdidas said:

    Couldn't give a shit either way. That's where I stand.

    I'll put you down as a don't know.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    McBobbin said:

    I think you mean Christopher Hitchens. Peter is sadly still alive

    Corrected.

    They were like chalk and cheese on there views.

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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    The Red Robin said:

    Did Alan Partridge start this thread?

    Thanks Red Robin,
    I hoped someone could read between the lines.
    I put in down to the inbreeding in Norwich.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,037
    This comment on Reddit sums it up for me.

    A shady character, who believed suffering was noble and enlightening and brought you closer to God - so long as you were its champion and others were the sufferers. She immediately elected for advanced treatment the moment she fell ill.

    However.

    "While the actions of the Catholic Church can be questioned surrounding Mother Teresa, I wonder if any of her critics would be willing to do the work she had done during that time period in India where lepers and untouchables were dying in the gutters after society had cast them out."

    So, yeah, I'm not totally sure where I stand tbh, and I can't speak as to the validity of ALL of those criticisms in the post above.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,242
    edited September 2016
    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As heads is tails
    Just call me Lucifer
    Cause I'm in need of some restraint
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    You should be on the stage Henry Irving.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Stones.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Such is religion I suppose, don't know enough about it to really comment myself. What I do find interesting is the thought that in 5-600 years let's say people may well be looking back at what she did in the same light as religious people now look back at Jesus etc.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    soapboxsam said:

    Bedsaddick said:

    God I hate this international break

    So do i.
    That's why this thread is called Not sports related.
    For people who can think outside the six yard box.

    Let the handbags begin.
  • kigelia
    kigelia Posts: 2,582
    I would recommend the skeptoid podcast episode for a balanced view. She probably helped some people but not as much as was made of by some in the church or media (although probably more than some would have you believe).
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,438
    Penn & Teller did a brilliant 'Bullshit' episode about her. Not a nice person.

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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    She was a money grabbing, lying shit bag. So it's no wonder shes held in such high esteem by religious freaks.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    So, would ya?

  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,898
    At least give her a chance.

    What is it with people on here, writing her off before she's even pulled the shirt on?

    I'll reserve judgement until I've seen her play at least 10 games.
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,686
    I may have oversimplified this but …

    Is it not the Devil’s Advocate who provides an argument against canonisation whilst God’s advocate pleads the case for?

    I’ve no idea who has access to this information, or the deciding factors, but maybe Prague could look into it? :wink:
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,232
    ValleyGary said:

    She was a money grabbing, lying shit bag. So it's no wonder shes held in such high esteem by religious freaks.

    Wow. Tell me more about why you described her like that. I'm interested. I knew she helped the poor and we always heard of her name growing up. But something reminds me that maybe not all is what it seems. Very interested to know why you called her that.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    edited September 2016
    Curb_It said:

    ValleyGary said:

    She was a money grabbing, lying shit bag. So it's no wonder shes held in such high esteem by religious freaks.

    Wow. Tell me more about why you described her like that. I'm interested. I knew she helped the poor and we always heard of her name growing up. But something reminds me that maybe not all is what it seems. Very interested to know why you called her that.
    She used to bully him and steal his lunch money when they e were at school together
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,973
    I'm with VG on this.
    She took money from crooks (eg the Duvaliers of Haiti who had robbed their own people for it), believed that suffering was good and so did little to alleviate it, used much of the millions to fund nunneries rather than help the poor, the dying in her homes were confined to their camp beds and visitors were forbidden, any medical care was perfunctory and administered by untrained staff. She WANTED the inmates to suffer to be closer to Jesus.

    Even the rules of canonisation were changed to get her beatified, and the qualifying 'miracle' was a hoax.

    The Catholic Church - as Stewart Lee said, 'my favourite form of clandestine global evil'.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    Curb_It said:

    ValleyGary said:

    She was a money grabbing, lying shit bag. So it's no wonder shes held in such high esteem by religious freaks.

    Wow. Tell me more about why you described her like that. I'm interested. I knew she helped the poor and we always heard of her name growing up. But something reminds me that maybe not all is what it seems. Very interested to know why you called her that.
    As Leroy says, watch the Penn & Teller bullshit episode on her, or any interview with Christoper Hitchens.

    The woman had ties with several dictators, took money that wasn't used how it was intended, spoke about the poor and sick like it was a good thing it was happening. She was a crook.


    https://youtu.be/V4nCaxHN-cY
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,973
    It's like finding out Rolf Harris is a kiddie fiddler, isn't it?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    If she was money grabbing it doesn't seem to have been for personal wealth unless she had a secret Swiss bank account or something we don't know about.
    Anyway it appears the rules are that she had to be responsible for a miracle or two to qualify as a Saint.
    Every day when I manage to get my socks on without putting my back out I perform a miracle, yet I ain't no saint.
    What does Shay Given say anyway?

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