Mother Teresa. Saint or Sinner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4

Macronate said:

At least give her a chance.

What is it with people on here, writing her off before she's even pulled the shirt on?

I'll reserve judgement until I've seen her play at least 10 games.

But what about the CL height test? A mega fail surely.

Edited to add: Tax The Churches!

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

I may have oversimplified this but …

Is it not the Devil’s Advocate who provides an argument against canonisation whilst God’s advocate pleads the case for?

I’ve no idea who has access to this information, or the deciding factors, but maybe Prague could look into it?

From what I understand there was no "Devils advocate" in this case. The edict came from the Papal office that she should be a saint and that was that. I would imagine the catholic church is down to it's last few million in the area where the "miracle" occurred, so they need a nice little money spinning shrine to prize cash out of the gullible and brainwashed in future...

I did feel sorry for her in the time she died. Two days after princess di.
She was hardly acknowledged.

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

A good article here that details the process.

http://indianexpress.com/article/research/mother-teresa-canonisation-two-miracles-that-led-the-way-to-sainthood/

Absolutely insane people still believe all that bollocks

The only miracle I remember was lennie Lawrence giving us top flight football when we had no ground no money and hardly any support.


Saint lennie I say

rina said:

yeah, the role of devil's advocate has apparently been scrapped along with any waiting time after a person's death so the pope pretty much had free rein now

MT's miracle was pretty cool though, a portrait of her shooting lasers from it's eyes to cure a woman of cancer even though she never had cancer

ValleyGary said:

Curb_It said:

ValleyGary said:

She was a money grabbing, lying shit bag. So it's no wonder shes held in such high esteem by religious freaks.

Wow. Tell me more about why you described her like that. I'm interested. I knew she helped the poor and we always heard of her name growing up. But something reminds me that maybe not all is what it seems. Very interested to know why you called her that.

As Leroy says, watch the Penn & Teller bullshit episode on her, or any interview with Christoper Hitchens.

The woman had ties with several dictators, took money that wasn't used how it was intended, spoke about the poor and sick like it was a good thing it was happening. She was a crook.


https://youtu.be/V4nCaxHN-cY

Wow! I never knew any of this, thanks for posting.

Hitchens was a God, so sinner.

This thread actually came as lightning from a clear blue sky for me. I knew Mother Teresa helped the poor and starving in India and was generally regarded as a decent person. When you believe someone is one thing, it's a bit of a jump to go 180º in the other direction. I also tend to be a bit anti where the Catholic church is concerned, after my mother in law tried to push my daughters through various bizarre church rituals after my wife and I had clearly told her not to, so I don't want to jump in and start thrashing away at Mother T without good reason.
I will say that the things I read on here (and bits posted from YouTube) don't actually deny she worked with lepers, poor people and those that the Indian Caste system graded as untouchables, so that remains good I suppose. She never asked me for money, but I generally thought her fund raising was to help those people, not to build a series of nunneries across the globe, so no sympathy there, even though as a nun, she may have thought this was all part of the 'bigger picture'. And the money she did allow to go to her hospital seems to have been pretty meagre judging by the pictures here, but again, I don't want to lambast her after one documentary.
All in all though, the only reason I can see for making her a saint is that the whole sainthood thing is so riven with claptrap and mumbo jumbo, and a lot of the 'saints' were evil people who killed brutally (there is one called Cyrill who should have been executed, not canonised) that the church could keep the population in darkness, ignorance and folly.
No saint then for me, just another person putting money where the donor probably didn't want it to go (apart from the Duvaliers in Haití maybe).

smudge7946 said:

Lincsaddick said:

irrespective of miracles, the arrogant scepticism of Hutchings and the overblown claims of the Catholic church, Teresa did enormous good for the starving poor of Calcutta when the caste system, the Indian government and the bullshitting hindu intelligentsia did sweet fuck all for them ..

If we are having a go a St Teresa, the India government and Hindu intelligentsia, there is another massive group that have massively let down the poor and needy of India; Emigrant Indians. Millions came over to Great Britain, benefited, shared in and created the wealth of this great country, yet not enough has flowed back to help the poor of India.
Lets hope that the spirit of St Teresa can redress this imbalance.

haha this has to be the most unsubtle wind up I've seen.

smudge7946 said:

ValleyGary said:

smudge7946 said:

Lincsaddick said:

irrespective of miracles, the arrogant scepticism of Hutchings and the overblown claims of the Catholic church, Teresa did enormous good for the starving poor of Calcutta when the caste system, the Indian government and the bullshitting hindu intelligentsia did sweet fuck all for them ..

If we are having a go a St Teresa, the India government and Hindu intelligentsia, there is another massive group that have massively let down the poor and needy of India; Emigrant Indians. Millions came over to Great Britain, benefited, shared in and created the wealth of this great country, yet not enough has flowed back to help the poor of India.
Lets hope that the spirit of St Teresa can redress this imbalance.

haha this has to be the most unsubtle wind up I've seen.

Yet you allow abuse aimed at millions of Catholics and the comparison of one of most compassionate women of the last century to mass murderer Harold Shipman to pass without comment.

She's a fucking criminal. Fuck her.

IdleHans said:

smudge7946 said:

ValleyGary said:

smudge7946 said:

Lincsaddick said:

irrespective of miracles, the arrogant scepticism of Hutchings and the overblown claims of the Catholic church, Teresa did enormous good for the starving poor of Calcutta when the caste system, the Indian government and the bullshitting hindu intelligentsia did sweet fuck all for them ..

If we are having a go a St Teresa, the India government and Hindu intelligentsia, there is another massive group that have massively let down the poor and needy of India; Emigrant Indians. Millions came over to Great Britain, benefited, shared in and created the wealth of this great country, yet not enough has flowed back to help the poor of India.
Lets hope that the spirit of St Teresa can redress this imbalance.

haha this has to be the most unsubtle wind up I've seen.

Yet you allow abuse aimed at millions of Catholics and the comparison of one of most compassionate women of the last century to mass murderer Harold Shipman to pass without comment.

I'd say the abuse is aimed at the catholic church, an evil institution of many centuries standing, rather than catholics per se. I reckon the church can stand it.
We'll have to disagree re your assertion she was one of the most compassionate women of the last century, as there's plenty in the foregoing to suggest she was a duplicitous fraud.

I dont think we'll persuade one another from our firmly held opinions though.

Being nasty against a diversity strand is disgusting. However its best to take your bigotry out against Catholics. They don't complain and they will forgive you.