The story is either an exposé of a lying fantasist or fake news to prop up Labour support in the heartlands. Most people's minds will have been made up before they finish reading the headline.
Of course The Guardian has no reason to be sensationalist about this.
OK. I'll bite.
There have been millions of words written about the Hillsbrough disaster and its aftermath. Many columns, articles and opinions expressed have been sensationalist in their tone. And some have twisted the events, the truth and the facts utterly and completely. there has been utterly shameful reporting about what went on: reports in which deliberate lies were manufactured in the most abhorrent and utterly disgusting ways.
@cafcnick1992 If, by "sensationalist", you mean "presenting a story in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy", can you point out which part of the article you're referring to?
Or, if you're using a different definition of the word, can you explain what it is?
Newspapers reported last year that he was a Hillsborough survivor and there was no controversy. Now it's big news? Smells like a dirty smear campaign to me, but others have pointed out small inconsistencies in his behaviour. But it's a really odd one if it's a lie. It's easier to call him a liar based on the allegation he never came forward to the police (have all those fans who attended the game come forward? Unlikely) or that he never talks about it (Murray never talks about Dunblane but that doesn't mean he wasn't there. Very common for people present at disasters to not talk about their experiences) than it is for him to prove he was there.
Not saying I believe him but it seems that the most vocal accusers are doing it purely for political reasons and assuming he is guilty just because he is UKIP.
a bit like when England won the world cup .. hundreds of thousands of wannabes were at both Wembley and Hillsborough, not .. as for Nuttcake, would be so unlike a politician to tell porkies
I understand he scored a hat trick for Tranmere Rovers in their European Champions League final against Barcelona, so it is a bit ironic that now he wants to dismantle Europe.
I understand he scored a hat trick for Tranmere Rovers in their European Champions League final against Barcelona, so it is a bit ironic that now he wants to dismantle Europe.
Blimey, newfound respect for him. Whatever you think about his political stance, that is impressive
Newspapers reported last year that he was a Hillsborough survivor and there was no controversy. Now it's big news? Smells like a dirty smear campaign to me, but others have pointed out small inconsistencies in his behaviour. But it's a really odd one if it's a lie. It's easier to call him a liar based on the allegation he never came forward to the police (have all those fans who attended the game come forward? Unlikely) or that he never talks about it (Murray never talks about Dunblane but that doesn't mean he wasn't there. Very common for people present at disasters to not talk about their experiences) than it is for him to prove he was there.
Not saying I believe him but it seems that the most vocal accusers are doing it purely for political reasons and assuming he is guilty just because he is UKIP.
He's fighting a high-profile by-election in which his honesty has already been questioned over giving a false (in terms of electoral law) address. It's hardly surprising if he's under much more scrutiny than previously as a consequence - it's what happens in elections.
Newspapers reported last year that he was a Hillsborough survivor and there was no controversy. Now it's big news? Smells like a dirty smear campaign to me, but others have pointed out small inconsistencies in his behaviour. But it's a really odd one if it's a lie. It's easier to call him a liar based on the allegation he never came forward to the police (have all those fans who attended the game come forward? Unlikely) or that he never talks about it (Murray never talks about Dunblane but that doesn't mean he wasn't there. Very common for people present at disasters to not talk about their experiences) than it is for him to prove he was there.
Not saying I believe him but it seems that the most vocal accusers are doing it purely for political reasons and assuming he is guilty just because he is UKIP.
He's fighting a high-profile by-election in which his honesty has already been questioned over giving a false (in terms of electoral law) address. It's hardly surprising if he's under much more scrutiny than previously as a consequence - it's what happens in elections.
I understand why the smears are happening now, I'm simply of the opinion that no one thought he was lying until they realised he might win the by-election.
Newspapers reported last year that he was a Hillsborough survivor and there was no controversy. Now it's big news? Smells like a dirty smear campaign to me, but others have pointed out small inconsistencies in his behaviour. But it's a really odd one if it's a lie. It's easier to call him a liar based on the allegation he never came forward to the police (have all those fans who attended the game come forward? Unlikely) or that he never talks about it (Murray never talks about Dunblane but that doesn't mean he wasn't there. Very common for people present at disasters to not talk about their experiences) than it is for him to prove he was there.
Not saying I believe him but it seems that the most vocal accusers are doing it purely for political reasons and assuming he is guilty just because he is UKIP.
He's fighting a high-profile by-election in which his honesty has already been questioned over giving a false (in terms of electoral law) address. It's hardly surprising if he's under much more scrutiny than previously as a consequence - it's what happens in elections.
I understand why the smears are happening now, I'm simply of the opinion that no one thought he was lying until they realised he might win the by-election.
Having seen him on TV he seemed full of bullshit - about as credible as Farage saying he's not part of the elite.
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Eh?
lying doesn't reflect well on him for obvious reasons, but if he's telling the truth then why didn't he come forward and help police inquiries?
There have been millions of words written about the Hillsbrough disaster and its aftermath. Many columns, articles and opinions expressed have been sensationalist in their tone. And some have twisted the events, the truth and the facts utterly and completely. there has been utterly shameful reporting about what went on: reports in which deliberate lies were manufactured in the most abhorrent and utterly disgusting ways.
@cafcnick1992 If, by "sensationalist", you mean "presenting a story in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy", can you point out which part of the article you're referring to?
Or, if you're using a different definition of the word, can you explain what it is?
Newspapers reported last year that he was a Hillsborough survivor and there was no controversy. Now it's big news? Smells like a dirty smear campaign to me, but others have pointed out small inconsistencies in his behaviour. But it's a really odd one if it's a lie. It's easier to call him a liar based on the allegation he never came forward to the police (have all those fans who attended the game come forward? Unlikely) or that he never talks about it (Murray never talks about Dunblane but that doesn't mean he wasn't there. Very common for people present at disasters to not talk about their experiences) than it is for him to prove he was there.
Not saying I believe him but it seems that the most vocal accusers are doing it purely for political reasons and assuming he is guilty just because he is UKIP.
as for Nuttcake, would be so unlike a politician to tell porkies
See Corbyn seems to be able to find a seat on the train now he made his point