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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • I can't see anything other than a hung parliament. Lots of people will be pissed off at the Tories and May. But at he same time Corbyn won't get enough to turn it around. Lib Dems will rpobably get a few seats back. UKIP may get one or two. SNP wll serge north of the boarder.
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    At least it gives Labour a chance to get rid of Corbyn in 2017 instead of waiting until after he would have lost in 2020.

    Yeah. John McDonnell will have Labour voters flooding back and the Tories bricking it.

    The Labour Party is done for. It's been hijacked by the extreme left and that isn't going to change now. They will elect loser after loser until they disappear into the Permanant talking shop Corbyn has presided over.

    The only good news I see is that post this election we might see the emergence of a fledgling centre left party. Will take years to come together but by god the country needs an opposition.

  • Brilliant move by May. She realises that the majority of people voted Brexit and the majority still wNt Brexit .

    No idea where you get that idea from. Was it written on a bus?

  • I can't see anything other than a hung parliament. Lots of people will be pissed off at the Tories and May. But at he same time Corbyn won't get enough to turn it around. Lib Dems will rpobably get a few seats back. UKIP may get one or two. SNP wll serge north of the boarder.

    Unless Murdoch (or the Russians) decide otherwise, I can't see anything other than a stronger Tory majority after the election.

    I've never voted anything other than Labour but couldn't vote for them at the moment - it doesn't mean that I'll vote Tory of course but I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone being in this position and that will split the old labour vote. The Lib-Dems would be the main beneficiaries would be my guess but not in a significant enough way for it to be meaningful.
  • Fumbluff said:

    I'm stunned by this, how can they call it so soon. Some of the candidates need time to get their costumes dry-cleaned, some their names changed (either for novelty purposes or to avoid any salacious stories on Google) and some need to fabricate friendships and conjure up stories about the various disasters they believe they might have attended.
    None of this shit just happens by itself overnight. Theresa is just inconsiderate. There I've said it.

    A considerable number will have to find new homes (at least to rent) in the constituency they hope to represent too.
  • Yeah. John McDonnell will have Labour voters flooding back and the Tories bricking it.

    The Labour Party is done for. It's been hijacked by the extreme left and that isn't going to change now. They will elect loser after loser until they disappear into the Permanant talking shop Corbyn has presided over.

    The only good news I see is that post this election we might see the emergence of a fledgling centre left party. Will take years to come together but by god the country needs an opposition.

    Maybe if the centre of the party offered a credible candidate it might be different. When you have someone like @Fiiish missing Ed Milliband, you know you are in trouble.
  • Yeah. John McDonnell will have Labour voters flooding back and the Tories bricking it.

    The Labour Party is done for. It's been hijacked by the extreme left and that isn't going to change now. They will elect loser after loser until they disappear into the Permanant talking shop Corbyn has presided over.

    The only good news I see is that post this election we might see the emergence of a fledgling centre left party. Will take years to come together but by god the country needs an opposition.

    Extreme left?
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  • Fiiish said:

    What are the odds Labour will try to make the election about the NHS and not Brexit?

    This is not a second referendum by proxy, it is a General Election, and we should treat it as such. I felt that a Leave win in last years referendum would distract the general public from many of the big issues we face as a country for the next 5 years, and I fear that may be the case.

    Britain's exit from the EU will obviously be a big talking point, and rightly so, however we ought to remember that there are many other issues in our country right now of which chronic under-funding of the NHS is one.

    What's more I feel confident when I say that a failing NHS will have a much bigger impact on the lives of most of us as opposed to whether it is Brussels's bureaucrats or our bureaucrats who govern us.
  • This is not a second referendum by proxy, it is a General Election, and we should treat it as such. I felt that a Leave win in last years referendum would distract the general public from many of the big issues we face as a country for the next 5 years, and I fear that may be the case.

    Britain's exit from the EU will obviously be a big talking point, and rightly so, however we ought to remember that there are many other issues in our country right now of which chronic under-funding of the NHS is one.

    What's more I feel confident when I say that a failing NHS will have a much bigger impact on the lives of most of us as opposed to whether it is Brussels's bureaucrats or our bureaucrats who govern us.
    It will but people are more interested in waving flags.
  • Chizz said:

    Hi @Bow_Addick - you have asked @Jodaius to produce some more lies - apart from the £350m a week to be spent on the NHS whopper - that we were sold during the Brexit referendum. But I hope you don't mind me jumping in to remind everyone of some of the lies the official leave campaigns told during the campaign. This - as @Jodaius has said - is not meant to re-open that debate, but to reinforce the point @Jodaius made, which is that this time, we should make sure we are properly, accurately and accountably informed. Democracy works best when the electorate isn't lied to.

    Can I add a few?

    - £111.8bn of new spending commitments. These were lies

    - A fall in net migration as a result of "taking back control of our borders". Brexit has had no effect on our ability to control migration from outside the EU. And since Brexit we still do not have a solution as to how we can control our land border with the EU. These were lies.

    - Staying in the single market ("Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Daniel Hannan. "Only a madman woud leave the market", Owen Paterson. "Increasingly the Norwegian option looks the best for the UK" Arron Banks). All lies.

    - We were told we couldn't prevent Turkey joining the EU - that was a lie.

    - Likewise we were told we could not prevent a European Army - another lie.

    - We are liable for eurzone bailouts. A lie.

    - EU law is adopted by unlected buraucrats. Thankfully (although too late) everyone now understands this was a lie.

    - EU "health tourism" costs the NHS billions. It doesn't; it's a lie.

    - The EU prevents the UK from deporting EU criminals. This is a lie.

    - 70% of our laws come from the EU. This is yet another lie.

    - The EU budget ceiling can rise without our input. Not true - this is a lie.

    - "We were told we were only joining a free-trade area. "No-one told us that it was more than that". This is a lie.
    This is why we need a 2nd referendum on what is eventually negotiated by May and co. Let the people decide not the Tory Party - May is only calling this election because Corbyn has presented her with the opportunity to keep the decision within the Tory Party.
  • Maybe if the centre of the party offered a credible candidate it might be different. When you have someone like Fiiish missing Ed Milliband, you know you are in trouble.
    By someone like me, I assume someone who wants a credible opposition?
  • colthe3rd said:

    Extreme left?
    Yes Baldric, the extreme left.
  • Yes Baldric, the extreme left.
    Quite the hyperbole there, he's left wing but far from extreme left.
  • dizzee said:

    Is this where we vote Wenger out?

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  • colthe3rd said:

    Quite the hyperbole there, he's left wing but far from extreme left.
    The party has been hijacked. The system for electing the leader means that all the extreme left nut jobs including Momentum have found a home and a way of having a left wing leader with extreme left wing policies or he's /She's out.
    Corbyn himself is extreme left by modern political standards. His policies not moved on since the seventies. Anyone that thinks the Labour Party will elect post Corbyn anyone other than another left winger who is seen by the public as unelectable is I'm afraid mistaken. That's why labour is moribund.

  • Well, this is going to bring forward the end of Simon Burns in Chelmsford. Good MP though his voting record was of a man utterly opposed to the progress of humanity. What worries me is that Chelmsford is such a safe Tory seat they will use it to bring in some fresh faced hopeful formal political advisor. Or Katie Hopkins.
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  • The party has been hijacked. The system for electing the leader means that all the extreme left nut jobs including Momentum have found a home and a way of having a left wing leader with extreme left wing policies or he's /She's out.
    Corbyn himself is extreme left by modern political standards. His policies not moved on since the seventies. Anyone that thinks the Labour Party will elect post Corbyn anyone other than another left winger who is seen by the public as unelectable is I'm afraid mistaken. That's why labour is moribund.

    Corbyn won the 2nd of his leadership elections by ~120,000 votes. If any non-extreme left nut jobs want someone else then just get 121,000 people to join up and vote for that candidate. That's what Corbyn did!
  • Which seat will have the misfortune of Nigel Farage fighting for it? Anyone know?
  • rananegra said:

    Yes, but it is just a bit of rhetoric. Great in this sense means big - and it comes from a translation of the French - Grande Bretagne as opposed to Bretagne, which is Brittany. We're Big Britain and Brittany is
    effectively Little Britain.

    So all this "make Britain great again" is about making it bigger rather than greater in the modern sense. I suppose we could reclaim a few coastal marshes.
    Beat me to it. It's geography, not rhetoric.

    The UK (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) – a sovereign state that includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
    Great Britain (Grand Bretagne - To distinguish between it and Little Britain - Bretagne)– an island situated off the north west coast of Europe.
    British Isles – a collection of over 6,000 islands, of which Great Britain is the largest.
    England – a country within the UK which is not a sovereign state
    Scotland - a country within the UK that is not a sovereign state but wants to be.
  • Rizzo said:

    Corbyn won the 2nd of his leadership elections by ~120,000 votes. If any non-extreme left nut jobs want someone else then just get 121,000 people to join up and vote for that candidate. That's what Corbyn did!
    But it won't happen. The majority of traditional moderate centre left labour voters are not and never have been Labour Party members. They turn up and vote labour at the polls but have no wish to join a political party. Yes it's to a certain extent apathy but that's exactly why the system of electing the Labour Party leader was tailor made for a left wing coup.

    All it means in reality is that people like me that have never voted anything other than labour in 43 years of voting are now politically homeless.

  • The party has been hijacked. The system for electing the leader means that all the extreme left nut jobs including Momentum have found a home and a way of having a left wing leader with extreme left wing policies or he's /She's out.
    Corbyn himself is extreme left by modern political standards. His policies not moved on since the seventies. Anyone that thinks the Labour Party will elect post Corbyn anyone other than another left winger who is seen by the public as unelectable is I'm afraid mistaken. That's why labour is moribund.

    Disagree on your first part but agree on the second. It was a fair way of electing a leader, it was just exploited better by Corbyn. Anyone could have signed up if they cared enough about who leads the party. And on your point about him being extreme left by modern standards is quite a sad indictment of how right wing politics has become in the modern day. I still wouldn't say he is extreme left but yes he is much further left than the general political landscape at the moment.
  • colthe3rd said:

    Disagree on your first part but agree on the second. It was a fair way of electing a leader, it was just exploited better by Corbyn. Anyone could have signed up if they cared enough about who leads the party. And on your point about him being extreme left by modern standards is quite a sad indictment of how right wing politics has become in the modern day. I still wouldn't say he is extreme left but yes he is much further left than the general political landscape at the moment.
    So it's fair that Len McClusky of Unite has the say on who leads the Labour Party.

    Not for me it isn't. Apart from being a Labour Party voter and sometime party member I have also been a trade unionist all my working life and up until November of last year was Chair of the South East region of a trade union. My labour credentials are credible.

    Will I vote for Corbyn ? Will I f**k.

  • Maybe an essay question in this year's Government and Politics A-level could go something like:
    'Compare and contrast how Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May became leaders of their respective parties'.
  • This is a cynical exercise by May and this is in the interests of the party and not the country. The fixed term parliament legislation is utterly pointless if it's so easy to bypass.

    We are in danger of becoming a one party state with no effective opposition - there will be no proper debate over the terms of Brexit.

    Corbyn's response will be useless and I'm sure the turnout will be pitiful.

  • colthe3rd said:

    Disagree on your first part but agree on the second. It was a fair way of electing a leader, it was just exploited better by Corbyn. Anyone could have signed up if they cared enough about who leads the party. And on your point about him being extreme left by modern standards is quite a sad indictment of how right wing politics has become in the modern day. I still wouldn't say he is extreme left but yes he is much further left than the general political landscape at the moment.
    Corbyn is far left by Labour party standards. Even ignoring New Labour, they're previous 2 PMs Wilson and Callaghan were centrist politicians. For every Tony Benn, there were Roy Jenkins, Dennis Healey and Shirley Williams
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