I welcome the news. It is the last chance for the country to stop the disaster that is Brexit. I am not concerned about the national opinion polls. Labour won't lose any seats in London or Scotland. Any sensible Labour voter in the South West is going to vote Liberal Democrat. Any sensible Lib Dem voter in the North will vote Labour. It will be interesting to see how the opinion polls move over the next few weeks in those seats with traditionally high Lib Dem votes.
You do realise that outside the urban trendy areas, the North of England was heavily pro Brexit?
Yes, but about a million of those Brexit voters have died since the referendum vote. Actually, I have no idea how many have died, but it will be a lot more than the number of Remain voters who have died.
You are forgetting that the UK demographics mean that the grey majority will have increased regardless of the death rate.
Doesn't work like that. Surveys show most people are still entrenched in their Brexit/Remain views. Remain voters are not going to change their view just because they are one year older. And the younger generation, including the section of the population that were too young to vote last June cannot be in any doubt now, after the post referendum debate, about how their futures are being screwed over by the older generation, and will be more motivated to actually get off their arses and vote.
Not entirely, many people who voted Remain, have accepted that the Brexit side won the referendum, and thus it is democratically correct that it should be carried out.
That doesn't mean that specific aspects can't be debated/argued over, but the general principle of Brexit has been decided
This is going to be a nightmare for me. For the first time in years I am back on the Eltham electoral roll. Clive Efford is the sitting MP, and he is well known for his excellent constituency work. He has materially helped my family (as recorded here) and is one of the most active pro football fan MPs in the house.I think he is pro Remain, and he is deffo not a Corbynista. Yet a vote for Labour in this election will be taken by Corbyn as a vote for him.
How much chance do the Tories have of grabbing the seat, anyone know?
It was pretty close last election 18,300 v 15,700. UKIP in 3rd with 6K or so
I welcome the news. It is the last chance for the country to stop the disaster that is Brexit. I am not concerned about the national opinion polls. Labour won't lose any seats in London or Scotland. Any sensible Labour voter in the South West is going to vote Liberal Democrat. Any sensible Lib Dem voter in the North will vote Labour. It will be interesting to see how the opinion polls move over the next few weeks in those seats with traditionally high Lib Dem votes.
You do realise that outside the urban trendy areas, the North of England was heavily pro Brexit?
Yes, but about a million of those Brexit voters have died since the referendum vote. Actually, I have no idea how many have died, but it will be a lot more than the number of Remain voters who have died.
You are forgetting that the UK demographics mean that the grey majority will have increased regardless of the death rate.
Doesn't work like that. Surveys show most people are still entrenched in their Brexit/Remain views. Remain voters are not going to change their view just because they are one year older. And the younger generation, including the section of the population that were too young to vote last June cannot be in any doubt now, after the post referendum debate, about how their futures are being screwed over by the older generation, and will be more motivated to actually get off their arses and vote.
So, that is your opinion, and one you will get a lot of positive reinforcement for on here. Imagine now, a parallel universe, let's call it, say, the North, where someone is having the exact same topic and discussion, but instead of the vast majority being rabid one minded remainers, it is full of instead, rabid, one minded Brexiters, I can see them saying the exact same thing. All of the pro Brexit posts get likes and all all of the pro remain posts get ridicule (and a few lols).
You are absolutely right. But, they won't be able to claim that more Remain voters than Brexit voters have died since last June.
They might claim that millions of them have made good on their promises to move to Ireland/Canada or whatever nonsense they came out with if Brexit happened though... Also, they would possibly point to the fact that 69% of people believe that Brexit should go ahead, or the fact that more people still think Britain was right to vote Brexit than wrong (44 to 43%), and here's some actual statistics that are probably more substantial than the back of a fag packet calculation that guy had done on Twitter, or some of the even lazier things in here.
Well I'm voting for Europe - would rather there be a coalition of tories, labour, liberals etc... who want to save us from the imending disaster! Not a lot of time, but now is the moment!
This is going to be a nightmare for me. For the first time in years I am back on the Eltham electoral roll. Clive Efford is the sitting MP, and he is well known for his excellent constituency work. He has materially helped my family (as recorded here) and is one of the most active pro football fan MPs in the house.I think he is pro Remain, and he is deffo not a Corbynista. Yet a vote for Labour in this election will be taken by Corbyn as a vote for him.
How much chance do the Tories have of grabbing the seat, anyone know?
I have the same dilemma PA. Clive is a good constituency MP but his seat at the last election was one considered to be in danger. I doubt things have improved for him since then. One thing to note. Although a remain supporter he has been on tv saying that the will of the people blah blah and voted with the government on the Brexit bill. He's not unique there of course but it hugely diminishes my chances of voting for him regardless of his previous good work.
At least it gives Labour a chance to get rid of Corbyn in 2017 instead of waiting until after he would have lost in 2020.
Yeah. John McDonnell will have Labour voters flooding back and the Tories bricking it.
The Labour Party is done for. It's been hijacked by the extreme left and that isn't going to change now. They will elect loser after loser until they disappear into the Permanant talking shop Corbyn has presided over.
The only good news I see is that post this election we might see the emergence of a fledgling centre left party. Will take years to come together but by god the country needs an opposition.
Maybe if the centre of the party offered a credible candidate it might be different. When you have someone like Fiiish missing Ed Milliband, you know you are in trouble.
By someone like me, I assume someone who wants a credible opposition?
Yes mate. Wasn't meant as a slight, it just made me laugh.
The way I see it - both Corbyn and May were remainers in name only - in reality they were always secret Brexiters for completely different reasons, but Brexiters all the same. The issue is far more important than party politics and if May wins the election by a landslide, she will have free rein to stitch us up in negotiations. Remainers have to look beyond who they normally vote for and vote tactically!
As somebody who has voted Labour all my life - the two parties I can't vote for are Labour and the Conservatives in the upcoming election.
The way I see it - both Corbyn and May were remainers in name only - in reality they were always secret Brexiters for completely differnet reasons, but Brexiters all the same. The issue is far more important than party politics and if May wins the election by a landslide, she will have free rein to stitch us up in negotiations. Remainers have to look beyond who they normally vote for and vote tactically!
Well I'm voting for Europe - would rather there be a coalition of tories, labour, liberals etc... who want to save us from the imending disaster! Not a lot of time, but now is the moment!
Is making Final Countdown the new national anthem their flagship policy?
This is going to be a nightmare for me. For the first time in years I am back on the Eltham electoral roll. Clive Efford is the sitting MP, and he is well known for his excellent constituency work. He has materially helped my family (as recorded here) and is one of the most active pro football fan MPs in the house.I think he is pro Remain, and he is deffo not a Corbynista. Yet a vote for Labour in this election will be taken by Corbyn as a vote for him.
How much chance do the Tories have of grabbing the seat, anyone know?
I can't really see the dilemma, to be honest. Corbyn is not going to be Prime Minister and will be gone by the end of June; voting for any other party will help the Tory candidate win.
@Chizz Please provide sources for each of your claims. And not just links to newspapers, I want proper proof of everything you've put forward please......
Sure. I normally charge £275 an hour. But, if you promise to read through it all, I will pop it on here later this evening, gratis. I can't promise it will be particularly fascinating reading though. Give me - let's say - three hours. Because I am working right now. In the meantime, can you do me a favour? Can you set out the reasons why you think we weren't lied to by the Leave campaign? Maybe just the top dozen or so reasons. A soon as you have done that, I will qualify the facts I put up earlier.
This is going to be a nightmare for me. For the first time in years I am back on the Eltham electoral roll. Clive Efford is the sitting MP, and he is well known for his excellent constituency work. He has materially helped my family (as recorded here) and is one of the most active pro football fan MPs in the house.I think he is pro Remain, and he is deffo not a Corbynista. Yet a vote for Labour in this election will be taken by Corbyn as a vote for him.
How much chance do the Tories have of grabbing the seat, anyone know?
I can't really see the dilemma, to be honest. Corbyn is not going to be Prime Minister and will be gone by the end of June; voting for any other party will help the Tory candidate win.
So, let's me get this right... Cameron calls a referendum and leads the 'remain' campaign, but promises, if Britain votes to leave, he'll trigger Article 50 straight away and stay on as PM to oversee the negotiations.
Minutes after the vote is announced Cameron quits, leaving someone else to clean up the mess.
Boris Johnson, leading the 'leave' campaign (no doubt, in part, to promote his bid for the leadership) becomes favourite to succeed Cameron.
His right-hand man in the 'leave' campaign, Michael Gove (a man who's publicly stated on numerous occasions that he has no desire to become PM), announces his candidature.
The hierarchy in the Conservative party persuade Boris to back down (don't worry Boris old boy, there'll be a knighthood and a nice company directorship in it for you), leaving Gove, May and a third, almost unknown, outsider.
Low and behold, Gove then pulls out of the race (don't worry Michael - you'll be Lord Gove soon), and May and the other woman go through.
And then, what do you know? The second candidate miraculously pulls out too (don't worry, there'll be a nice Baroness title and a seat on some board for you too dear), leaving May the winner by default. The very same Theresa May who was a fervant campigner for 'remain'. You couldn't make it up.
And now they'll all ask us to vote for them again so they can continue to stick their noses in the trough and ride the gravy train? How anyone can seriously consider voting for this lot is beyond me, it really is.
It would be nice to see Corbyn surprise everyone although, frankly, I somehow doubt it. Hopefully the performance of the extreme left Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the Presidential here in France will give an indication - he's currently on about 20% and could make it through to the 2nd round and run off against, I assume, Le Pen.
I must admit I was for the 'leave' campaign, even though it could make life difficult for me living in a European country; but there's no democracy in the EU and it's run by lobby groups and ultra-liberals with no interest in Europeans themselves.
The whole thing is an unmitigated disaster... Britain voted to leave. We can't keep having elections and referenda every six months until people eventually vote yes to remain.
There have been cuts across the board in public spending, but here May decides she's going to waste even more taxpayer money by calling an election, for no particular reason whatsoever. I hope, rather like Brown tried to slip in on the coat tails of Bliar, it all backfires in her face.
They say a country gets the politicans it deserves...!
Fiiish is the one in Game Of Thrones (which I don't watch) who presumably owns a fancy chess set and presides over the whole kingdom from his lofty quarters, occasionally moving a knight back and forth, pontificating about whether the time is right or not. He's that one.
Fiiish is the one in Game Of Thrones (which I don't watch) who presumably owns a fancy chess set and presides over the whole kingdom from his lofty quarters, occasionally moving a knight back and forth, pontificating about whether the time is right or not. He's that one.
I've watched all of GoT...is that a character?
As much as the one whose catchphrase is 'cor blimey, he's got a sword!'
This is going to be a nightmare for me. For the first time in years I am back on the Eltham electoral roll. Clive Efford is the sitting MP, and he is well known for his excellent constituency work. He has materially helped my family (as recorded here) and is one of the most active pro football fan MPs in the house.I think he is pro Remain, and he is deffo not a Corbynista. Yet a vote for Labour in this election will be taken by Corbyn as a vote for him.
How much chance do the Tories have of grabbing the seat, anyone know?
I have the same dilemma PA. Clive is a good constituency MP but his seat at the last election was one considered to be in danger. I doubt things have improved for him since then. One thing to note. Although a remain supporter he has been on tv saying that the will of the people blah blah and voted with the government on the Brexit bill. He's not unique there of course but it hugely diminishes my chances of voting for him regardless of his previous good work.
Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that Clive Efford is a Spanner.
To be honest I grew up with Clive as my local MP, and now have Harriet Harman, both fine and I have always voted Labour but I can't this time round. It will have to be Lib Dem, maybe Green.
The media keep referring to this as a 'snap' general election, but my understanding of that was one called with the minimum required 3 weeks notice (in fact 17 working days).
But this one will take place in 7 weeks time - so hardly 'snap' - and a lot can happen in a 7 week general election.....
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That doesn't mean that specific aspects can't be debated/argued over, but the general principle of Brexit has been decided
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/
As somebody who has voted Labour all my life - the two parties I can't vote for are Labour and the Conservatives in the upcoming election.
Minutes after the vote is announced Cameron quits, leaving someone else to clean up the mess.
Boris Johnson, leading the 'leave' campaign (no doubt, in part, to promote his bid for the leadership) becomes favourite to succeed Cameron.
His right-hand man in the 'leave' campaign, Michael Gove (a man who's publicly stated on numerous occasions that he has no desire to become PM), announces his candidature.
The hierarchy in the Conservative party persuade Boris to back down (don't worry Boris old boy, there'll be a knighthood and a nice company directorship in it for you), leaving Gove, May and a third, almost unknown, outsider.
Low and behold, Gove then pulls out of the race (don't worry Michael - you'll be Lord Gove soon), and May and the other woman go through.
And then, what do you know? The second candidate miraculously pulls out too (don't worry, there'll be a nice Baroness title and a seat on some board for you too dear), leaving May the winner by default. The very same Theresa May who was a fervant campigner for 'remain'. You couldn't make it up.
And now they'll all ask us to vote for them again so they can continue to stick their noses in the trough and ride the gravy train? How anyone can seriously consider voting for this lot is beyond me, it really is.
It would be nice to see Corbyn surprise everyone although, frankly, I somehow doubt it. Hopefully the performance of the extreme left Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the Presidential here in France will give an indication - he's currently on about 20% and could make it through to the 2nd round and run off against, I assume, Le Pen.
I must admit I was for the 'leave' campaign, even though it could make life difficult for me living in a European country; but there's no democracy in the EU and it's run by lobby groups and ultra-liberals with no interest in Europeans themselves.
The whole thing is an unmitigated disaster... Britain voted to leave. We can't keep having elections and referenda every six months until people eventually vote yes to remain.
There have been cuts across the board in public spending, but here May decides she's going to waste even more taxpayer money by calling an election, for no particular reason whatsoever. I hope, rather like Brown tried to slip in on the coat tails of Bliar, it all backfires in her face.
They say a country gets the politicans it deserves...!
To be honest I grew up with Clive as my local MP, and now have Harriet Harman, both fine and I have always voted Labour but I can't this time round. It will have to be Lib Dem, maybe Green.
But this one will take place in 7 weeks time - so hardly 'snap' - and a lot can happen in a 7 week general election.....