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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • Sorry? So why is the Tory manifesto uncosted? Why not criticise them for a manifesto that thwy haven't the nerve (or the wit) to price? Criticise Labour, but in this case tge Yories are even more culpable.
    Because they don't have a scooby too what it will cost or how the economy is going to move post Brexit. If the economy can't fund the spending, a government has to take decisions - set priorities, cut spending, tax or borrow.

    If May thought she could get away with not having to pretend she knew where we are heading, and making promises just to meet voters' expectations to be bribed, I guess she was wrong.

    Do you think just because Corbyn got a maths student to cobble up some figures to show the policies had been costed, that the leadership didn't even bother to jot down, they are worth anything more than yesterdays' chip paper?

    Parties decide what they want to promise, then make the assumptions to make the figures add up. Just because you can magic up costs doesn't mean you can magic up the money to match what you actually have to spend.
  • Because they don't have a scooby too what it will cost or how the economy is going to move post Brexit. If the economy can't fund the spending, a government has to take decisions - set priorities, cut spending, tax or borrow.

    If May thought she could get away with not having to pretend she knew where we are heading, and making promises just to meet voters' expectations to be bribed, I guess she was wrong.

    Do you think just because Corbyn got a maths student to cobble up some figures to show the policies had been costed, that the leadership didn't even bother to jot down, they are worth anything more than yesterdays' chip paper?

    Parties decide what they want to promise, then make the assumptions to make the figures add up. Just because you can magic up costs doesn't mean you can magic up the money to match what you actually have to spend.
    Isn't this a similar argument to why Labour won't set a net migration figure? No-one knows how many extra workers the UK may or may not need to meet demand in the future and putting an arbitrary number to such a complex issue is silly.
  • That's not from Pew Research is it?

  • When your backs up against the wall, you're live one air and you just can't for the life of you remember the pass word to the fookin Ipad, remember these mortal two words - COORPERATION TAX -

    What is better, a little bit of lot, or nothing at all?

    Business will not just up and leave, the economy will not just stop. We are one of the worlds wealthiest countries, business wants to make money out of us.
  • Lol. That's straight out of the Daily Mail playbook. I've seen estimates that suggest the cuts will result in 1m jobs lost in this decade so forgive me if I don't agree they are all necessary.

    The Tories made a conscious decision to focus on cutting public spending back in 2010 to reverse the investments to our public sector and infrastructure made in the previous 13 years. They were told austerity wouldn't work by pretty much all economists at the time yet went ahead anyway and have since focussed almost exclusively on cutting costs, rather than encouraging growth. All in their failed obsession with attempting to achieve a surplus.

    These cuts are far in excess of what might have been a reasonable, careful balanced attempt at temporarily reducing public spending while the economy regained the ground lost in 2007-2010. They're ideological and look likely to damage some of our public services terminally.

    Vote for more of the same next week but don't expect there not to more and more visable consequences year after year.
    Increase in rough sleepers every where you go is very visible sign of the impacts of the last 7 years. Those voting for more of the same surely know that is just going to get worse.
  • I personally think that with the corporation tax thing, due to uncertainty in this country, Brexit, the next election etc, that doing all we can to keep these big corporations doing business and giving to our economy is the right thing. These big business are the people that employ the likes of me and you and if ontop of the big tax, the raised minimum wage (which is way to high under Labours suggestion imo) they're not gaining great profit then they'll either cut jobs or they'll do business over seas, thus leaving a lot of people unemployed. Maybe cuts could have been taken elsewhere but I really don't think that hiking up the corporation taxes on big companies is a great idea.

    Obviously forcing the likes of Google Facebook amazon etc to pay tax (as correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they don't) would be a good idea, no one should get away with paying none! But personally I think charging more tax to companies and our highest contributors could be counter productive

    By the way that's an interesting chart, thanks for posting that
    I thought you were a strong-willed, independent young man with a proud family history of hard work and workers' rights? Because this is the rhetoric of a turkey, and this election shall be Christmas. Unless you actually really like being on the wrong end of feudalism?
  • Leuth said:

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  • Sod it, it always happens when there is too much in the quote section.
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    seth plum said:

    Leuth thank you.
    For feudalism.
    I choice reminder of the journey the people have been on for centuries, and of the place some Tory minded people (know your bloody place oik!) would like to return us to.
    Can't continue, got to go and join my local fyrd.
    Seth, the trick is to make sure you have the same number of [blockquote class="Quote"] bits at the top, as [/blockquote] bits at the bottom ( with <> replacing [] obviously)
  • John Ball: When Adam delved and Eve sp...

    Wat Tyler: Hold up there John. I just had a thought. You know these crippling taxes and terrible work laws they've been enforcing at the point of a sword? Well haven't you considered who benefits from them?

    JB: Yes, Wat - our monstrous ungodly oppressors. What should I consider?

    WT: I just...you know, they do employ us. They do let us use their land. They do raise armies to expand their holdings and build such lovely palaces with the money we give them. I know we're starving and broken, but...aren't you a bit scared?

    JB? Scared? This is our hour! Why do you say these things?

    WT: Well, if we have things our way and stop the taxes and the work laws...maybe the King will leave?

    JB: Leave?

    WT: Or, idk, the barons will leave too! Go to France or something. Go on a Crusade! Who will rule us then?

    JB: Um...we will?

    WT: We? We are mere peasants! We need leaders, men of royal blood!

    JB: What?

    WT: Yes?
  • aliwibble, please accept my thanks for retrieving that.
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    To those who disagreed with my earlier point - I agree Greece is a basket case - it was used in the previous election as a total lie to say if you voted Labour we would be like Greece which was ridiculous. But my point was about Greece was given that it is a basket case, the solution shouldn't be to lock it into a policy that will give it no chance of sorting itself out. And that is what the Germans wanted. It is immoral IMO.

    back to this election. My prediction is if the Labour party were to do badly enough at this election, the press will offer to support a right wing Labour leader at the next election. The establishment will see this as a close shave. So it is important, even if Labour don't win,they do better than last time. I don't want teh choice of Tory light or Tory at teh next election. I want to see a vibrant, growing, caring, fairer economy. And I know it will be an economy for rich people to flourish in, Not the super rich, but rich people who are not the enemy but wealth creators, and Labour know that. People on £80k may have to pay £400 a year more under LAbour than they do now, but how much more will they have to pay under the Tories, and if they have kids going to university, old relatives etc....
  • Can I just ask that why would it be considered a u-turn by May if she turned up to the debate tonight but genius and applauded that Corbyn has done the same after previously refusing to do it?

  • bellz2002 said:

    Can I just ask that why would it be considered a u-turn by May if she turned up to the debate tonight but genius and applauded that Corbyn has done the same after previously refusing to do it?

    I kind of get that for Corbyn he has said he won't appear unless May does, now he is belittling her position by ending his own boycott so she is now the only one pathetic and weak enough to speak for herself.

    At least I assume that's how people see it.
  • So the Tories have released a statement that says Theresa May is not interested in "swapping soundbites" with six other politicians.

    The same statement ends by referring to a "coalition of chaos".

    Project fear goes in to overdrive.
    bellz2002 said:

    Can I just ask that why would it be considered a u-turn by May if she turned up to the debate tonight but genius and applauded that Corbyn has done the same after previously refusing to do it?

    It's the same way it is wiser to have no figures than it is to be fully costed. ;)
  • Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax
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  • Ha. Yeah I just don't get all this political nonsense. Will be very glad when it's all over and everyone is nice to each other again!

    Looking forward to watching the debate tonight though :joy:
  • Dazzler21 said:

    I kind of get that for Corbyn he has said he won't appear unless May does, now he is belittling her position by ending his own boycott so she is now the only one pathetic and weak enough to speak for herself.

    At least I assume that's how people see it.
    I look at it this way, regarding the first multi party TV debate, Corbyn was going to get ridiculed, and it would have been a waste of time, now 2 weeks later and he has been getting his point across and more and more are backing him, and so many more know the real JC and are liking him.
    May wont appear because as at the last TV's Audience Q and A and the Paxman interview, she will be seen as the incompetent business suit full of fuck all that she really is.
  • Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    I think we covered that one mate - the idea of a message board is you contribute and then read the responses, not to just repeat the same phrase at random without reading what anyone else has said... :wink:
  • Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    This!
  • I think we covered that one mate - the idea of a message board is you contribute and then read the responses, not to just repeat the same phrase at random without reading what anyone else has said... :wink:
    What he say?
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    Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    OK Big Rob, I give up. What the hell is Coorperation Tax??

    I'm OK on Corporation Tax, but haven't a freakin' clue what you're on about. Is this some sort of Franglais you've been afflicted by?? :smile:
  • TelMc32 said:

    OK Big Rob, I give up. What the hell is Coorperation Tax??

    I'm OK on Corporation Tax, but haven't a freakin' clue what you're on about. Is this some sort of Franglais you've been afflicted by?? :smile:
    Overdosed on crabsticks :wink:
  • Because they don't have a scooby too what it will cost or how the economy is going to move post Brexit. If the economy can't fund the spending, a government has to take decisions - set priorities, cut spending, tax or borrow.

    If May thought she could get away with not having to pretend she knew where we are heading, and making promises just to meet voters' expectations to be bribed, I guess she was wrong.

    Do you think just because Corbyn got a maths student to cobble up some figures to show the policies had been costed, that the leadership didn't even bother to jot down, they are worth anything more than yesterdays' chip paper?

    Parties decide what they want to promise, then make the assumptions to make the figures add up. Just because you can magic up costs doesn't mean you can magic up the money to match what you actually have to spend.
    Yes but it applies to both.
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