The General Election - June 8th 2017

Wow. Who is starting the "General Election November 2017" thread?

Groan...

thai malaysia addick said:

Is it just me? Haven't all the parties lost?

Tories kicked in the teeth
Labour clearly not representing the many
SNP gone downhill
Lib Dem still insignificant

I'm looking forward to all the leaders trying to say it was a success.

Wasn't the turnout up?

LuckyReds said:

@cabbles I'll be nice, and point out that your post was deleted (By AFKA), you may want to delete that one too. (as it contains it in the quote.)

I stick by my opinion expressed in my response, that you've cropped out of your quote. I could reply, but I wont; a skill I suggest you verse yourself with.

I don't feel that last jibe is entirely fair, cabbles never engages in tit for tat posts.

thai malaysia addick said:

I do wonder if the Internet or just modern day folk are purely cantankerous. When you look at the previous General Election, the Scottish Referendum, the American Election, Brexit and now this, there has been, arguably, a sizeable number of people voting in a cantankerous way. If there's another election this year, there's no knowing what would happen. The Tories can't play the strong and stable card, Labour can't offer much different, the Lib Dems can only chisel away, the SNP will have a tough job stemming the flow and UKIP will no longer exist hardly. Interesting times though not what we need, in my opinion.

Don't think Labour have to offer much different though - they seem to have found a formula which has helped them gain momentum (no pun intended) and their comeback from a terrible position when this election was announced was amazing. If the campaign had lasted another four weeks I think Labour could have been in an even stronger position.

Strong & Stable becomes Wrong & Unable.

Well I think this is fascinating. Confusing yes, but that isn't bad for the election. Firstly, don't worry about the pound - the death of hard Brexit will soon push it up when the jitterers and profiteers have had their fun. Brexit will happen - Labour and the Conservatives accept Brexit so we will have more sensible talks and none of the ridiculous posturing that May promised us. The union that would have been increasingly precarious with every year of Tory rule has been saved with the SNP faltering. We should be rejoicing.

Tories 43%, Labour 41%. Please take a step back and take that in. We all know that this election was all about opportunism and destroying the in-fighting Labour party and giving the Tories a landslide. Instead Corbyn has broken through the glass window. The 'moderate' Labour MPs who were saying he could not get votes in an election are left having to thank him for keeping their seats. I said yesterday, but people have to realise that this is not the Labour party but a movement. What Corbyn has achieved in 7 weeks from 20 to 25 percentage points behind, to only being 2 percentage points behind is unprecedented. From being a joke, he is now credible.

What we also have to look at is the Tories can I think struggle on with the help of the DUP. I think and hope this happens as teh DUP whilst being a pro Brexit party, is an anti-austerity party. Austerity is now a minority! Thank you Jeremy for challenging it. The job hasn't been completed but you are a bloody hero.

The fact that Labour are saying they will try to form a minority government is symbolic. They can on paper. In reality, they would need Sinn Fein who don't engage and they wouldn't be able to get their legislation through. But the mere fact that there is a way Corbyn could be Prime Minister is a massive development. If May stays on and bumbles along with teh help of the DUP, this will be unpopular. Labour are calling for May to resign, but they don't want her to. DOes anybody not think that if she stays on, she will not have many enemies in her own party. Corbyn has killed opposition to him and May has created opposition to her. She is so damaged that if she fought an election for the Tories, it woud not be good for them.

I thought we might have to wait 5 years for the revolution, My take on this is that we may only have to wait until the Autumn.

LuckyReds said:

Fiiish said:

LuckyReds said:

@cabbles I'll be nice, and point out that your post was deleted (By AFKA), you may want to delete that one too. (as it contains it in the quote.)

I stick by my opinion expressed in my response, that you've cropped out of your quote. I could reply, but I wont; a skill I suggest you verse yourself with.

I don't feel that last jibe is entirely fair, cabbles never engages in tit for tat posts.

With all due respect, he removed the majority of my post from that quote.

@Fiiish it appears that i did somehow remove the majority of the quote from his post. To draw a line under it, I'm saying that if it was offensive and because I've missed the majority of his post then I will hold my hands up and apologise.

Good to see i given AFKA more work as well by having to moderate the moderator.

Ibborg will be licking his lips

seth plum said:

She intends to stay on.

Probably means she'll resign by the end of the day then actually

Well, that's all turned out to be one big mess. The only plus is that Nicola Sturgeon has been put back in her box.

Which is why another election in the Autumn is now inevitable. It is like a two legged European semi final. Corbyn has got that important away goal!

NornIrishAddick said:

BR7_addick said:

If someone could shed some light in as neutral fashion as possible because my knowledge on the DUP is little to none, but are not like Northern Ireland's Tory with a hint of UKIP anyway? So such a coalition is all the same?! Genuine question. (See attached)

The rough equivalent to the Tories in Northern Ireland would have been the UUP.

The DUP are (much) more socially conservative - so they would chime with some of the older Tory supporters.

I don'treally think it would be that comfortable a coalition prospect, but this is more down to personnel than to ideology (some of their MPs I quite like, others I either don't trust or dislike).

One key difference, in the case of the person winning the South Belfast seat, captured from the SDLP, is that a DUP candidate can be endorsed by the political wing of the UDA - I'm ot so sure that that would sit too comfortably with law and order Conservatives.

In the end, the question that has to be asked is whether a coalition is worthwhile or desirable, because I would expect the DUP to extract a price.

No gay cakes.

NornIrishAddick said:

BR7_addick said:

If someone could shed some light in as neutral fashion as possible because my knowledge on the DUP is little to none, but are not like Northern Ireland's Tory with a hint of UKIP anyway? So such a coalition is all the same?! Genuine question. (See attached)

The rough equivalent to the Tories in Northern Ireland would have been the UUP.

The DUP are (much) more socially conservative - so they would chime with some of the older Tory supporters.

I don'treally think it would be that comfortable a coalition prospect, but this is more down to personnel than to ideology (some of their MPs I quite like, others I either don't trust or dislike).

One key difference, in the case of the person winning the South Belfast seat, captured from the SDLP, is that a DUP candidate can be endorsed by the political wing of the UDA - I'm ot so sure that that would sit too comfortably with law and order Conservatives.

In the end, the question that has to be asked is whether a coalition is worthwhile or desirable, because I would expect the DUP to extract a price.

Thanks for that, I read also that's DUP would be wary of a hard Brexit for the sake of unity with the border, it's all a bit confusing right now! This is no dig at any labour supporter but they seem all very excited to me but I'm not sure why, again not a dig just an observation.

MuttleyCAFC said:

Well I think this is fascinating. Confusing yes, but that isn't bad for the election. Firstly, don't worry about the pound - the death of hard Brexit will soon push it up when the jitterers and profiteers have had their fun. Brexit will happen - Labour and the Conservatives accept Brexit so we will have more sensible talks and none of the ridiculous posturing that May promised us. The union that would have been increasingly precarious with every year of Tory rule has been saved with the SNP faltering. We should be rejoicing.

Tories 43%, Labour 41%. Please take a step back and take that in. We all know that this election was all about opportunism and destroying the in-fighting Labour party and giving the Tories a landslide. Instead Corbyn has broken through the glass window. The 'moderate' Labour MPs who were saying he could not get votes in an election are left having to thank him for keeping their seats. I said yesterday, but people have to realise that this is not the Labour party but a movement. What Corbyn has achieved in 7 weeks from 20 to 25 percentage points behind, to only being 2 percentage points behind is unprecedented. From being a joke, he is now credible.

What we also have to look at is the Tories can I think struggle on with the help of the DUP. I think and hope this happens as teh DUP whilst being a pro Brexit party, is an anti-austerity party. Austerity is now a minority! Thank you Jeremy for challenging it. The job hasn't been completed but you are a bloody hero.

The fact that Labour are saying they will try to form a minority government is symbolic. They can on paper. In reality, they would need Sinn Fein who don't engage and they wouldn't be able to get their legislation through. But the mere fact that there is a way Corbyn could be Prime Minister is a massive development. If May stays on and bumbles along with teh help of the DUP, this will be unpopular. Labour are calling for May to resign, but they don't want her to. DOes anybody not think that if she stays on, she will not have many enemies in her own party. Corbyn has killed opposition to him and May has created opposition to her. She is so damaged that if she fought an election for the Tories, it woud not be good for them.

I thought we might have to wait 5 years for the revolution, My take on this is that we may only have to wait until the Autumn.

Struggling to see any positives other than the turn out TBH Muttley. Although I guess the two major parties increasing their share of the vote could be seen as a good thing, Labour up from roughly 30% to 40% and Conservatives up from roughly 37% to 42.5%.

Looking at seats you are right, but as a population we are as divided as ever if not more so, the conservatives Austerity has got a greater % vote count and so has the far left.

We'll probably be left with May as PM for a while, then who? Assuming she can form a government/majority I can see her sticking around for a while actually, not sure anyone in the Conservatives will have the stomach for another election but we'll see.

We live in a very divided society (politically) sadly, the two main parties have probably never been further apart in far laft/right views and the country is roughly split down the middle.

I view it all as sad times, very sad indeed, whichever side of the fence you sit politically, we're in a mess and it's only going to get worse.

Rob7Lee said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Well I think this is fascinating. Confusing yes, but that isn't bad for the election. Firstly, don't worry about the pound - the death of hard Brexit will soon push it up when the jitterers and profiteers have had their fun. Brexit will happen - Labour and the Conservatives accept Brexit so we will have more sensible talks and none of the ridiculous posturing that May promised us. The union that would have been increasingly precarious with every year of Tory rule has been saved with the SNP faltering. We should be rejoicing.

Tories 43%, Labour 41%. Please take a step back and take that in. We all know that this election was all about opportunism and destroying the in-fighting Labour party and giving the Tories a landslide. Instead Corbyn has broken through the glass window. The 'moderate' Labour MPs who were saying he could not get votes in an election are left having to thank him for keeping their seats. I said yesterday, but people have to realise that this is not the Labour party but a movement. What Corbyn has achieved in 7 weeks from 20 to 25 percentage points behind, to only being 2 percentage points behind is unprecedented. From being a joke, he is now credible.

What we also have to look at is the Tories can I think struggle on with the help of the DUP. I think and hope this happens as teh DUP whilst being a pro Brexit party, is an anti-austerity party. Austerity is now a minority! Thank you Jeremy for challenging it. The job hasn't been completed but you are a bloody hero.

The fact that Labour are saying they will try to form a minority government is symbolic. They can on paper. In reality, they would need Sinn Fein who don't engage and they wouldn't be able to get their legislation through. But the mere fact that there is a way Corbyn could be Prime Minister is a massive development. If May stays on and bumbles along with teh help of the DUP, this will be unpopular. Labour are calling for May to resign, but they don't want her to. DOes anybody not think that if she stays on, she will not have many enemies in her own party. Corbyn has killed opposition to him and May has created opposition to her. She is so damaged that if she fought an election for the Tories, it woud not be good for them.

I thought we might have to wait 5 years for the revolution, My take on this is that we may only have to wait until the Autumn.

Struggling to see any positives other than the turn out TBH Muttley. Although I guess the two major parties increasing their share of the vote could be seen as a good thing, Labour up from roughly 30% to 40% and Conservatives up from roughly 37% to 42.5%.

Looking at seats you are right, but as a population we are as divided as ever if not more so, the conservatives Austerity has got a greater % vote count and so has the far left.

We'll probably be left with May as PM for a while, then who? Assuming she can form a government/majority I can see her sticking around for a while actually, not sure anyone in the Conservatives will have the stomach for another election but we'll see.

We live in a very divided society (politically) sadly, the two main parties have probably never been further apart in far laft/right views and the country is roughly split down the middle.

I view it all as sad times, very sad indeed, whichever side of the fence you sit politically, we're in a mess and it's only going to get worse.

The imminent disbanding of UKIP?