The General Election - June 8th 2017
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And fox hunting will not be brought back
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David Miliband takes an interest now. What's his game?3
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I don't know enough about the DUP to have any notion of what concessions they will want to ring out of the Tories. What are their priorities ? Will they demand things that are contentious ?0
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Another question is, Could Corbyn continue this groundswell of support in a second election a few months down the road, or is this as good as it gets for him?
was this a protest about brexit stance or people buying into his model ?2 -
He was being lined up to take other from Corbyn, but the battle for the party - and that is exactly what it has been has been won by Corbyn.seth plum said:David Miliband takes an interest now. What's his game?
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No, I think you are right - there is a strong tendency towards a hard border among some DUP members. There was very little noise coming from that party about the downsides for Northern Ireland, they were very keen on the "exciting new opportunities".Bournemouth Addick said:
Is this actually true? I thought I heard just now on the Today programme that many in the DUP want the opposit and a return to "proper" borders with fences, border posts and whatnot?MuttleyCAFC said:The Peace in Ireland is now much more secure as the DUP will insist on an open border which requires a soft Brexit.
Might have been talking about someone else tbf it's been a long night...
In addition, the DUP will see their increased vote as an endorsement of their position.
I would not be surprised if they do little, if anything, to affect the general principles of Brexit.1 -
Think he might want to return but can't see him and Jezza getting on. Labour would have walked the election if David and not Ed was leader.seth plum said:David Miliband takes an interest now. What's his game?
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Pro (soft) Brexit, anti-LGBT, anti-aborition.ShootersHillGuru said:I don't know enough about the DUP to have any notion of what concessions they will want to ring out of the Tories. What are their priorities ? Will they demand things that are contentious ?
However, I can't imagine they will win any concessions on the latter two.0 -
Clive Efford returned with an increased majority. Sir Ed Davey back. Two very decent results for me there.
I hear it said that it was David Davies who pushed May into doing this. He's the bloke who will also be making judgement calls in the Brexit negotiations.5 -
May to speak from Downing St at 10.00 am0
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I was going to say the same thing.seth plum said:Mrs Plum is of the opinion that Theresa May put her party before the country, and herself before the party.
In my view power is so seductive that May will explore every option to cling on, but it won't be for the good of the country that's for sure.
This is the second time in 2 years that the Tories have recklessly put their selfish party interests ahead of the national interest with a stupid, unnecessary vote and completely shit the bed in the process.
Hopefully a good portion of the 13 million who backed a Tory will see sense and realise what utter charlatans they are. It has never been more evident how little they deserve to be anywhere near power.
Their slogan ought to be: "For ourselves, not the country."8 -
Money, and lots of it... probably.JollyRobin said:
Pro (soft) Brexit, anti-LGBT, anti-aborition.ShootersHillGuru said:I don't know enough about the DUP to have any notion of what concessions they will want to ring out of the Tories. What are their priorities ? Will they demand things that are contentious ?
However, I can't imagine they will win any concessions on the latter two.
If Ian Paisley Jr (or the late Dr Ian) was the leader, I would agree that soft Brexit would be the line - Arlene Foster is a wee bit different.3 -
Will she be calling a new election?Henry Irving said:May to speak from Downing St at 10.00 am
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They wouldn't need to. Both abortion and same-sex marriage are illegal in Northern Ireland.JollyRobin said:
Pro (soft) Brexit, anti-LGBT, anti-aborition.ShootersHillGuru said:I don't know enough about the DUP to have any notion of what concessions they will want to ring out of the Tories. What are their priorities ? Will they demand things that are contentious ?
However, I can't imagine they will win any concessions on the latter two.1 -
The Labour party needs to get some centrist players into the fold.8
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Readership numbers are down for sure, but the targeted Facebook campaign @PragueAddick referenced a lot of pages back now showed theTories were shovelling money at this. So much so I believe Prague based his prediction on it (sorry Prague, had to).guinnessaddick said:
Less and less people are reading newspapers, social media is where it's at.AFKABartram said:The other key positive is that the impact and influence of Rupert Murdoch (and to a lesser extent Trevor Kavanagh) on the United Kingdom continues to erode.
I think the right wing press went to far and people like an underdog.
Social media helps this spread, but people still rely on established routes for detailed news. In my opinion.2 -
Well done Clive.PragueAddick said:Clive Efford returned with an increased majority. Sir Ed Davey back. Two very decent results for me there.
I hear it said that it was David Davies who pushed May into doing this. He's the bloke who will also be making judgement calls in the Brexit negotiations.
David Davies is a tosser.
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The Northern Irish parties playing kingmakers has long been an issue that thankfully hasn't had to rear its head up to now. The political and ideological gulf between Stormont and Westminster is a lot more difficult to navigate than most would anticipate and I imagine any potential PM looking to the Emerald Isle as a path to power would find the journey fraught with much anger from both sides of the sea.2
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Yeah.PragueAddick said:Clive Efford returned with an increased majority. Sir Ed Davey back. Two very decent results for me there.
I hear it said that it was David Davies who pushed May into doing this. He's the bloke who will also be making judgement calls in the Brexit negotiations.
But Victoria Pizen got nowhere, lost her deposit so I understand.0 -
Agree.WSS said:The Labour party needs to get some centrist players into the fold.
How labour move forward from this is massive. No infighting and the centrist power players uniting under corbyn could see real force.
Unfortunately, the centrists turned their backs on corbyn during the repeated lynchings and I think this will not go unpunished.5 - Sponsored links:
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Winter is coming.Fiiish said:The Northern Irish parties playing kingmakers has long been an issue that thankfully hasn't had to rear its head up to now. The political and ideological gulf between Stormont and Westminster is a lot more difficult to navigate than most would anticipate and I imagine any potential PM looking to the Emerald Isle as a path to power would find the journey fraught with much anger from both sides of the sea.
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Going to be an interesting next week or so. Certainly very interesting to see what and how the Tory party handle this0
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Just been on the DUP website to try to look at their manifesto. Site is crashing with the overload of people looking to see just what they stand for.2
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The Tories spent north of six million on this campaign, more than double the Labour spend, let alone the free favours from the right wing print media.
They managed to turn a box of Thornton's into a bag of sprouts.9 -
May must go .. BUT .. which stuffed shirt is suitable to replace her ? .. answer .. no-one ..
Corbyn manages to fool lots of (especially) young people that he is the future .. yes, more attention needs to be paid to the plight of far too many young people .. BUT.. Corbyn in power with his clique ? .. NOT for me2 -
Will freely admit I'm neither educated nor particularly intelligent, so looking to take on board the views of others.
Where it comes to socialism, and the strapline 'for the many not the few' (which I think people massively bought into), isn't the fact that unemployment is at the lowest levels since 1975 not the best possible aspect of providing a platform and opportunities for all?
But Corbyn is far left and that is what rising numbers of people are apparently voting for, so why should they change?Super_Eddie_Youds said:
Agree.WSS said:The Labour party needs to get some centrist players into the fold.
How labour move forward from this is massive. No infighting and the centrist power players uniting under corbyn could see real force.
Unfortunately, the centrists turned their backs on corbyn during the repeated lynchings and I think this will not go unpunished.
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So do the Tories!WSS said:The Labour party needs to get some centrist players into the fold.
Centrist politics is a glaring gap in our political landscape at the moment.
Someone put something I found humorous on my FB feed just now......
- The Tories are in disseray
- May has failed
- Boris is a buffoon
- They gambled on Brexit and lost
- Cabinet ministers losing seats
- The weakest Tory party in years
And they got 56 more seats than the socialist revolution. They almost got an outright majority, and essentially did with the standard DUP addition. Corbyn failed to beat that shower.
Does beg the question of how much of this is Comrades coming together, and how much is down to the Tories making a total balls up of it all.
Can they get it as badly wrong when we go again?7 -
It's back to the future - returning to the 1870s-1910s....Fiiish said:The Northern Irish parties playing kingmakers has long been an issue that thankfully hasn't had to rear its head up to now. The political and ideological gulf between Stormont and Westminster is a lot more difficult to navigate than most would anticipate and I imagine any potential PM looking to the Emerald Isle as a path to power would find the journey fraught with much anger from both sides of the sea.
Though I doubt if Jeffrey Donaldson would like to be cast in the same sort of mould as Charles Stewart Parnell.1 -
Amen to that brother. Or sister, obviously.AFKABartram said:The other key positive is that the impact and influence of Rupert Murdoch (and to a lesser extent Trevor Kavanagh) on the United Kingdom continues to erode.
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Would be the smart move but I'm not sure that sits with the ideology first that Corbyn's Labour stand for.WSS said:The Labour party needs to get some centrist players into the fold.
Certainly this result makes the possibility of a new centre left party emerging far more unlikely than I thought.
Corbyn has I must admit played a blinder.
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