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  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    The trouble with having 2 or 3 debutants, is invariably they never do well initially, and that adds pressure on the other batsmen.Though I'm s sure someone will tell me differently.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    The_President said:

    Balance *might* have a broken finger, x-rays today.
    Wood, im not surprised if he does have an injury, as his body cant seem to stand up to the rigours of back-to-back Test.
    Woakes apparently isn't fit until Windies.

    If it's not broken on the way in, I'm confident someone could break it on the way out :smile:
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    killerandflash said:


    Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision

    Which will mean they will unlikely to drop Jennings. Bring Stoneman in for Balance, and another bat/spinner for Dawson - maybe Samit Patel because he gives you both.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    The_President said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    The_President said:

    killerandflash said:


    Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision
    Which will mean they will unlikely to drop Jennings. Bring Stoneman in for Balance, and another bat/spinner for Dawson - maybe Samit Patel because he gives you both.

    Yes, with 2 batsmen needed to replace Dawson and Ballance, and a seamer to replace Wood, the selectors may not want to make a 4th change. Stoneman to open, with Jennings at 3?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,913
    dickplumb said:

    The_President said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.

    Trescothic had an average in the 20s when Fletcher plucked him from county cricket.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,913
    The_President said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    Those who watch a lot of county cricket (Rob key, Butch, Rainford-Brent, Daggers etc) have been calling for him. The sky commentators rarely if ever watch county cricket and frankly don't have a clue about it.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    cantersaddick said:

    dickplumb said:

    The_President said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.

    Trescothic had an average in the 20s when Fletcher plucked him from county cricket.
    Fletcher knew the county game, he would clearly watch games for himself to try and spot for himself potential England players
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  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,715
    When we are on the front foot we look good but as soon as we have to defend, play through a session, we are poor. We have very few players who can bat conservatively they are all shot players who want runs. This is where we fall apart when we want them to have common sense and bat appropriately to the conditions.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Chokewatch: 6 off 13 needed, 4 wickets in hand. Set batter plays reverse scoop FFS. 6 off 12, 3 wickets in hand
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    5 off 10, 3 wickets
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    4 off 8
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    3 required off the last over
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    3 off 5. Dropped catch. Saffers can choke too!
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    2 runs off 3 ball, 2 wickets left
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    2 off 3. Wicket falls. 2 wickets in hand
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Game over! Number ten hits a four. Hard work of it...
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    And England win with a 4!

    I've been following the women's game for years on cricinfo, I know most of the players names... It's a bit rubbish to watch though
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    All this for the right to completely freeze against Australia like every time
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,410
    Could have said you were talking about Womens cricket! just checked for the scores and then was like oh.... cant say i have ever had the urge to watch it. Funny when i am very keen on womans snooker to get better eg. more exposure and rooting for them when they are in qualifiers for the main game. (sorry didnt mean to go of topic)
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    Most of the girls look ok at batting but the bowling leaves a lot to be desired.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,853
    bit like the women's football.

    the standard is poor
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,652
    happyvalley said:

    Most of the girls look ok at batting but the bowling leaves a lot to be desired.

    Could any of them replace Ballance or Jennings?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Sarah Taylor could probably play pro cricket as a keeper, she'd probably bat at 10 or 11 though?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,913
    Karim_myBagheri said:

    When we are on the front foot we look good but as soon as we have to defend, play through a session, we are poor. We have very few players who can bat conservatively they are all shot players who want runs. This is where we fall apart when we want them to have common sense and bat appropriately to the conditions.

    Agree. I think this while batting positively idea and putting pressure on the bowlers has been blown way out of proportion.

    There is a difference between battibg positively and being aggressive. It is still a test match. Bat like it. You can be positive and put pressure on the bowlers by knowing where the gap is and pushing the single. Do that 3 times an over and hit the bad ball and you are going along comfortably without unnecessary risk. This 'I'm a positive player it's how I bat' excuse is a load of bollocks, use your brain you don't have to smack every ball for 6.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,627
    I watched the last 5 overs of the SA innings - big heave ho's to leg for 1#s & 2's but none of their batters got under the ball & hit for 4 or 6 as you would see in the mens game.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    There's a bit of a divide in the women's game between those who can hit sixes and those who can't. In a few years they all will
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    killerandflash said:

    Is Bayliss really the person to run the Test team, someone who knows nothing about the county game, and who has never seen Stoneman play?

    What does he know about Test cricket too? Him and Farbrace have undoubtedly improved our white ball game but neither have coached a top team in Test cricket. We have a different captain for different types of international cricket so why not different coaches? Who else is in the team? Mark Ramprakash! Says it all.
    The man who should be England's Test Manager/Coach is at every Test. Sadly he is sitting in the commentary box. The man who along with Duncan Fletcher laid the foundations for the huge change in England's Test fortunes.....Nasser Hussain.

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