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Anyone here think that Marshall could play RB if Solly got injured?4
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I know about our squad. It’s theirs we don’t really know that much about.AFKABartram said:
Hold up @JamesSeed you can't have it both ways squire. You can't on one hand accuse people of making 'sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence' and then on the other hand dismiss a breakdown of the key components of the squad as not needed. Squads are made up of individuals, its the first place you look for evidence' !!JamesSeed said:
No need to go into the merits of each player. The only point I was making is that our squad isn’t necessarily ‘much better than Shrewsbury’s’.AFKABartram said:JamesSeed said:
Chill. Read my match review. I'm critical of Robinson. Increasingly so. Based on what I see on the pitch though. I just don't agree that we have one of the top three squads in the league. Under Duchatelet? Are you sure about that @Chris_from_Sidcup and @ValleyGary ?!ValleyGary said:
You accused Chris of using results to push his anti-Robinson agenda a couple of days ago. As a manager, that’s exactly what he should be judged on. And our recent loss of points is down to Robinson.JamesSeed said:
You've just looked him up lolChris_from_Sidcup said:
He's been a success and won promotion at every club he's been at. Then took over a Shrewsbury side who were BOTTOM of league one less than 18 months ago. Kept them up, and now has them TOP of league one.JamesSeed said:
Why? Where's your evidence.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Said it before and i'll say it again, we have a much better squad than Shrewsbury. But we have a manager who has 1 formation, no clue on how to adjust things depending on how the game is developing and who doesn't appear to know how to get the best out of his players.
If we'd swapped managers back in August then i'd bet every last penny that the Shrewsbury manager would have us higher in the table than 7th, and that Robinson would have Shrewsbury nowhere near the play offs.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have roughly similar squads. Your comments about the Shrewsbury manager are all speculation. I'm guessing you don't even know his name.
Criticise Robbo by all means, and I did in my match review, but leave Shrewsbury and their squad of legends out of it.
Tell me what Robinson has done. One successful season with MK Dons when he was fortunate enough to get Will Grigg and Benik Afobe in on loan and have a kid called Dele Alli come out of the youth team.
Hurst took over Shrewsbury in October 2016 and took them from bottom to 18th.
Robinson took over in November 2016 when we were 11th and 3 points off the play offs. We finished 13th, and were 13 points off the play offs.
Hurst now has Shrewsbury top of the league.
Robinson has us treading water and actually closer to the relegation zone (14 points) than the promotion places (15 points).
So i stand by my opinion that if we'd swapped managers we'd be doing better under Hurst and Shrewsbury would be worse off under Robinson.
You’ve not only been provided with opinion, but fact as welll.
It appears you’re the only person with an ‘agenda’.
Absolutely no chance.
If Chris was a journalist his editor would be telling him he can't make such sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence. I thought initially he might have a point, but I was surprised to find when I looked up their squad that they have three players transferred from the Prem and about eight from the Champs. I'd say if anything theirs may be stronger. But you haven't convinced me that ours 'is much stronger'.
Ok @JamesSeed , I’ll have a go at this, and bare in mind I’m not a Robbo-hater.
Coming from the Premier league / higher league should not be any form of indicator, just because someone is at another club does not in any way mean they can do it for you (Doodoo, Sanogo etc)
I’m convinced if you had asked all league One managers at the start of the season to look at the squads, most would have had us top three, possibly top two.
If you go through our squad this season
Keeper – Amos is not Gordon Banks but is very secure for this level, there are few better in this league
Defence – Solly, Pearce and Bauer all have considerable higher level experience. Dasilva is the stand out left back in this division, a class above. Konsa is worth millions and attracting top level interest.
Def / Midfield – Kashi also impressed at a higher league than this. Foster-Caskey is no thrills, but not a clear weak link, Aribo impresses when he plays, Jackson is a more than efficient 4th choice to have in your locker.
Mid / Attack – Holmes was wanted by the league above, Magennis has international pedigree and is wanted in the league above. Fosu could arguably make the league team of the season. Marshall is solid and provides a team role. Pretty sure most teams in this league would have taken Billy Clarke this summer. Kaikai and Malvididi (certainly the latter) look more than enough at this level.
Only mitigating argument imo is we don't have a real goal scorer in our team, but with the Magennis up top on his own approach, we don't play a style of play that would be a fit for a natural goal scorer anyway.
We have quite a decent squad, but on paper so have Shrewsbury. Three from the Premier league, about eight from the Championship. We’ve got a few players from League One, not just higher league players. I expect a Shrewsbury fan might be able to state a case for the players in their squad.
And that’s it really.
You want to defend this point about your retrospective study of the Shrewsbury squad, fair enough. My point is I don't think any people who work in the game and know it a hell of a lot better than me and you would have looked at our respective squads at the start of the season and backed Shrewsbury to finish above us. And I am 100% convinced that not one person would have seen them finishing 25 points ahead of us (as it currently looks like they will).
Do you, even with your retrospective look, genuinely believe Shrewsbury's squad (particularly based on their resources) should be 25 points ahead of ours?
Along with their outperformance there is undoubtedly a degree of underperformance on our part. No one would convince me otherwise of that.
I agree we are underperforming. I think I agree they shouldn’t be so far ahead of us. But I haven’t seen them play yet.
There’s an element of Leicester about what they’re doing. Leicester had some good players, and they make the best of them.1 -
NoLeuth said:Anyone here think that Marshall could play RB if Solly got injured?
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Also, that Ajose challenge was a joke. The defender knew exactly what he was doing and stopped Ajose progressing into the box.0
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When is Robinson going to learn that it's not possession that wins matches, it's goals and not conceding any will always get at least a point.3
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Yes, if you want to weaken the defence further! If you are going for out and out attack at home it is an option. But we never do that.Leuth said:Anyone here think that Marshall could play RB if Solly got injured?
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Yet we also need to concentrate on playing our own style of Football.Horsfield9 said:When is Robinson going to learn that it's not possession that wins matches, it's goals and not conceding any will always get at least a point.
Yesterday we were all over Bradford (they only had Wyke in our half for most of the first 45mins) because we were passing it around them, then towards the end and then the majority of the second half we resorted to long ball and copying the Bradford tactics!!0 -
Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB0
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He's got the legs but he's to much of a sprinterLeuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
i.e. He'll go at top speed for a minute or two yet then need longer to recover
What Marshall needs to sort out is putting in a decent cross and when to do it rather than standing by the line having a contest with the defender to see who can stare at the ball for longer than the other0 -
Not getting excited about making the Play Offs. Even if we made them we would not win them and get promotion under this game management.3
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Easy to forget that Marshall has recovered from a very serious injury since he joined us.Leuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
His pace was his defining attribute and a combination of serious injury and an age of 30 plus may have taken its toll.
He always looked good playing against us (not difficult I accept) so perhaps we have been unlucky rather than incompetent with this signing.3 -
And here lies the problem. I would argue that you should always have a natural goalscorer in your team, no matter your system or style of play. I will bang on about this until the day I die. GOALS WIN GAMES. END OF. You can not win a game of football without scoring a goal, and if the last 3 games show anything, is that you have to score at least 2 to win a game. We don't have a back 5 of Seaman, Dixon, Bould, Adams & Winterburne & so dozens of 1-0's ain't going to happen.AFKABartram said:JamesSeed said:
Chill. Read my match review. I'm critical of Robinson. Increasingly so. Based on what I see on the pitch though. I just don't agree that we have one of the top three squads in the league. Under Duchatelet? Are you sure about that @Chris_from_Sidcup and @ValleyGary ?!ValleyGary said:
You accused Chris of using results to push his anti-Robinson agenda a couple of days ago. As a manager, that’s exactly what he should be judged on. And our recent loss of points is down to Robinson.JamesSeed said:
You've just looked him up lolChris_from_Sidcup said:
He's been a success and won promotion at every club he's been at. Then took over a Shrewsbury side who were BOTTOM of league one less than 18 months ago. Kept them up, and now has them TOP of league one.JamesSeed said:
Why? Where's your evidence.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Said it before and i'll say it again, we have a much better squad than Shrewsbury. But we have a manager who has 1 formation, no clue on how to adjust things depending on how the game is developing and who doesn't appear to know how to get the best out of his players.
If we'd swapped managers back in August then i'd bet every last penny that the Shrewsbury manager would have us higher in the table than 7th, and that Robinson would have Shrewsbury nowhere near the play offs.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have roughly similar squads. Your comments about the Shrewsbury manager are all speculation. I'm guessing you don't even know his name.
Criticise Robbo by all means, and I did in my match review, but leave Shrewsbury and their squad of legends out of it.
Tell me what Robinson has done. One successful season with MK Dons when he was fortunate enough to get Will Grigg and Benik Afobe in on loan and have a kid called Dele Alli come out of the youth team.
Hurst took over Shrewsbury in October 2016 and took them from bottom to 18th.
Robinson took over in November 2016 when we were 11th and 3 points off the play offs. We finished 13th, and were 13 points off the play offs.
Hurst now has Shrewsbury top of the league.
Robinson has us treading water and actually closer to the relegation zone (14 points) than the promotion places (15 points).
So i stand by my opinion that if we'd swapped managers we'd be doing better under Hurst and Shrewsbury would be worse off under Robinson.
You’ve not only been provided with opinion, but fact as welll.
It appears you’re the only person with an ‘agenda’.
Absolutely no chance.
If Chris was a journalist his editor would be telling him he can't make such sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence. I thought initially he might have a point, but I was surprised to find when I looked up their squad that they have three players transferred from the Prem and about eight from the Champs. I'd say if anything theirs may be stronger. But you haven't convinced me that ours 'is much stronger'.
Ok @JamesSeed , I’ll have a go at this, and bare in mind I’m not a Robbo-hater.
Coming from the Premier league / higher league should not be any form of indicator, just because someone is at another club does not in any way mean they can do it for you (Doodoo, Sanogo etc)
I’m convinced if you had asked all league One managers at the start of the season to look at the squads, most would have had us top three, possibly top two.
If you go through our squad this season
Keeper – Amos is not Gordon Banks but is very secure for this level, there are few better in this league
Defence – Solly, Pearce and Bauer all have considerable higher level experience. Dasilva is the stand out left back in this division, a class above. Konsa is worth millions and attracting top level interest.
Def / Midfield – Kashi also impressed at a higher league than this. Foster-Caskey is no thrills, but not a clear weak link, Aribo impresses when he plays, Jackson is a more than efficient 4th choice to have in your locker.
Mid / Attack – Holmes was wanted by the league above, Magennis has international pedigree and is wanted in the league above. Fosu could arguably make the league team of the season. Marshall is solid and provides a team role. Pretty sure most teams in this league would have taken Billy Clarke this summer. Kaikai and Malvididi (certainly the latter) look more than enough at this level.
Only mitigating argument imo is we don't have a real goal scorer in our team, but with the Magennis up top on his own approach, we don't play a style of play that would be a fit for a natural goal scorer anyway.
The lack of a natural goalscorer (or 2) is what is going to scupper any hope of going up this season, not because we've had a number of injuries or that the ref was crap.7 -
That's a possibility if we play 3 at the back. JDS may be better suited to that system alsoLeuth said:Anyone here think that Marshall could play RB if Solly got injured?
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I'm always impressed with Marshall's workrate and tracking back.LenGlover said:
Easy to forget that Marshall has recovered from a very serious injury since he joined us.Leuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
His pace was his defining attribute and a combination of serious injury and an age of 30 plus may have taken its toll.
He always looked good playing against us (not difficult I accept) so perhaps we have been unlucky rather than incompetent with this signing.
In my mind, he's played specifically on the right to help protect Solly, who's looking increasingly vulnerable.
It's bound to reflect on some of Marshall's forward play.
But he's every inch a team player.
He might not have the flair of Fosu, but he is direct - and can be very effective if brought into the game.
In any case, despite our lack of clear cut chances created, it was Marshall that was unlucky not to score with a very decent shot against the post.
And it was Marshall's very deliberate cross that picked out Magennis for our goal.
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Very much agree with the last three posts.Oggy Red said:
I'm always impressed with Marshall's workrate and tracking back.LenGlover said:
Easy to forget that Marshall has recovered from a very serious injury since he joined us.Leuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
His pace was his defining attribute and a combination of serious injury and an age of 30 plus may have taken its toll.
He always looked good playing against us (not difficult I accept) so perhaps we have been unlucky rather than incompetent with this signing.
In my mind, he's played specifically on the right to help protect Solly, who's looking increasingly vulnerable.
It's bound to reflect on some of Marshall's forward play.
But he's every inch a team player.
He might not have the flair of Fosu, but he is direct - and can be very effective if brought into the game.
In any case, despite our lack of clear cut chances created, it was Marshall that was unlucky not to score with a very decent shot against the post.
And it was Marshall's very deliberate cross that picked out Magennis for our goal.0 -
Didn’t he chip in with another assist last night? And was a whisker from scoring himself?LenGlover said:
Easy to forget that Marshall has recovered from a very serious injury since he joined us.Leuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
His pace was his defining attribute and a combination of serious injury and an age of 30 plus may have taken its toll.
He always looked good playing against us (not difficult I accept) so perhaps we have been unlucky rather than incompetent with this signing.
What exactly were people’s expectations of Marshall? I think he has underperformed a bit, which is fair enough given his injury, but I also think he has done pretty well so far and is the best crosser of a ball on our books imho. Also his defensive work shouldn’t be overlooked particularly when other attacking players such as Fosu and Mavididi aren’t doing the same....3 -
Yes and yes technically.HandG said:
Didn’t he chip in with another assist last night? And was a whisker from scoring himself?LenGlover said:
Easy to forget that Marshall has recovered from a very serious injury since he joined us.Leuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
His pace was his defining attribute and a combination of serious injury and an age of 30 plus may have taken its toll.
He always looked good playing against us (not difficult I accept) so perhaps we have been unlucky rather than incompetent with this signing.
What exactly were people’s expectations of Marshall? I think he has underperformed a bit, which is fair enough given his injury, but I also think he has done pretty well so far and is the best crosser of a ball on our books imho. Also his defensive work shouldn’t be overlooked particularly when other attacking players such as Fosu and Mavididi aren’t doing the same....
However the goal was all about Fosu's run of virtually the length of the pitch before picking out Marshall. The assist concept falls down in instances like Magennis' goal last night as Fosu gets no credit for his considerable part in it.
That said Marshall deserves credit for being in position to receive the pass from Fosu and make the cross.1 -
isn't that the point though. Some people don't think Robinson is making the best of the players he has or has had.JamesSeed said:
I know about our squad. It’s theirs we don’t really know that much about.AFKABartram said:
Hold up @JamesSeed you can't have it both ways squire. You can't on one hand accuse people of making 'sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence' and then on the other hand dismiss a breakdown of the key components of the squad as not needed. Squads are made up of individuals, its the first place you look for evidence' !!JamesSeed said:
No need to go into the merits of each player. The only point I was making is that our squad isn’t necessarily ‘much better than Shrewsbury’s’.AFKABartram said:JamesSeed said:
Chill. Read my match review. I'm critical of Robinson. Increasingly so. Based on what I see on the pitch though. I just don't agree that we have one of the top three squads in the league. Under Duchatelet? Are you sure about that @Chris_from_Sidcup and @ValleyGary ?!ValleyGary said:
You accused Chris of using results to push his anti-Robinson agenda a couple of days ago. As a manager, that’s exactly what he should be judged on. And our recent loss of points is down to Robinson.JamesSeed said:
You've just looked him up lolChris_from_Sidcup said:
He's been a success and won promotion at every club he's been at. Then took over a Shrewsbury side who were BOTTOM of league one less than 18 months ago. Kept them up, and now has them TOP of league one.JamesSeed said:
Why? Where's your evidence.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Said it before and i'll say it again, we have a much better squad than Shrewsbury. But we have a manager who has 1 formation, no clue on how to adjust things depending on how the game is developing and who doesn't appear to know how to get the best out of his players.
If we'd swapped managers back in August then i'd bet every last penny that the Shrewsbury manager would have us higher in the table than 7th, and that Robinson would have Shrewsbury nowhere near the play offs.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have roughly similar squads. Your comments about the Shrewsbury manager are all speculation. I'm guessing you don't even know his name.
Criticise Robbo by all means, and I did in my match review, but leave Shrewsbury and their squad of legends out of it.
Tell me what Robinson has done. One successful season with MK Dons when he was fortunate enough to get Will Grigg and Benik Afobe in on loan and have a kid called Dele Alli come out of the youth team.
Hurst took over Shrewsbury in October 2016 and took them from bottom to 18th.
Robinson took over in November 2016 when we were 11th and 3 points off the play offs. We finished 13th, and were 13 points off the play offs.
Hurst now has Shrewsbury top of the league.
Robinson has us treading water and actually closer to the relegation zone (14 points) than the promotion places (15 points).
So i stand by my opinion that if we'd swapped managers we'd be doing better under Hurst and Shrewsbury would be worse off under Robinson.
You’ve not only been provided with opinion, but fact as welll.
It appears you’re the only person with an ‘agenda’.
Absolutely no chance.
If Chris was a journalist his editor would be telling him he can't make such sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence. I thought initially he might have a point, but I was surprised to find when I looked up their squad that they have three players transferred from the Prem and about eight from the Champs. I'd say if anything theirs may be stronger. But you haven't convinced me that ours 'is much stronger'.
Ok @JamesSeed , I’ll have a go at this, and bare in mind I’m not a Robbo-hater.
Coming from the Premier league / higher league should not be any form of indicator, just because someone is at another club does not in any way mean they can do it for you (Doodoo, Sanogo etc)
I’m convinced if you had asked all league One managers at the start of the season to look at the squads, most would have had us top three, possibly top two.
If you go through our squad this season
Keeper – Amos is not Gordon Banks but is very secure for this level, there are few better in this league
Defence – Solly, Pearce and Bauer all have considerable higher level experience. Dasilva is the stand out left back in this division, a class above. Konsa is worth millions and attracting top level interest.
Def / Midfield – Kashi also impressed at a higher league than this. Foster-Caskey is no thrills, but not a clear weak link, Aribo impresses when he plays, Jackson is a more than efficient 4th choice to have in your locker.
Mid / Attack – Holmes was wanted by the league above, Magennis has international pedigree and is wanted in the league above. Fosu could arguably make the league team of the season. Marshall is solid and provides a team role. Pretty sure most teams in this league would have taken Billy Clarke this summer. Kaikai and Malvididi (certainly the latter) look more than enough at this level.
Only mitigating argument imo is we don't have a real goal scorer in our team, but with the Magennis up top on his own approach, we don't play a style of play that would be a fit for a natural goal scorer anyway.
We have quite a decent squad, but on paper so have Shrewsbury. Three from the Premier league, about eight from the Championship. We’ve got a few players from League One, not just higher league players. I expect a Shrewsbury fan might be able to state a case for the players in their squad.
And that’s it really.
You want to defend this point about your retrospective study of the Shrewsbury squad, fair enough. My point is I don't think any people who work in the game and know it a hell of a lot better than me and you would have looked at our respective squads at the start of the season and backed Shrewsbury to finish above us. And I am 100% convinced that not one person would have seen them finishing 25 points ahead of us (as it currently looks like they will).
Do you, even with your retrospective look, genuinely believe Shrewsbury's squad (particularly based on their resources) should be 25 points ahead of ours?
Along with their outperformance there is undoubtedly a degree of underperformance on our part. No one would convince me otherwise of that.
I agree we are underperforming. I think I agree they shouldn’t be so far ahead of us. But I haven’t seen them play yet.
There’s an element of Leicester about what they’re doing. Leicester had some good players, and they make the best of them.
He insisted on playing 4231 last season when he didn't have the players to do it and we dropped down the table and flirted with relegation. Remember he was brought in to "give us the best chance of gaining promotion".
This season he's had two windows to get the squad he wanted, a squad he has lavished praise on and loudly thanked Meire and Duchatelet, until very recently for providing for him.
Yet we are still inconsistent, inflexible and possibly unfit.
Getting the most out of the players is the manager's job at the 98% of clubs who don't have money to burn.
So far he hasn't and people's patience is wearing thin.
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He put two great crosses in yesterday.ForeverAddickted said:
He's got the legs but he's to much of a sprinterLeuth said:Marshall seems to be in the 'legs gone' phase of his career - I'd say that if he wants to extend it much he'll need to convert into a FB
i.e. He'll go at top speed for a minute or two yet then need longer to recover
What Marshall needs to sort out is putting in a decent cross and when to do it rather than standing by the line having a contest with the defender to see who can stare at the ball for longer than the other0 - Sponsored links:
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I’m beginning to agree as it happens.Henry Irving said:
isn't that the point though. Some people don't think Robinson is making the best of the players he has or has had.JamesSeed said:
I know about our squad. It’s theirs we don’t really know that much about.AFKABartram said:
Hold up @JamesSeed you can't have it both ways squire. You can't on one hand accuse people of making 'sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence' and then on the other hand dismiss a breakdown of the key components of the squad as not needed. Squads are made up of individuals, its the first place you look for evidence' !!JamesSeed said:
No need to go into the merits of each player. The only point I was making is that our squad isn’t necessarily ‘much better than Shrewsbury’s’.AFKABartram said:JamesSeed said:
Chill. Read my match review. I'm critical of Robinson. Increasingly so. Based on what I see on the pitch though. I just don't agree that we have one of the top three squads in the league. Under Duchatelet? Are you sure about that @Chris_from_Sidcup and @ValleyGary ?!ValleyGary said:
You accused Chris of using results to push his anti-Robinson agenda a couple of days ago. As a manager, that’s exactly what he should be judged on. And our recent loss of points is down to Robinson.JamesSeed said:
You've just looked him up lolChris_from_Sidcup said:JamesSeed said:
Why? Where's your evidence.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Said it before and i'll say it again, we have a much better squad than Shrewsbury. But we have a manager who has 1 formation, no clue on how to adjust things depending on how the game is developing and who doesn't appear to know how to get the best out of his players.
If we'd swapped managers back in August then i'd bet every last penny that the Shrewsbury manager would have us higher in the table than 7th, and that Robinson would have Shrewsbury nowhere near the play offs.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if and their squad of legends out of it.
Hurst now has Shrewsbury top of the league.
Robinson has us treading water and actually closer to the relegation zone (14 points) than the promotion places (15 points).
So i stand by my opinion that if we'd swapped managers we'd be doing better under Hurst and Shrewsbury would be worse off under Robinson.
You’ve not only been provided with opinion, but fact as welll.
It appears you’re the only person with an ‘agenda’.
Absolutely no chance.
If Chris was a journalist his editor would be telling him he can't make such sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence. I thought initially he might have a point, but I was surprised to find when I looked up their squad that they have three players transferred from the Prem and about eight from the Champs. I'd say if anything theirs may be stronger. But you haven't convinced me that ours 'is much stronger'.
Ok @JamesSeed , I’ll have a go at this, and bare in mind I’m not a Robbo-hater.
Coming from the Premier league / higher league should not be any form of indicator, just because someone is at another club does not in any way mean they can do it for you (Doodoo, Sanogo etc)
I’m convinced if you had asked all league One managers at the start of the season to look at the squads, most would have had us top three, possibly top two.
If you go through our squad this season
Keeper – Amos is not Gordon Banks but is very secure for this level, there are few better in this league
Defence – Solly, Pearce and Bauer all have considerable higher level experience. Dasilva is the stand out left back in this division, a class above. Konsa is worth millions and attracting top level interest.
Def / Midfield – Kashi also impressed at a higher league than this. Foster-Caskey is no thrills, but not a clear weak link, Aribo impresses when he plays, Jackson is a more than efficient 4th choice to have in your locker.
Mid / Attack – Holmes was wanted by the league above, Magennis has international pedigree and is wanted in the league above. Fosu could arguably make the league team of the season. Marshall is solid and provides a team role. Pretty sure most teams in this league would have taken Billy Clarke this summer. Kaikai and Malvididi (certainly the latter) look more than enough at this level.
Only mitigating argument imo is we don't have a real goal scorer in our team, but with the Magennis up top on his own approach, we don't play a style of play that would be a fit for a natural goal scorer anyway.
We have quite a decent squad, but on paper so have Shrewsbury. Three from the Premier league, about eight from the Championship. We’ve got a few players from League One, not just higher league players. I expect a Shrewsbury fan might be able to state a case for the players in their squad.
And that’s it really.
You want to defend this point about your retrospective study of the Shrewsbury squad, fair enough. My point is I don't think any people who work in the game and know it a hell of a lot better than me and you would have looked at our respective squads at the start of the season and backed Shrewsbury to finish above us. And I am 100% convinced that not one person would have seen them finishing 25 points ahead of us (as it currently looks like they will).
Do you, even with your retrospective look, genuinely believe Shrewsbury's squad (particularly based on their resources) should be 25 points ahead of ours?
Along with their outperformance there is undoubtedly a degree of underperformance on our part. No one would convince me otherwise of that.
I agree we are underperforming. I think I agree they shouldn’t be so far ahead of us. But I haven’t seen them play yet.
There’s an element of Leicester about what they’re doing. Leicester had some good players, and they make the best of them.
He insisted on playing 4231 last season when he didn't have the players to do it and we dropped down the table and flirted with relegation. Remember he was brought in to "give us the best chance of gaining promotion".
This season he's had two windows to get the squad he wanted, a squad he has lavished praise on and loudly thanked Meire and Duchatelet, until very recently for providing for him.
Yet we are still inconsistent, inflexible and possibly unfit.
Getting the most out of the players is the manager's job at the 98% of clubs who don't have money to burn.
So far he hasn't and people's patience is wearing thin.
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I still think his recruitment hasn’t been too bad given the circumstances and lack of cash.
It’s the tactics that annoy me. Slowing the game down when we’re one up is dumb. Assuming it’s his idea of course.
I know I’m being targeted as a big fan of Karl’s, but when we won those three games in a row recently I was, I think, one of the few posting that we won despite not playing very well. We haven’t played well for a whole match for ages.
‘Just win matches’ is a reasonable mantra, but even winning matches can mask deeper problems.
I have had doubts for some time, but some of the vitriol on here is unwarranted and over the top.
If we get into the playoffs and acquit ourselves well I’ll be happy for him to stay, possibly.
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Ah, but your last sentence completely underplays the crux of our problem. It's not just that we don't have a real goal scorer. We have been playing most of the season with only one recognised senior striker. Furthermore, and many forget this, one who was playing tough international games while the rest of the division had the weekends off.AFKABartram said:JamesSeed said:
Chill. Read my match review. I'm critical of Robinson. Increasingly so. Based on what I see on the pitch though. I just don't agree that we have one of the top three squads in the league. Under Duchatelet? Are you sure about that @Chris_from_Sidcup and @ValleyGary ?!ValleyGary said:
You accused Chris of using results to push his anti-Robinson agenda a couple of days ago. As a manager, that’s exactly what he should be judged on. And our recent loss of points is down to Robinson.JamesSeed said:
You've just looked him up lolChris_from_Sidcup said:
He's been a success and won promotion at every club he's been at. Then took over a Shrewsbury side who were BOTTOM of league one less than 18 months ago. Kept them up, and now has them TOP of league one.JamesSeed said:
Why? Where's your evidence.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Said it before and i'll say it again, we have a much better squad than Shrewsbury. But we have a manager who has 1 formation, no clue on how to adjust things depending on how the game is developing and who doesn't appear to know how to get the best out of his players.
If we'd swapped managers back in August then i'd bet every last penny that the Shrewsbury manager would have us higher in the table than 7th, and that Robinson would have Shrewsbury nowhere near the play offs.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if we have roughly similar squads. Your comments about the Shrewsbury manager are all speculation. I'm guessing you don't even know his name.
Criticise Robbo by all means, and I did in my match review, but leave Shrewsbury and their squad of legends out of it.
Tell me what Robinson has done. One successful season with MK Dons when he was fortunate enough to get Will Grigg and Benik Afobe in on loan and have a kid called Dele Alli come out of the youth team.
Hurst took over Shrewsbury in October 2016 and took them from bottom to 18th.
Robinson took over in November 2016 when we were 11th and 3 points off the play offs. We finished 13th, and were 13 points off the play offs.
Hurst now has Shrewsbury top of the league.
Robinson has us treading water and actually closer to the relegation zone (14 points) than the promotion places (15 points).
So i stand by my opinion that if we'd swapped managers we'd be doing better under Hurst and Shrewsbury would be worse off under Robinson.
You’ve not only been provided with opinion, but fact as welll.
It appears you’re the only person with an ‘agenda’.
Absolutely no chance.
If Chris was a journalist his editor would be telling him he can't make such sweeping statements about squads without some sort of evidence. I thought initially he might have a point, but I was surprised to find when I looked up their squad that they have three players transferred from the Prem and about eight from the Champs. I'd say if anything theirs may be stronger. But you haven't convinced me that ours 'is much stronger'.
Ok @JamesSeed , I’ll have a go at this, and bare in mind I’m not a Robbo-hater.
Coming from the Premier league / higher league should not be any form of indicator, just because someone is at another club does not in any way mean they can do it for you (Doodoo, Sanogo etc)
I’m convinced if you had asked all league One managers at the start of the season to look at the squads, most would have had us top three, possibly top two.
If you go through our squad this season
Keeper – Amos is not Gordon Banks but is very secure for this level, there are few better in this league
Defence – Solly, Pearce and Bauer all have considerable higher level experience. Dasilva is the stand out left back in this division, a class above. Konsa is worth millions and attracting top level interest.
Def / Midfield – Kashi also impressed at a higher league than this. Foster-Caskey is no thrills, but not a clear weak link, Aribo impresses when he plays, Jackson is a more than efficient 4th choice to have in your locker.
Mid / Attack – Holmes was wanted by the league above, Magennis has international pedigree and is wanted in the league above. Fosu could arguably make the league team of the season. Marshall is solid and provides a team role. Pretty sure most teams in this league would have taken Billy Clarke this summer. Kaikai and Malvididi (certainly the latter) look more than enough at this level.
Only mitigating argument imo is we don't have a real goal scorer in our team, but with the Magennis up top on his own approach, we don't play a style of play that would be a fit for a natural goal scorer anyway.
This was a squad that had the makings of being decent but isn't because of this crucial and ludicrous imbalance. That has not happened at Shrewsbury and not just because of a very good manager, about whom I knew little, but also because Shrewsbury now seems to be a very well run club from top to bottom. Sounds a lot like a club I used to support in the 90s.
When Shrewsbury relieve us of all six points, (and pip Blackburn to the autos, as I now expect, and certainly hope), it will be the ultimate commentary on the monstrous incompetence of the entire Duchatelet reign.
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Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.0
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Tbf I think most people thought that.Slartibartfast said:Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.
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We can't cope with 90 minutes + stoppage time - we drop our bundle after 80 minutes whereas Shrewsbury have scored late goals to gain points time and time again.Slartibartfast said:Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.
What chance have we got lasting the entire season Robbo?0 -
People say KRs hands have tied striker-wise but he let Ajose (and Hanlan and Umerah) and played KAG on the wing.0
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Maybe, but the manager is supposed to know better than us mere mortal fans.JamesSeed said:
Tbf I think most people thought that.Slartibartfast said:Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.
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Yes, this is the time of year (crap winter weather, heavy pitches etc) when you expect the smaller side to start strugglingJamesSeed said:
Tbf I think most people thought that.Slartibartfast said:Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.
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They are the Leicester city of league one.Slartibartfast said:Don't forget, according to our manager, Shrewsbury are not going to last the pace.
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I should imagine even KR can see his system isn't working. Presumably he's too stubborn or stupid to change it and probably both, bearing in mind MKD fans warned us this would happen.Scoham said:
It's harder to make the right decisions when you're playing in front of a team sitting back. Our patient passing style gives teams time to get back and get themselves organised.Rob7Lee said:My conclusion, we have some good players on the 'skill' front. Fosu, JFK and others. What all of them pretty much lack (and i'm including Robinson in that) is a footballing brain.
When there is the choice of a pass or a shot we choose the wrong one, when there's two passes on we chose the wrong one. The only one who doesn't with any regularity is Da Silva.
Thats whats costing us and stopping us from being higher, and something we can't really change.
Add to that, Robinsons subs and their timing in particular were awful again, can anyone tell me what was our shape for the last 10 minutes?
How often do we get in behind teams?
How many properly clear cut chances do we create?
How many penalties do we win?
How often do we score from set pieces?
Maybe KR needs to sacrifice his ideal style and try something else. It would be less predictable and having the option of going more direct can create different types of chances.
So often we're asking one of our flair players to beat 2/3 players and whip a perfect cross against out outnumbered attack, or score a wonder goal.0
