Charlton v Norwich - friendly 28/7/18
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A decent result, but then our 1st choice defence and centre midfield ARE of promotion quality. I doubt many teams in our league will have a better back 4 than that.
What we lack is attacking quality and cover for our defence
Poor result for Norwich though, and from what I read a poor performance too.2 -
Or we develop him with coaching perhaps.Redrobo said:
The most important bit is the saves, the passing out bit will come with experience and confidence. Until then he should clear it a very long way away.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Phillips will only get better the more he plays. He has potential and ffs we're in L1 not the Premiership - makes me laugh how much criticism some of our fans are dishing out. If Phillips was the finished article he wouldn't be at Charlton.
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Just seen the JFC goal on Twitter:
A decent clearance from Dillon Phillips was pivotal and JFC picked up the knock down in his own half ..... and drove forward to score.
Very positive play from JFC.
But Dillon can't quite claim an assist. Sorry, Dill.
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Good result. Wasn't able to go. Frankly I find that some of those calling out players and particularly Dillon need to calm it.
There were legions who lumped onto Pope a few years back. A few of us said he just needed a bit of confidence. I can remember some saying he'd never make the grade.
Let's wait to see how things go. I can't see how much criticism should go the way of the manager or the team especially as we are unbeaten.17 -
Great to see the players going bonkers when that went in.1
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It was also great to see that for the last 15 they were determined Norwich weren't going to equalise.ShootersHillGuru said:Great to see the players going bonkers when that went in.
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It was also great to see that for the last 15 they were determined Norwich weren't going to equalise.ShootersHillGuru said:Great to see the players going bonkers when that went in.
And for what it’s worth there was something else that i thought I was watching in the first half that was particularly encouraging. To me it seemed like that there was a moving triangle of Lapslie, Aribo and Hacket-Fairchild that was knitting the play together, feeding each other and other players and intercepting the oppositions play. The three of them were moving all over the pitch and where one went the other two were there or thereabouts. They made space for the others to play their game. I thought Marshall in particular was benefitting from the interplay with them in the first half and not so much when Lapslie didn’t appear in the second and the moving triangle wasn’t there. I’d like to see the three of them on the pitch together next week, especially if Lyle taylor is playing to benefit from it.8 -
His games at Cheltenham should have resolved the kicking issues. Better sides than today's Norwich would have punished several of his kicks. One of the worst was to JFC facing goal just outside the penalty area. Norwich player a few yards away. All he could was pass it back with the Norwich player following the ball.Redrobo said:
The most important bit is the saves, the passing out bit will come with experience and confidence. Until then he should clear it a very long way away.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Phillips will only get better the more he plays. He has potential and ffs we're in L1 not the Premiership - makes me laugh how much criticism some of our fans are dishing out. If Phillips was the finished article he wouldn't be at Charlton.
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Not sure Henry, I was too nervous to turn round, he did speak with authority,like he was someone quite important and was very loudHenry Irving said:
Was he with a group of four or five young lads, early 20s? @Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas said:Guy a few rows back from me , had quite a loud AUSSIE accent, just saying...
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‘tis the Australian way!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Not sure Henry, I was too nervous to turn round, he did speak with authority,like he was someone quite important and was very loudHenry Irving said:
Was he with a group of four or five young lads, early 20s? @Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas said:Guy a few rows back from me , had quite a loud AUSSIE accent, just saying...
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GM isn't very loud though.se9addick said:
‘tis the Australian way!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Not sure Henry, I was too nervous to turn round, he did speak with authority,like he was someone quite important and was very loudHenry Irving said:
Was he with a group of four or five young lads, early 20s? @Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas said:Guy a few rows back from me , had quite a loud AUSSIE accent, just saying...
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Remember lots on here thought Pope was terrible too!The Red Robin said:I'd rather develop our own young keeper than one contracted to another club.
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Phillips is a decent keeper. In fact he should have started ahead of Amos when he came in, he didn’t and Amos turned out to be quality. Fully confident in him being our number 1 this season. Just need a more experienced back up in case he gets injured.4
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Absolutely his kicking is something that can be worked on. What concerns me is that it has been a real standout issue in each of the last two pre-seasons leading up to this one. And while it's always hard to replicate match situations, I do think kicking and technique are the kinds of things that can be worked on even when you're not in the first team.Sage said:People talking about Phillips does my head in. If you want a keeper who makes great saves and has the attributes that make up a good keeper, he is your man.
No, he isn’t great with his feet, his distribution could be better. But are we Man City or Barcelona? No. Do we need a keeper who is like Neuer and can play out field? No. We are in League One for Christ sakes, we need a keeper who is going to keep the ball out the net against opposition teams. Phillips can do that.
And yes I was at The Valley today and if you tell me he isn’t a good keeper then you’re either foolish or you ignore the great saves he made and focusing on the parts of his game that he can work on.
I fear this will be compounded by losing Josh, and thus losing our outlet. As a result teams will press us, knowing that Phillips and Pearce are not confident on the ball and that we don't have a big man (assuming we lose Josh) to aim for up field (Taylor looks like he can kind of sort of do it but it's not his strongest role). In the run in, Josh's ability to win headers was important. No, they weren't always to another player, and Ajose wasn't great at reading them, but it did at least stop the ball from coming back at us. It's not Dillon's fault that we don't have that, but I fear it will compound issues.
None of that is to say Dillon is terrible. He looks a very good shot stopper for this level.
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His kicking will be worked on but decision making under pressure could be his downfall.2
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Nicholas dear chap, it’s he’s not his.Nicholas said:
Of course his not the enemy, but when you hear the same shit that came out of all the other managers mouth it does make you wonder.RedChaser said:
I understand your frustration with this shitfest of a situation mate but Bowyer's not the enemy.Nicholas said:
He wont walk his in a no lose situation, do well with a crap team and other clubs might hire him as manager. Do shit he can blame it on the crap set up.shirty5 said:
It would never surprise me if he walked before next SaturdayNicholas said:That's the strong team Bowyer said he was going to play against Norwich. He is vastly becoming as deluded as all the previous Roland arse licker managers.
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The squad is a mess, full of gaps, injuries and imbalances. Possibly the worst squad, depth wise, we have had in my 30 years as a Charlton fan. However, despite all this, preseason results have been above average, for us, and the team seem united.
The squad, as it stands, is weak enough to have me worrying about relegation. That is without losing Josh and maybe more. Bowyer does appear to be able motivate a team though. We must hope he can keep these players united, fighting, and as many as possible fit over an entire 46 match season. If he can do that mid table safety is very achievable as organization and hard work can still get you a long way in League 1. But holy crap is it depressing to be talking like mid table in League 1 will represent a ‘good’ season, albeit in crap circumstances.6 -
The way I see it is how many years has Phillips been playing now he's 23 years old he trains nearly everyday if your kicking isn't good now will it ever be. He's been behind 2 loan players for the last 2 years and has played what 7-8 games for us and all of a sudden he's our number 1. What the boy needs is a loan to a decent league 2 team .What ever we need a new goalkeeper to push Phillips or replace him . We see last year what it means to have a top goalkeeper how many points Amos got us on his own .1
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It's irrelevant what we need as it's obvious money isn't going to be spent. I'd try and stop worrying so much...FAVADDICK said:The way I see it is how many years has Phillips been playing now he's 23 years old he trains nearly everyday if your kicking isn't good now will it ever be. He's been behind 2 loan players for the last 2 years and has played what 7-8 games for us and all of a sudden he's our number 1. What the boy needs is a loan to a decent league 2 team .What ever we need a new goalkeeper to push Phillips or replace him . We see last year what it means to have a top goalkeeper how many points Amos got us on his own was undeliverable .
There will be no strategy under RD's ownership.
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Again, it can be coached.Baldybonce said:His kicking will be worked on but decision making under pressure could be his downfall.
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He really needed that loan last year unfortunately. Arguably the year before as well. That's been our biggest failure as a club to him. Because we couldn't get cover in he's had to sit on the bench for two years.FAVADDICK said:The way I see it is how many years has Phillips been playing now he's 23 years old he trains nearly everyday if your kicking isn't good now will it ever be. He's been behind 2 loan players for the last 2 years and has played what 7-8 games for us and all of a sudden he's our number 1. What the boy needs is a loan to a decent league 2 team .What ever we need a new goalkeeper to push Phillips or replace him . We see last year what it means to have a top goalkeeper how many points Amos got us on his own .
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Yes it can. If he can do it sometimes (which he can) but is not consistent, then practice will improve it.0
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Regarding Phillips, bench constantly talking about decision making, however, also a lot of blamed aimed at players not being in correct position to receive the pass (which can also be coached) think they have a few more games under their belt than Dillon.
Full backs/Centre back not being in the position to receive his pass causes him pressure.
Oh, and the sarcastic cheer when he kicked one steaight made all the bench turn round and made them think exact the same word for said person.
So well done if you read this. (wanker)
Some people never learn and never happy.
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To a degree. Kids who play in goal are generally the ones that can’t play football. The playing it out from the back is relatively a new thing and if one hasn’t got natural football ability and brain, it can lead to quick ill advised passes or ponderous decisions. A man has to know his limitations (as Clint Eastwood once said), keep it simple and clear down the channels, and keep working hard in training. Experience and confidence will help him make better decisions.The Red Robin said:
Again, it can be coached.Baldybonce said:His kicking will be worked on but decision making under pressure could be his downfall.
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What a keeper!Nicholas said:
But Lapslie, who had a good game apparently, missed a sitter of header, after a great left footed cross from Marshall.1 -
If Hackett-Fairchild has been there it would have been a great cross by Marshall, but he wasn’t, Lapslie was there and so the cross was good but not ‘great’, it was too high...just sayingJamesSeed said:
What a keeper!Nicholas said:
But Lapslie, who had a good game apparently, missed a sitter of header, after a great left footed cross from Marshall.2 -
You could see from Leslie's reaction that it was a sitter. He didn't exactly leap like a salmon ;-)letthegoodtimesroll said:
If Hackett-Fairchild has been there it would have been a great cross by Marshall, but he wasn’t, Lapslie was there and so the cross was good but not ‘great’, it was too high...just sayingJamesSeed said:
What a keeper!Nicholas said:
But Lapslie, who had a good game apparently, missed a sitter of header, after a great left footed cross from Marshall.1 -
Interestingly last January, KAG was sent out on loan, something which was controversial here when he started scoring regularly, but definitely did his confidence a lot of good. A shame the same couldn't have happened for Dillon, though it's harder for keepers I guess as you need to find a club looking for a No 1, rather than him ending up sitting on someone else's benchSDAddick said:
He really needed that loan last year unfortunately. Arguably the year before as well. That's been our biggest failure as a club to him. Because we couldn't get cover in he's had to sit on the bench for two years.FAVADDICK said:The way I see it is how many years has Phillips been playing now he's 23 years old he trains nearly everyday if your kicking isn't good now will it ever be. He's been behind 2 loan players for the last 2 years and has played what 7-8 games for us and all of a sudden he's our number 1. What the boy needs is a loan to a decent league 2 team .What ever we need a new goalkeeper to push Phillips or replace him . We see last year what it means to have a top goalkeeper how many points Amos got us on his own .
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You're kidding right? It doesn't matter who was in the middle or on end of it, if the ball in was a quality one, that can't be debated.letthegoodtimesroll said:
If Hackett-Fairchild has been there it would have been a great cross by Marshall, but he wasn’t, Lapslie was there and so the cross was good but not ‘great’, it was too high...just sayingJamesSeed said:
What a keeper!Nicholas said:
But Lapslie, who had a good game apparently, missed a sitter of header, after a great left footed cross from Marshall.
It could be argued that Lapslie jumped a little early, or having seen it again he leans back when he jumps, but either way he should’ve hit the target. Doesn't change the quality of cross that Marshall put in, because it was a very good one.12
