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  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,473
    edited October 2018
    Gravesend_Addick said:

    For those interested, the world seniors championship starts today. 1st session at 10 am. The event is live on freesports sky channel 422 freeview channel 95

    Also on Virgin channel 553 but not on connected tv.
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    PS- I miss @paulie8290 this thread is not the same

    Bingham won the English open, beat Mark Davis 9-7 in the final

    2 x 147's Un-nooh with the first one then Ronnie
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    johnnybev1987 said:

    LawrieAbrahams said:

    I played a lot of snooker in my youth and I am surprised he didn't feel it or hear it. But he seemed shocked when he was shown the footage.

    It is a funny one, you would think people should feel it. Sometimes it looks like it and you dont know, this is where you should just trust people are honest. Some people will get away with it, but its not in the spirit of the game.

    On the specific case, i would not think Ronnie would not call it but again i think he can walk on water.... After that he wasn't really in the right frame for the rest of the tournament as he is effectively being called a cheat. Shame, if he admitted or it was obvious he cheated then i would feel different but its a hard one to call even watching these shots isn't always proof.
    Yes, I thought he'd lose to Mark Davis because his heart wouldn't be in it.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    johnnybev1987 said:

    PS- I miss @paulie8290 this thread is not the same

    Bingham won the English open, beat Mark Davis 9-7 in the final

    2 x 147's Un-nooh with the first one then Ronnie

    What's happened to Paulie?
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    LawrieAbrahams said:

    johnnybev1987 said:

    PS- I miss @paulie8290 this thread is not the same

    Bingham won the English open, beat Mark Davis 9-7 in the final

    2 x 147's Un-nooh with the first one then Ronnie

    What's happened to Paulie?
    He's alright mate, around a week and half ago he got a couple of digs and he didnt react well. I have messaged him and he said he has alot on and cant really be dealing with CL at mo, i am sure he will return soon.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    So what have I missed

    Ronnie won the Champion of Champions yesterday, Wilson pushed him close and was 64 ahead with 67 remaining(I think it was) and 9-8 ahead, ronnie took the frame and in the decider Wilson was in first, split the pack from the pack, unfortunatly knocked a red in and Ronnie made a century to take the match
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    In the Champion of Champions Mark Selby got his 3rd and the 143rd 147 in snoojer history, but amazingly no prize money for the max.

  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Straight away the players have headed to Northern Ireland for the 2nd leg of the Home Nations Series(remember if 1 player wins all 4 in a season they get £1 Million)
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Barry Hawkins was the first big name out, not including McGill as he has had a poor season and fully expected him to lose
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Home favourite Mark Allen is losing 2-0 to Niu Zhuang who has made only his 7th career century(he turned pro at the start of last season)

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  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    Good to see you back @paulie8290
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    Welcome back Paulie.
    I have to say that O'Sullivan got away with murder last night. 9-8 down and he had a lash out in frustration at the last red after missing a cannon and fluked a snooker. This was like the old O'Sullivan before Steve Peters.
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    paulie8290 said:

    So what have I missed

    Ronnie won the Champion of Champions yesterday, Wilson pushed him close and was 64 ahead with 67 remaining(I think it was) and 9-8 ahead, ronnie took the frame and in the decider Wilson was in first, split the pack from the pack, unfortunatly knocked a red in and Ronnie made a century to take the match

    Great to see you back Paulio, hope you are well :)
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    Ronnie wins again, goes out first round of the open. Predictable, was looking like Allen was going to win COC all week put in a fine performance, however glad Ronnie won even if not convincing. Unlucky to Wilson he was 5-1 down so to force a decider and unlucky not to win in the end.

    Think me and my mates are going to masters in January, at Alexandra Palace. My mate did message me last week so hopefully he has got tickets, last one we went to was when Welsh Open was at Newport (last one, Ronnie won and got 147 in finale) we went for opening 2 days.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Well what a day yesterday ended up being, top players falling left right and centre in the end.

    Lets hope day 2 is just as thrilling.

    Day 1 results are coming
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Northern Ireland Open
    Round 1
    Results

    Sam Craigie 4-0 Adam Duffy
    Xiao Guodong 4-3 Harvey Chandler
    Chen Zifan 4-3 Barry Hawkins
    Michael White 4-0 Mark Joyce
    Alexander Ursenbacher 4-0 Anthony McGill
    Eden Sharav 4-3 Li Yuan
    Li Hang 4-3 Zhang Yong
    Akani Songsermsawad 4-0 Fan Zhengyi
    Ian Burns 4-1 Farakh Ajaib
    Stuart Carrington 4-1 Si Xu
    Kurt Maflin 4-0 Ashley Carty
    Gerrard Greene 4-0 Oliver Lines
    Liam Highfield 4-2 James Wattana
    Luo Honghao 4-2 Lyu Haotian
    Michael Holt 4-2 Stephen Maguire
    Mark Williams 4-2 Alfie Burden
    Nui Zhuang 4-1 Mark Allen
    Ryan Day 4-1 Michael Georgiou
    Gary Wilson 4-3 Adam Stefanow
    Daniel Wells 4-1 Zhao Xintong
    Mark Davis 4-3 Noppon Saengkham
    Ali Carter 4-1 Paul Davison
    Luca Brecel 4-1 Raymond Fry
    Chris Wakelin 4-1 Thor Chuan Leong
    Yuan Sijun 4-1 Jamie Rhys Clark
    Billy Joe Castle 4-3 Graeme Dott
    Tom Ford 4-3 Rod Lawler
    Rory McLeod 4-2 John Higgins
    Tian Pengfei 4-3 Mike Dunn
    Zhou Yuelong 4-1 Lukas Kleckers
    Peter Lines 4-2 Stuart Bingham
    Lee Walker 4-3 Kyren Wilson
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    So yesterday we lost

    Hawkins
    Higgins
    Wilson
    Bingham
    Dott
    Allen
    Maguire

    Barry Hearn will be happy with Stuart Bingham going out his £1 million is safe for another year
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    Ronnie's on 1 again. Moaning about the state of the game & criticising Barry Hearn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/46198716
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Gravesend_Addick said:

    Ronnie's on 1 again. Moaning about the state of the game & criticising Barry Hearn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/46198716

    He metioned tennis and said that you wouldnt have the top players qualifing for the US Open or Wimbledon.

    Ronnie mate top 16 players dont have to qualify for the Worlds, they get into the Masters, most in The Champion of Champions and in most other events they get seeded, if you dont like it sod off

    Would the tour survive with Ronnie yes
    Would the tour survive with Hearn no chance after everything he has done for snooker
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    The 1 and only thing I agree with which I pointed out yesterday was that there is no way Wilson should have played yesterday, he played until late in Coventry on Sunday, travelled to Northern Ireland yesteday for a game that evening, and Ronnie who was also in the final had a day of yesterday and got to play today

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  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    paulie8290 said:

    Gravesend_Addick said:

    Ronnie's on 1 again. Moaning about the state of the game & criticising Barry Hearn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/46198716

    He metioned tennis and said that you wouldnt have the top players qualifing for the US Open or Wimbledon.

    Ronnie mate top 16 players dont have to qualify for the Worlds, they get into the Masters, most in The Champion of Champions and in most other events they get seeded, if you dont like it sod off

    Would the tour survive with Ronnie yes
    Would the tour survive with Hearn no chance after everything he has done for snooker
    Caused mixed reactions online as ever, yes we know you dont like him. However the sport will be a big loss without Ronnie, whether you think so or not. He brings in the most viewers, is the fans fave, also probably the most that causes debate. Maybe even hated by alot too, this is all good for the game.

    When he does hang up, i dont see anyone who is going to replace him. Its the whole package, exciting to watch, his attitude, he is literally the marmite of snooker. This is my own opinion so not gospel, but i am pretty confident that he would be the biggest loss in Snooker to date. Higgins you had Hendry replace, you had Ronnie, Williams, Higgins, Selby, all of these superstars have not really been missed because there is a central figure. Although there are alot of upcoming players, none are like Ronnie, you would say Trump is the closest but he doesn't have the mental game and consistency or even talent ( just a potter imo, prefer Lisowski)

    Would the tour survive without Ronnie - Yes - Correct, however there would be a decrease in fans and popularity, he brings people through the door
    Would the tour survive without Hearn - No - Again you are correct, but he doesn't bring people through the door. He has just set up and given the sport more exposure and generated more money/ viewers. He is very good at that like he has done with the Darts.

    Ronnie will always cause a stir, get over it :)
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    johnnybev1987 said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Gravesend_Addick said:

    Ronnie's on 1 again. Moaning about the state of the game & criticising Barry Hearn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/46198716

    He metioned tennis and said that you wouldnt have the top players qualifing for the US Open or Wimbledon.

    Ronnie mate top 16 players dont have to qualify for the Worlds, they get into the Masters, most in The Champion of Champions and in most other events they get seeded, if you dont like it sod off

    Would the tour survive with Ronnie yes
    Would the tour survive with Hearn no chance after everything he has done for snooker
    Caused mixed reactions online as ever, yes we know you dont like him. However the sport will be a big loss without Ronnie, whether you think so or not. He brings in the most viewers, is the fans fave, also probably the most that causes debate. Maybe even hated by alot too, this is all good for the game.

    When he does hang up, i dont see anyone who is going to replace him. Its the whole package, exciting to watch, his attitude, he is literally the marmite of snooker. This is my own opinion so not gospel, but i am pretty confident that he would be the biggest loss in Snooker to date. Higgins you had Hendry replace, you had Ronnie, Williams, Higgins, Selby, all of these superstars have not really been missed because there is a central figure. Although there are alot of upcoming players, none are like Ronnie, you would say Trump is the closest but he doesn't have the mental game and consistency or even talent ( just a potter imo, prefer Lisowski)

    Would the tour survive without Ronnie - Yes - Correct, however there would be a decrease in fans and popularity, he brings people through the door
    Would the tour survive without Hearn - No - Again you are correct, but he doesn't bring people through the door. He has just set up and given the sport more exposure and generated more money/ viewers. He is very good at that like he has done with the Darts.

    Ronnie will always cause a stir, get over it :)
    All I was saying was every single tournement he moans at something, no one is forcing him to play, if he doesnt like it he can sod off.

    Ronnie doesnt play at every event and the crowds still go, yes the crowds love him but i highly doubt there would be half empty arenas without him.

    He just need to get on with playing and not moaning,

    Even before the Williams Carter match he had to have a dig at Carter, Andy Goldstein asked ROS if he had seen Carter around the arena and Ronnie said I saw him yesterday we didnt even look at each other, I will never forget his behaviour at Sheffield, Snooker is a non contact sport.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Sorry I forgot to update the final round 1 matches will do it now
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    paulie8290 said:

    johnnybev1987 said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Gravesend_Addick said:

    Ronnie's on 1 again. Moaning about the state of the game & criticising Barry Hearn:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/46198716

    He metioned tennis and said that you wouldnt have the top players qualifing for the US Open or Wimbledon.

    Ronnie mate top 16 players dont have to qualify for the Worlds, they get into the Masters, most in The Champion of Champions and in most other events they get seeded, if you dont like it sod off

    Would the tour survive with Ronnie yes
    Would the tour survive with Hearn no chance after everything he has done for snooker
    Caused mixed reactions online as ever, yes we know you dont like him. However the sport will be a big loss without Ronnie, whether you think so or not. He brings in the most viewers, is the fans fave, also probably the most that causes debate. Maybe even hated by alot too, this is all good for the game.

    When he does hang up, i dont see anyone who is going to replace him. Its the whole package, exciting to watch, his attitude, he is literally the marmite of snooker. This is my own opinion so not gospel, but i am pretty confident that he would be the biggest loss in Snooker to date. Higgins you had Hendry replace, you had Ronnie, Williams, Higgins, Selby, all of these superstars have not really been missed because there is a central figure. Although there are alot of upcoming players, none are like Ronnie, you would say Trump is the closest but he doesn't have the mental game and consistency or even talent ( just a potter imo, prefer Lisowski)

    Would the tour survive without Ronnie - Yes - Correct, however there would be a decrease in fans and popularity, he brings people through the door
    Would the tour survive without Hearn - No - Again you are correct, but he doesn't bring people through the door. He has just set up and given the sport more exposure and generated more money/ viewers. He is very good at that like he has done with the Darts.

    Ronnie will always cause a stir, get over it :)
    All I was saying was every single tournement he moans at something, no one is forcing him to play, if he doesnt like it he can sod off.

    Ronnie doesnt play at every event and the crowds still go, yes the crowds love him but i highly doubt there would be half empty arenas without him.

    He just need to get on with playing and not moaning,

    Even before the Williams Carter match he had to have a dig at Carter, Andy Goldstein asked ROS if he had seen Carter around the arena and Ronnie said I saw him yesterday we didnt even look at each other, I will never forget his behaviour at Sheffield, Snooker is a non contact sport.
    its just you dont like him, anyone opinionated will always have something to say. He is actually being constructive, even went onto say that if China had a tour which was run better he would play.

    I think he has a point, not necessarily Federer/Nadal argument, but sometimes it is pointless playing these lower level players unless they have earnt it. My view a flat 128 is a bit much, it gives more people opportunity but it also makes every tournament more of a shootout (Eg. Race to 4), i would much prefer quality where the UK used to be longer format. The World Championship is the only one which you can guarantee the winner deserved it. I liken it to me playing pool, if i was playing you race to 3/4 you would have alot more chance if i was playing race to 10-15. Its not that i think it should be tailored to the better players but, there are so many tournaments and nobodies who are considered professionals.

    There is no winner really, the new structuring should look after lower ranked players and give them more opportunities but you dont really see that happening too much.

    Its a tough task , but Barry does a great job. Still no reason why he shouldn't be challenged by their leading player
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Northern Ireland Open
    Round 1
    Results

    Chris Totten 4-3 Dominic Dale
    Dave Gilbert 4-1 Fergal O'Brien
    Kishan Hirani 4-3 Jak Jones
    Mark Kinh 4-0 John Astley
    Hammad Miah 4-2 Basem Eltahhan
    Lu Ning 4-3 Craig Steadman
    Mei Xiwen 4-0 Zhang Jiankang
    Peter Ebdon 4-0 Patrick Wallace
    Chen Feilong 4-2 Marco Fu
    Robbie Williams 4-0 Simon Lichtenberg
    Alan McManus 4-0 Allan Taylor
    Ronnie O'Sullivan 4-0 Soheil Vahedi
    Ross Muir 4-1 Elliot Slessor
    Sean O'Sullivan 4-1 Andy Lee
    Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 4-0 Rob Milkins
    Scott Donaldson 4-1 Ken Doherty
    Mark Selby 4-1 Anthony Hamilton
    Sam Baird 4-2 Shaun Murphy
    Sanderson Lam 4-3 Joe O'Conner
    Jack Lisowski 4-0 Hossein Vafaei
    Zhang Anda 4-3 Yan Bingtao
    Hamza Akbar 4-2 Ashley Hugill
    David Lilley 4-2 Duane Jones
    Jimmy Robertson 4-1 James Cahill
    Joe Swail 4-1 Luke Simmonds
    Judd Trump 4-2 Matt Selt
    Matthew Stevens 4-3 Ricky Walden
    Martin O'Donnell 4-3 Jimmy White
    Robin Hull 4-1 Jordan Brown
    Nigel Bond 4-2 Joe Perry
    Neil Robertson 4-3 Ben Woollaston
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Northern Ireland Open
    Round 2
    Results

    Luca Brecel 4-0 Ian Burns
    Li Hang 4-2 Sam Craigie
    Mark Davis 4-1 Luo Honghao
    Peter Ebdin 4-3 Lee Walker
    Andrew Higginson 4-3 Yuan Sijun
    Xiao Guodong 4-3 Akani Songsermsawad
    Gary Wilson 4-3 Daniel Wells
    Eden Sharav 4-2 Michael White
    Ryan Day 4-3 Zhang Anda
    Billy Joe Castle 4-1 Rory McLeod
    Robin Hull 4-1 Tian Pengfei
    Matthew Stevens 4-1 Gerard Greene
    Hamza Akbar 4-3 Alexander Ursenbacher
    Ali Carter 4-3 Mark Williams
    Dave Gilbert 4-2 Chen Zifan
    Joe Swail 4-2 Nigel Bond
    Michael Holt 4-3 Mark King
    Hammad Miah 4-0 Niu Zhuang
    Mark Selby 4-0 Jimmy Robertson
    Zhou Yuelong 4-0 Kishan Hirani
    Lu Ning 4-1 Alan McManus
    Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 4-0 Ross Muir
    Neil Robertson 4-3 Kurt Maflin
    Ronnie O'Sulluvan 4-1 Mei Xiwen
    Tom Ford 4-3 Chris Wakelin
    Chris Totten 4-3 Sam Baird
    Scott Donaldson 4-2 David Lilley
    Robbie Williams 4-2 Peter Lines
    Sanderson Lam 4-3 Sean O'Sullivan
    Martin O'Donnell 4-1 Chen Feilong
    Judd Trump 4-0 Stuart Carrington
    Jack Lisowski 4-3 Liam Highfield
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Northern Ireland Open
    Round 3
    Fixtures(gonna split them into the quarters)

    Ali Carter(18) v Xiao Guodong(26)
    Joe Swail(98) v Eden Sharav(77)

    Li Hang(39) v Neil Robertson(11)
    Mark Davis(34) v Peter Ebdon(51)

    Would expext to see a Carter v Robertson quarter final
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Judd Trump(5) v Jack Lisowski(17) the 3rd time these 2 have meet in the past month and they met at the exact same stage of the English Open
    Luca Brecel(13) v Gary Wilson(38)

    Robin Hull(81) v Ryan Day(14)
    Andrew Higginson(57) v Billy Joe Castle(96)

    Personally see it as a Lisowski v Day quarter final or Trump V Day
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Ronnie O'Sullivan(3) v Tom Ford(36)
    Michael Holt(45) v Zhou Yuelong(32)

    Lu Ning(123) v Hammad Miah(122)
    Matthew Stevens(44) v Dave Gilbert(22)

    O'Sulluvan v Stevens in the quarters for me
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Chris Totten(91) v Thepchaiya Un-Nooh(62)
    Robbie Williams(63) v Sanderson Lam(108)

    Scott Donaldson(53) v Martin O'Donnell(60)
    Hamza Akbar(102) v Mark Selby(1)

    Selby v Un-Nooh in the quarters for me
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    Yay we are playing that game again :)

    Was going to predict the quarters, but i agree with you on all, potentially Xiao Guodong instead of Carter but only to be different.
    Same with Trump/ Lisowski, ill go for Trump to be different but pretty much agree with you on the predictions.

    I see there was more drama with Ronnie, he broke off and hit the blue? Never in my life have i done that. I have probably missed the pack with a miscue but not sure how that is possible?
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    johnnybev1987 said:

    Yay we are playing that game again :)

    Was going to predict the quarters, but i agree with you on all, potentially Xiao Guodong instead of Carter but only to be different.
    Same with Trump/ Lisowski, ill go for Trump to be different but pretty much agree with you on the predictions.

    I see there was more drama with Ronnie, he broke off and hit the blue? Never in my life have i done that. I have probably missed the pack with a miscue but not sure how that is possible?

    It was 1-1 and he was clearly bored and tried to be over clever, he tried something that I have never seen nor had the comentators, he put the White next to the green, then tried to hit the pack on the Yellow side and misjudged it and hit the blue
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,412
    paulie8290 said:

    johnnybev1987 said:

    Yay we are playing that game again :)

    Was going to predict the quarters, but i agree with you on all, potentially Xiao Guodong instead of Carter but only to be different.
    Same with Trump/ Lisowski, ill go for Trump to be different but pretty much agree with you on the predictions.

    I see there was more drama with Ronnie, he broke off and hit the blue? Never in my life have i done that. I have probably missed the pack with a miscue but not sure how that is possible?

    It was 1-1 and he was clearly bored and tried to be over clever, he tried something that I have never seen nor had the comentators, he put the White next to the green, then tried to hit the pack on the Yellow side and misjudged it and hit the blue
    All very odd that, i did see the clip briefly but didn't really pay too much attention. I saw comments saying how disrespectful he was, also could see he did look disinterested. Thats Ronnie for you, there is a fine line between genius / Insanity.

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