Ongoing opposition to horse racing and the success we realise
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I think you're both on the same side of the argument and getting your wires mixed.RaplhMilne said:
Please explain, how in the context I used that term, it is racist ?Goonerhater said:White English People ??? No paddies like horse racing then or does that not fit into your racism
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No Horse Racing = No Race Horses, who wins then?.
Make the fences safer & make the races shorter so there are less tired horses, but more urgently get this thread title sorted.
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Doesn't make it right!bobmunro said:
Man has been dominating animals for as long as man has been eating meat - a bit like lions dominating zebra. Domestication made it easier and man has been riding horses as a tool of transport for anywhere between 4000 and 6000 years.sillav nitram said:
I personally wouldn’t call pushing an animal to its limits, Sport, I’d call it abuse and sport for who, I doubt the horse would call it sport?alan dugdale said:
Not a question of hiding it away. As for the Sport of Kings thread - the clue is in the name. SPORT.Anna_Kissed said:Ah. Hide it away where most people won't see it. And, meanwhile, business as usual for The Sport of Kings thread, the Betting thread, etc. That's the way, isn't it?
Anyway... the petition was but one part of the arsenal. Some sneered at it, predicting that it would fail to reach 50,000.
The debate in the Commons raised issues that would not have been aired had the petition not occurred. The authorities were rattled by it and the publicity that resulted.
The BHA's review and the Jockey Club's re-siting of the fence could have happened in years past, had the will been there to do so. There were, after all, multiple deaths before 2018. Now, at last, we see some degree of change.
It has not been easy. For example, I wrote to the racecourse and was ignored. So I wrote again. And again, no response.
Numerous others contacted them, too. We don't give up.
This is a public forum. Issues of concern can be raised and debated in the public domain.
Another example of Mans assumption that because he can dominate another species he should do so and then stick Sport in the title and that makes it ok!
Why don’t we have Piggy 🐷 Back racing and the Jockey 🏇 can whip the man instead!
As a lover of horseracing I am delighted that Cheltenham are taking further steps to improve the safety of horse and jockey - a process that has been ongoing for a number of years. I welcome the changes and support them unreservedly.
The ultimate aim however for the horse welfare lobby is to ban horseracing completely - something that I would not support.
Not a very good analogy because that's about food and survival.
Yes and Horses, Donkeys, Elephants and many other animals are used in the name of Tourist enjoyment, flogging animals under the midday sun to take tourists around cities to see "the sights" not being given sufficient rest, water and food. Once again Man exploiting others, as he always does!1 -
Boycott FedEx now. Exploiting animals like they do.sillav nitram said:
Doesn't make it right!bobmunro said:
Man has been dominating animals for as long as man has been eating meat - a bit like lions dominating zebra. Domestication made it easier and man has been riding horses as a tool of transport for anywhere between 4000 and 6000 years.sillav nitram said:
I personally wouldn’t call pushing an animal to its limits, Sport, I’d call it abuse and sport for who, I doubt the horse would call it sport?alan dugdale said:
Not a question of hiding it away. As for the Sport of Kings thread - the clue is in the name. SPORT.Anna_Kissed said:Ah. Hide it away where most people won't see it. And, meanwhile, business as usual for The Sport of Kings thread, the Betting thread, etc. That's the way, isn't it?
Anyway... the petition was but one part of the arsenal. Some sneered at it, predicting that it would fail to reach 50,000.
The debate in the Commons raised issues that would not have been aired had the petition not occurred. The authorities were rattled by it and the publicity that resulted.
The BHA's review and the Jockey Club's re-siting of the fence could have happened in years past, had the will been there to do so. There were, after all, multiple deaths before 2018. Now, at last, we see some degree of change.
It has not been easy. For example, I wrote to the racecourse and was ignored. So I wrote again. And again, no response.
Numerous others contacted them, too. We don't give up.
This is a public forum. Issues of concern can be raised and debated in the public domain.
Another example of Mans assumption that because he can dominate another species he should do so and then stick Sport in the title and that makes it ok!
Why don’t we have Piggy 🐷 Back racing and the Jockey 🏇 can whip the man instead!
As a lover of horseracing I am delighted that Cheltenham are taking further steps to improve the safety of horse and jockey - a process that has been ongoing for a number of years. I welcome the changes and support them unreservedly.
The ultimate aim however for the horse welfare lobby is to ban horseracing completely - something that I would not support.
Not a very good analogy because that's about food and survival.
Yes and Horses, Donkeys, Elephants and many other animals are used in the name of Tourist enjoyment, flogging animals under the midday sun to take tourists around cities to see "the sights" not being given sufficient rest, water and food. Once again Man exploiting others, as he always does!
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And your point is?Addickted said:
Boycott FedEx now. Exploiting animals like they do.sillav nitram said:
Doesn't make it right!bobmunro said:
Man has been dominating animals for as long as man has been eating meat - a bit like lions dominating zebra. Domestication made it easier and man has been riding horses as a tool of transport for anywhere between 4000 and 6000 years.sillav nitram said:
I personally wouldn’t call pushing an animal to its limits, Sport, I’d call it abuse and sport for who, I doubt the horse would call it sport?alan dugdale said:
Not a question of hiding it away. As for the Sport of Kings thread - the clue is in the name. SPORT.Anna_Kissed said:Ah. Hide it away where most people won't see it. And, meanwhile, business as usual for The Sport of Kings thread, the Betting thread, etc. That's the way, isn't it?
Anyway... the petition was but one part of the arsenal. Some sneered at it, predicting that it would fail to reach 50,000.
The debate in the Commons raised issues that would not have been aired had the petition not occurred. The authorities were rattled by it and the publicity that resulted.
The BHA's review and the Jockey Club's re-siting of the fence could have happened in years past, had the will been there to do so. There were, after all, multiple deaths before 2018. Now, at last, we see some degree of change.
It has not been easy. For example, I wrote to the racecourse and was ignored. So I wrote again. And again, no response.
Numerous others contacted them, too. We don't give up.
This is a public forum. Issues of concern can be raised and debated in the public domain.
Another example of Mans assumption that because he can dominate another species he should do so and then stick Sport in the title and that makes it ok!
Why don’t we have Piggy 🐷 Back racing and the Jockey 🏇 can whip the man instead!
As a lover of horseracing I am delighted that Cheltenham are taking further steps to improve the safety of horse and jockey - a process that has been ongoing for a number of years. I welcome the changes and support them unreservedly.
The ultimate aim however for the horse welfare lobby is to ban horseracing completely - something that I would not support.
Not a very good analogy because that's about food and survival.
Yes and Horses, Donkeys, Elephants and many other animals are used in the name of Tourist enjoyment, flogging animals under the midday sun to take tourists around cities to see "the sights" not being given sufficient rest, water and food. Once again Man exploiting others, as he always does!
ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS
to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment, or abuse in any other way.
Peta.2 -
Most animals are rubbish.
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You may not have seen it, but we've definitely had that discussion on here (probably more than once, knowing CL).alan dugdale said:I never see a thread about the process of halal meat on here. You know, the slaughter of live animals.
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Thanks. Another poster sent me the link to such a thread which began in April 2018.Gillis said:
You may not have seen it, but we've definitely had that discussion on here (probably more than once, knowing CL).alan dugdale said:I never see a thread about the process of halal meat on here. You know, the slaughter of live animals.
Given how close the Cheltenham Festival, Aintree Festival and the underhand petition thread were, I found it surprising that those who are so anti horse racing and all for animal welfare, failed to comment on the thread let alone start one.0 -
The point being humans have always exploited other animals - whether horses or other humans.sillav nitram said:
And your point is?Addickted said:
Boycott FedEx now. Exploiting animals like they do.sillav nitram said:
Doesn't make it right!bobmunro said:
Man has been dominating animals for as long as man has been eating meat - a bit like lions dominating zebra. Domestication made it easier and man has been riding horses as a tool of transport for anywhere between 4000 and 6000 years.sillav nitram said:
I personally wouldn’t call pushing an animal to its limits, Sport, I’d call it abuse and sport for who, I doubt the horse would call it sport?alan dugdale said:
Not a question of hiding it away. As for the Sport of Kings thread - the clue is in the name. SPORT.Anna_Kissed said:Ah. Hide it away where most people won't see it. And, meanwhile, business as usual for The Sport of Kings thread, the Betting thread, etc. That's the way, isn't it?
Anyway... the petition was but one part of the arsenal. Some sneered at it, predicting that it would fail to reach 50,000.
The debate in the Commons raised issues that would not have been aired had the petition not occurred. The authorities were rattled by it and the publicity that resulted.
The BHA's review and the Jockey Club's re-siting of the fence could have happened in years past, had the will been there to do so. There were, after all, multiple deaths before 2018. Now, at last, we see some degree of change.
It has not been easy. For example, I wrote to the racecourse and was ignored. So I wrote again. And again, no response.
Numerous others contacted them, too. We don't give up.
This is a public forum. Issues of concern can be raised and debated in the public domain.
Another example of Mans assumption that because he can dominate another species he should do so and then stick Sport in the title and that makes it ok!
Why don’t we have Piggy 🐷 Back racing and the Jockey 🏇 can whip the man instead!
As a lover of horseracing I am delighted that Cheltenham are taking further steps to improve the safety of horse and jockey - a process that has been ongoing for a number of years. I welcome the changes and support them unreservedly.
The ultimate aim however for the horse welfare lobby is to ban horseracing completely - something that I would not support.
Not a very good analogy because that's about food and survival.
Yes and Horses, Donkeys, Elephants and many other animals are used in the name of Tourist enjoyment, flogging animals under the midday sun to take tourists around cities to see "the sights" not being given sufficient rest, water and food. Once again Man exploiting others, as he always does!
ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS
to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment, or abuse in any other way.
Peta.
That, and trying to inject some humour into the thread.0 -
Surely there's a place in sport for humans to race along carrying horses on their backs?3
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Puzzled why we now frown upon animals being exploited for “entertainment” in circus’s and only acceptable in zoos when associated with conservation projects but are quite happy to train horses to be exploited for human entertainment with racing and show jumping.2
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Especially with the case of Darren Weir prominent in the news.ShootersHillGuru said:Puzzled why we now frown upon animals being exploited for “entertainment” in circus’s and only acceptable in zoos when associated with conservation projects but are quite happy to train horses to be exploited for human entertainment with racing and show jumping.
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Why on earth was my comment deleted? He is clearly being facetious and attention seeking0
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https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/84579/admin-moderation-update-please-read#latestCAFCsayer said:Why on earth was my comment deleted? He is clearly being facetious and attention seeking
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No. Your post followed mine without further clues.CAFCsayer said:
That is why I assumed you were talking to me.0 -
Horses love to runShootersHillGuru said:Puzzled why we now frown upon animals being exploited for “entertainment” in circus’s and only acceptable in zoos when associated with conservation projects but are quite happy to train horses to be exploited for human entertainment with racing and show jumping.
Bears don’t like to dance, juggle , balance on balls4 -
I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
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I am now imagining a horse at The Job Centre signing on and being told he cant do office work because he doesnt have the skills but there is an opening in the 4.30 and Aintree and if he doesnt take it his JSA will be suspendedalburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
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That would explain his long face when he collected his giro.
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Maybe but not necessarily with someone on their back using a whip!MrOneLung said:Puzzled why we now frown upon animals being exploited for “entertainment” in circus’s and only acceptable in zoos when associated with conservation projects but are quite happy to train horses to be exploited for human entertainment with racing and show jumping.
<b> Horses love to run </b> Bears don’t like to dance, juggle , balance on balls1 -
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
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Why do you need to inject humour?Addickted said:
The point being humans have always exploited other animals - whether horses or other humans. That, and trying to inject some humour into the thread.
And your point is? ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment, or abuse in any other way. Peta.
Boycott FedEx now. Exploiting animals like they do.
Doesn't make it right! Not a very good analogy because that's about food and survival. Yes and Horses, Donkeys, Elephants and many other animals are used in the name of Tourist enjoyment, flogging animals under the midday sun to take tourists around cities to see "the sights" not being given sufficient rest, water and food. Once again Man exploiting others, as he always does!
Man has been dominating animals for as long as man has been eating meat - a bit like lions dominating zebra. Domestication made it easier and man has been riding horses as a tool of transport for anywhere between 4000 and 6000 years. As a lover of horseracing I am delighted that Cheltenham are taking further steps to improve the safety of horse and jockey - a process that has been ongoing for a number of years. I welcome the changes and support them unreservedly. The ultimate aim however for the horse welfare lobby is to ban horseracing completely - something that I would not support.
I personally wouldn’t call pushing an animal to its limits, Sport, I’d call it abuse and sport for who, I doubt the horse would call it sport? Another example of Mans assumption that because he can dominate another species he should do so and then stick Sport in the title and that makes it ok! Why don’t we have Piggy 🐷 Back racing and the Jockey 🏇 can whip the man instead!Ah. Hide it away where most people won't see it. And, meanwhile, business as usual for The Sport of Kings thread, the Betting thread, etc. That's the way, isn't it? Anyway... the petition was but one part of the arsenal. Some sneered at it, predicting that it would fail to reach 50,000. The debate in the Commons raised issues that would not have been aired had the petition not occurred. The authorities were rattled by it and the publicity that resulted. The BHA's review and the Jockey Club's re-siting of the fence could have happened in years past, had the will been there to do so. There were, after all, multiple deaths before 2018. Now, at last, we see some degree of change. It has not been easy. For example, I wrote to the racecourse and was ignored. So I wrote again. And again, no response. Numerous others contacted them, too. We don't give up. This is a public forum. Issues of concern can be raised and debated in the public domain.
Not a question of hiding it away. As for the Sport of Kings thread - the clue is in the name. SPORT.
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So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
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I think spending some time at a racing stables can be very instructive. The horses are much loved and extremely well cared for. Watching them going out to the gallops for exercise on a misty early morning is an incredible sight, and the horses seem to love it. Obviously it’s an impossible scenario, but if you were to ask any of them ‘would you rather not be born?’ I suspect they’d neigh loudly in horror at the suggestion.
Obviously making it safer is always a good thing, and I know one friend in particular who loves racing, but won’t go to National Hunt meetings, because of the risk of injury to the horses.5 -
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.0 -
Unless the animals enjoy their lives presumably?sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.0 -
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?0 -
I don't think the vegan, anti horse racing, anti fun brigade, will be content until everyone is as miserable as them
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