Ongoing opposition to horse racing and the success we realise
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I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?0 -
Well as they can’t speak, we’ll never know!JamesSeed said:
Unless the animals enjoy their lives presumably?sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.0 -
Who says they can’t!sillav nitram said:
Well as they can’t speak, we’ll never know!JamesSeed said:
Unless the animals enjoy their lives presumably?sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
And Peta has a checkered history.0 -
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
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It's clear that they would like to see the extinction of many species of animal then.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?0 -
I've also experienced that the same anti pollution, vegan, anti horse racing people are happy to ask for a lift to Southend as long as they don't have to pay their share of the petrol and don't buy a round, despite having enjoyed 5 previous rounds. The truth sounds rather nasty. But them's the facts. Apologies for saying it as it is.2
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Yes. Evidence suggests it’s not a good indicator, that it will benefit humans.bobmunro said:
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
And what gives us the right to do that, other than Mans ability to dominate another species?0 -
That’s an incredibly sweeping generalisation.Covered End said:I've also experienced that the same anti pollution, vegan, anti horse racing people are happy to ask for a lift to Southend as long as they don't have to pay their share of the petrol and don't buy a round, despite having enjoyed 5 previous rounds. The truth sounds rather nasty. But them's the facts. Apologies for saying it as it is.4 -
You seem to be missing the point.superclive98 said:
It's clear that they would like to see the extinction of many species of animal then.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?0 -
Don’t tell me, you’re a horse whisperer?JamesSeed said:
Who says they can’t!sillav nitram said:
Well as they can’t speak, we’ll never know!JamesSeed said:
Unless the animals enjoy their lives presumably?sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
And Peta has a checkered history.
Of course they can communicate but it you asked the question, would you prefer to be ridden to extremes, sometimes be made to jump over ridiculously high fences and beaten with a whip or leisurely gamble in a paddock, I’m not sure they could make that distinction.0 -
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You could point out where I'm going wrong.sillav nitram said:
You seem to be missing the point.superclive98 said:
It's clear that they would like to see the extinction of many species of animal then.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?0 -
sillav nitram said:
Yes. Evidence suggests it’s not a good indicator, that it will benefit humans.bobmunro said:
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
And what gives us the right to do that, other than Mans ability to dominate another species?If you’ve ever taken antibiotics, had a vaccine, a blood transfusion, dialysis, an organ transplant, chemotherapy, bypass surgery or joint replacement, you have benefitted from animal testing and research. In fact, practically every drug, treatment, medical device, diagnostic tool or cure we have today was developed with the help of lab animals.
Many diseases that once killed millions of people every year are now either preventable, treatable or have been eradicated altogether. Immunizations against polio, diphtheria, mumps, rubella and hepatitis save countless lives and the survival rates for many major diseases are at an all-time high thanks to the discovery of new drugs and the design of sophisticated medical devices and surgical procedures.
Let's hope you need none of the above to live, eh.
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Surely if you ban horse racing you have to look at equestrian events as well (sorry if the point has already been made). The cross country endurance must be every bit as demanding as the Grand National for example or Melbourne Cup.2
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I don’t think the sport should be banned, but I would support getting rid of steeple chase and only having flat races or small hurdles.1
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Agree.Blackheathen said:Surely if you ban horse racing you have to look at equestrian events as well (sorry if the point has already been made). The cross country endurance must be every bit as demanding as the Grand National for example or Melbourne Cup.1 -
You may be right.Addickted said:sillav nitram said:
Yes. Evidence suggests it’s not a good indicator, that it will benefit humans.bobmunro said:
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
And what gives us the right to do that, other than Mans ability to dominate another species?If you’ve ever taken antibiotics, had a vaccine, a blood transfusion, dialysis, an organ transplant, chemotherapy, bypass surgery or joint replacement, you have benefitted from animal testing and research. In fact, practically every drug, treatment, medical device, diagnostic tool or cure we have today was developed with the help of lab animals.
Many diseases that once killed millions of people every year are now either preventable, treatable or have been eradicated altogether. Immunizations against polio, diphtheria, mumps, rubella and hepatitis save countless lives and the survival rates for many major diseases are at an all-time high thanks to the discovery of new drugs and the design of sophisticated medical devices and surgical procedures.
Let's hope you need none of the above to live, eh.
I don't take antibiotics, we now know that they aren't necessarily effective and there's now a stance not to prescribe them. Luckily I haven't had any operations since I was a kid and back then I wouldn't have known any better.
Man does what he does because he has the power to dominate, not only animals but his own race.
I wonder how we would feel if we were suddenly helpless against a much stronger race who dominated us?
I simply don't agree we should exploit animals, for me it's not ethical and if you take the Buddhist stance and that is, Not to harm another living creature and Man does over and over again, often for his own pleasure.0 -
So if you needed an operation now when you know better you would turn it down?0
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This thread concerns opposition to horse racing and how the authorities are being influenced by that opposition.
Place the discussion of other issues elsewhere, please.
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Equine flu seems to have stopped horse racing for the foreseeable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/47161779
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So everyone else has to follow the rules, Except for you?Anna_Kissed said:This thread concerns opposition to horse racing and how the authorities are being influenced by that opposition.
Place the discussion of other issues elsewhere, please.
I bet you had a bacon sarnie for breakfast too.16 -
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They are not being influenced though..........and does that mean you will no longer go on other threads and talk about things that have no relevance to the title Sport Of Kings,Cheltenham Festival etc?1
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I've benefitted from them but now I wouldn't want to and don't.Addickted said:sillav nitram said:
Yes. Evidence suggests it’s not a good indicator, that it will benefit humans.bobmunro said:
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
And what gives us the right to do that, other than Mans ability to dominate another species?If you’ve ever taken antibiotics, had a vaccine, a blood transfusion, dialysis, an organ transplant, chemotherapy, bypass surgery or joint replacement, you have benefitted from animal testing and research. In fact, practically every drug, treatment, medical device, diagnostic tool or cure we have today was developed with the help of lab animals.
Many diseases that once killed millions of people every year are now either preventable, treatable or have been eradicated altogether. Immunizations against polio, diphtheria, mumps, rubella and hepatitis save countless lives and the survival rates for many major diseases are at an all-time high thanks to the discovery of new drugs and the design of sophisticated medical devices and surgical procedures.
Let's hope you need none of the above to live, eh.
There are ways to test drugs without abusing animals.
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So, if faced with a life threatening condition, Sepsis for example, you’d reject the use of life saving antibiotics ?iainment said:
I've benefitted from them but now I wouldn't want to and don't.Addickted said:sillav nitram said:
Yes. Evidence suggests it’s not a good indicator, that it will benefit humans.bobmunro said:
So you agree with the position that medical research for the benefit of mankind should not be carried out using animals?sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
And what gives us the right to do that, other than Mans ability to dominate another species?If you’ve ever taken antibiotics, had a vaccine, a blood transfusion, dialysis, an organ transplant, chemotherapy, bypass surgery or joint replacement, you have benefitted from animal testing and research. In fact, practically every drug, treatment, medical device, diagnostic tool or cure we have today was developed with the help of lab animals.
Many diseases that once killed millions of people every year are now either preventable, treatable or have been eradicated altogether. Immunizations against polio, diphtheria, mumps, rubella and hepatitis save countless lives and the survival rates for many major diseases are at an all-time high thanks to the discovery of new drugs and the design of sophisticated medical devices and surgical procedures.
Let's hope you need none of the above to live, eh.
There are ways to test drugs without abusing animals.0 -
what a suprise, im going to mention a topic and you are not allowed to comment on it if your opinion does not agree with mine.Anna_Kissed said:This thread concerns opposition to horse racing and how the authorities are being influenced by that opposition.
Place the discussion of other issues elsewhere, please.
this defo belongs on the politics thread!!.4 -
Problem is PETA are a society of morons.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
That quote doesn't even make sense. Animals aren't ours to entertain? What?0 -
It’s the same old posters every year. Yet when you ask a direct question, silence.1
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If that’s your attitude and you can’t understand it then what does that say about you?Fiiish said:
Problem is PETA are a society of morons.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
That quote doesn't even make sense. Animals aren't ours to entertain? What?0 -
killer kish said:So if you needed an operation now when you know better you would turn it down?
Come on martin, give us an answer.....0 -
Ah ok you're right, I could never be the mastermind behind such brilliant campaigns such as this one:sillav nitram said:
If that’s your attitude and you can’t understand it then what does that say about you?Fiiish said:
Problem is PETA are a society of morons.sillav nitram said:
I repeat, I don’t think animals should be bred/used for our sporting pleasure!superclive98 said:
So you want the thoroughbred horse to cease to exist.sillav nitram said:
Well, I’m thinking if they’re not bred, then presumably they won’t exist, so then it doesn’t matter?superclive98 said:
So, as someone has asked before, would you rather they were not bred at all?sillav nitram said:
Well if they’re bred for racing then that would suggest they are forced, do they have a choice?alburyaddick said:I never understand this no horse racing argument
the horses are bred specifically to race so if you banned it they wouldn’t exist - that’s a net loss of c 20,000 horses every year - that doesn’t seem like a great benefit to society to wipe them out.
they don’t just meander about wandering up the high street wondering what to do next and get forced into racing.
I don’t think animals should be bred for our sporting pleasure.
Cats and dogs and various other pets are also only bred for the enjoyment/pleasure of the human race. I take it you want all of those animals to also cease to exist?
I’ll repeat the Peta quote,
‘Animals are not ours, to experiment on, eat, wear, entertain or abuse.’
I think that’s a very clear message, isn’t it?
That quote doesn't even make sense. Animals aren't ours to entertain? What?
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17257234.wool-parish-council-rejects-petas-request-to-re-name-village-vegan-wool/
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