Kent CCC 2019
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That's a great idea.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Takeover in progress ?sillav nitram said:
Thanks for posting.Callumcafc said:
Anyone know if there’s an issue with the Kent website can’t access it?
Surrey deciding they need to expand their empire ......0 -
Yes, the club seems to be in a much healthier state nowwmcf123 said:
There’s evidently a bit more money around - I doubt any of the overseas players have come cheap and I can’t imagine Trott is working for freekillerandflash said:
Yes it's interesting that we've really tailored our T20 side towards white ball specialists, only 5 out of the 11 are regular red ball players as wellAddick Addict said:
Stevo has only played two games for Derbyshire and scored 5 runs in two innings and recorded figures of 3-0-33-0.Addick Addict said:Stevens' stats for T20:
2018 - didn't play
2017 - scored 113 runs at an average of 14.12 and took 4 wickets at 39.75 with economy rate of 8.67
2016 - scored 168 runs at an average of 15.27 and took 11 wickets at 33.71 with economy rate of 9.45
Trying to put aside our recognition of Stevens as being a fantastic servant to us and specifically talking about T20 where the third discipline, fielding, is such a major factor, if we had signed a 43 year with that sort of record would we be quite so enthusiastic about him?
Hard decisions have to be made in professional sport and whilst he is still very good in red ball cricket, he would not get into our white ball squad let alone side.
I hope that the Club and supporters give him a decent send off at the end of the season.
Serious money does need to be spent on the Canterbury ground though, which is looking very tired in places.0 -
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/17265/scorecard/64148/australia-vs-england-only-odi-england-marylebone-cricket-club-tour-of-australia-1970-71Riviera said:Colin Cowdrey or Lord Cowdrey of Tonbridge, to give him his official title, played in the inaugural One Day International.
I see Boycott and Edrich opened the batting for England, Boycott scoring 8 from 37 balls!0 -
Wrong !last_line said:Surrey = Palace
I have lived in Surrey for 25 years but Kent for me despite being born at Lying-in Hospital, York Rd, Lambeth. 1.5 miles from the oval. Escaping to the Garden of England in my childhood days turned me into a Kent and Charlton fan.
I have a doppelganger who supports Surrey and Millwall in a parallel universe.4 -
But I asked what YOU would say, @cantersaddickcantersaddick said:
Just repeating what the sky commentators said.Chizz said:
Would you say that the pitch (which was covered while the rain was falling) was noticeably drier in the eighth over of the match (when Kent were batting) than the seventh (when Surrey were)?cantersaddick said:
Was particularly difficult batting conditions. As the commentators said before the game win the toss and chase and you will win. Pitch had longer to dry out and you got the best of the conditions.Callumcafc said:
Erm difficult batting conditions you say?cantersaddick said:Very very difficult batting conditions. I'd rather be chasing and kent defo in the driving seat but I wouldn't write surrey off just yet.
Having said that we were always well short of where we needed to be.
There's obviously an advantage in batting second when the game is shortened. But would you really say the pitch conditions in what was an eleven-over match made much difference?
Before the game "win the toss win the game, chasing will be much easier".
After the game "Kent got the much better of the conditions".
I'll trust what knight, Sanga, Butch and Key said.
I know they may well have said, before the game, that the pitch might have longer to dry out (what length match was being planned at the time of the toss?) - but what do YOU think? Do you think the dryness of the pitch was an exacerbating factor in Surrey's defeat?
Or would you agree that the pitch conditions didn't materially change significantly over the course of the eleven overs of the game?0 -
I am not sure where the pathetic need to denigrate Colin Cowdrey comes from as the man along with Peter May and Tom Graveney was one of the classiest batsmen of his era while being one of finest slip fielders in the game as well as being a Charlton supporter and one time Director.
Anyone who had the pleasure of watching him effortlessly absolutely destroy John Snow in a 60 over Gillette semi-final at Canterbury will know what I mean. It was an exhibition of pure timing as he stroked the ball around to secure boundary after boundary. Snow, England's premier fast bowler at the time, looked like a schoolboy.
Equally I am not sure where someone is getting their information but 8 of the Kent squad last night were born in England and 7 are eligible for England.
Bell- Drummond, Crawley, Blake, Robinson, Milnes, Cox, Qayyam, with Klaassen of Dutch parentage born in Sussex. Does he have to go to the Netherlands to play his cricket or can he play in the country of his birth?
All of this excluding of course absentees Billings and Denly who would normally be in the squad.
Of the six "overseas" players in the full squad;
- Dickson is of Kentish stock. His mother comes from Beckenham
- Two are the allocated overseas recruit every county makes - Nabi and Milne
- Leaving just two "questionable" Kolpak" signings Kuhn and Viljoen and Stewart an Aussie Italian developed through the 2nds (as indeed was Dickson)
Of course we can also ignore overseas players have been part and parcel of our cricket for decades.
In case you had not noticed it helps put bums on seats and drives the financial well being of the game for every County. For those not favoured with the benefits of Test Arena such mechanisms are helpful in trying to redress the financial imbalance while improving the overall standard of the game for everybody.
BTW how is Morkel doing these days?
Still never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge eh!
Kent have after many years chosen to invest in players to raise the standard of its County side commensurate with the 2nd largest cricket playing population in the country.
And that can only be a healthy approach for the long term health of the professional game in the County.
I just thought we played rather well!
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I know you're being your usual deliberately difficult self but I'll engage you this once.Chizz said:
But I asked what YOU would say, @cantersaddickcantersaddick said:
Just repeating what the sky commentators said.Chizz said:
Would you say that the pitch (which was covered while the rain was falling) was noticeably drier in the eighth over of the match (when Kent were batting) than the seventh (when Surrey were)?cantersaddick said:
Was particularly difficult batting conditions. As the commentators said before the game win the toss and chase and you will win. Pitch had longer to dry out and you got the best of the conditions.Callumcafc said:
Erm difficult batting conditions you say?cantersaddick said:Very very difficult batting conditions. I'd rather be chasing and kent defo in the driving seat but I wouldn't write surrey off just yet.
Having said that we were always well short of where we needed to be.
There's obviously an advantage in batting second when the game is shortened. But would you really say the pitch conditions in what was an eleven-over match made much difference?
Before the game "win the toss win the game, chasing will be much easier".
After the game "Kent got the much better of the conditions".
I'll trust what knight, Sanga, Butch and Key said.
I know they may well have said, before the game, that the pitch might have longer to dry out (what length match was being planned at the time of the toss?) - but what do YOU think? Do you think the dryness of the pitch was an exacerbating factor in Surrey's defeat?
Or would you agree that the pitch conditions didn't materially change significantly over the course of the eleven overs of the game?
I would say yes there was a pretty big difference. Watch the first over of the match again when the ball was moving absolute miles and very late which made Ollie Robinson look a bit foolish behind the stumps 3 times in that over and had both Jack's and finch tied in knots. The result being a maiden with 3 lucky leg byes off it. Compare that to the over TC bowled (a comparative bowler in the surrey innings and I'll discount Clarke's over as that deserved to be despatched whatever the conditions.) And see how much less the ball moved.
I would argue that TC in normal circumstances is much more a proponent of getting the ball to move than Milne.
So yes I would say there was a material difference between the start of our innings and the middle of Kent's with gradual changes in between.0 -
Says Mr Pompous Up his own Arse.Riviera said:
Don't feed the troll.Chizz said:
Neither of those played tonight. Their inclusion might have evened up the sides a bit, but I doubt think it would have changed the result.The_President said:
Colin Cowdrey was born in Madras and Mike Denness was born in Lanarkshire.Todds_right_hook said:The_President said:Then along with Burns,Roy,Curran all with England.
Roy and Curran were born where? It wasn’t Banstead
Your next point is?
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Oddly I don't find it strange that no one can counter my argument about 9 England eligible players for Surrey and 4 for Kent.
All you can do is Lol someone else's patronising comment.
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Because it's not 4. Care to clarify which 4 you think it is. I would do your research before doing so though.The_President said:Oddly I don't find it strange that no one can counter my argument about 9 England eligible players for Surrey and 4 for Kent.
All you can do is Lol someone else's patronising comment.1 - Sponsored links:
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I have always said 4, I believe (if you check previous comments) - not done any research, waiting for someone to say otherwise , but no one has doubted it so far.Addick Addict said:
Because it's not 4. Care to clarify which 4 you think it is. I would do your research before doing so though.The_President said:Oddly I don't find it strange that no one can counter my argument about 9 England eligible players for Surrey and 4 for Kent.
All you can do is Lol someone else's patronising comment.
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The_President said:
I have always said 4, I believe (if you check previous comments) - not done any research, waiting for someone to say otherwise , but no one has doubted it so far.Addick Addict said:
Because it's not 4. Care to clarify which 4 you think it is. I would do your research before doing so though.The_President said:Oddly I don't find it strange that no one can counter my argument about 9 England eligible players for Surrey and 4 for Kent.
All you can do is Lol someone else's patronising comment.Grapevine49 said:I am not sure where the pathetic need to denigrate Colin Cowdrey comes from as the man along with Peter May and Tom Graveney was one of the classiest batsmen of his era while being one of finest slip fielders in the game as well as being a Charlton supporter and one time Director.
Anyone who had the pleasure of watching him effortlessly absolutely destroy John Snow in a 60 over Gillette semi-final at Canterbury will know what I mean. It was an exhibition of pure timing as he stroked the ball around to secure boundary after boundary. Snow, England's premier fast bowler at the time, looked like a schoolboy.
Equally I am not sure where someone is getting their information but 8 of the Kent squad last night were born in England and 7 are eligible for England.
Bell- Drummond, Crawley, Blake, Robinson, Milnes, Cox, Qayyam, with Klaassen of Dutch parentage born in Sussex. Does he have to go to the Netherlands to play his cricket or can he play in the country of his birth?
All of this excluding of course absentees Billings and Denly who would normally be in the squad.
Of the six "overseas" players in the full squad;
- Dickson is of Kentish stock. His mother comes from Beckenham
- Two are the allocated overseas recruit every county makes - Nabi and Milne
- Leaving just two "questionable" Kolpak" signings Kuhn and Viljoen and Stewart an Aussie Italian developed through the 2nds (as indeed was Dickson)
Of course we can also ignore overseas players have been part and parcel of our cricket for decades.
In case you had not noticed it helps put bums on seats and drives the financial well being of the game for every County. For those not favoured with the benefits of Test Arena such mechanisms are helpful in trying to redress the financial imbalance while improving the overall standard of the game for everybody.
BTW how is Morkel doing these days?
Still never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge eh!
Kent have after many years chosen to invest in players to raise the standard of its County side commensurate with the 2nd largest cricket playing population in the country.
And that can only be a healthy approach for the long term health of the professional game in the County.
I just thought we played rather well!
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Pres mate leave it.
They won and comfortably, they get the bragging rights that's how it goes. We would do the same if it was the other way round.
We are missing some key players as are they. We are on terrible form they are in very good form. Let them have it.
I am still gutted about the match at Canterbury a couple years ago when roy and finch put on 250 and then the rain gave a very demoralised kent a way out.1 -
Let it go Canters - you're only as good as your last game!cantersaddick said:Pres mate leave it.
They won and comfortably, they get the bragging rights that's how it goes. We would do the same if it was the other way round.
We are missing some key players as are they. We are on terrible form they are in very good form. Let them have it.
I am still gutted about the match at Canterbury a couple years ago when roy and finch put on 250 and then the rain gave a very demoralised kent a way out.3 -
If you re-read the post, it was far from being 1) Pathetic or 2) To Denigrate. Cowdrey was one of the best batsmen of his era.Grapevine49 said:I am not sure where the pathetic need to denigrate Colin Cowdrey comes from as the man along with Peter May and Tom Graveney was one of the classiest batsmen of his era while being one of finest slip fielders in the game as well as being a Charlton supporter and one time Director.
Anyone who had the pleasure of watching him effortlessly absolutely destroy John Snow in a 60 over Gillette semi-final at Canterbury will know what I mean. It was an exhibition of pure timing as he stroked the ball around to secure boundary after boundary. Snow, England's premier fast bowler at the time, looked like a schoolboy.
Equally I am not sure where someone is getting their information but 8 of the Kent squad last night were born in England and 7 are eligible for England.
Bell- Drummond, Crawley, Blake, Robinson, Milnes, Cox, Qayyam, with Klaassen of Dutch parentage born in Sussex. Does he have to go to the Netherlands to play his cricket or can he play in the country of his birth?
All of this excluding of course absentees Billings and Denly who would normally be in the squad.
Of the six "overseas" players in the full squad;
- Dickson is of Kentish stock. His mother comes from Beckenham
- Two are the allocated overseas recruit every county makes - Nabi and Milne
- Leaving just two "questionable" Kolpak" signings Kuhn and Viljoen and Stewart an Aussie Italian developed through the 2nds (as indeed was Dickson)
Of course we can also ignore overseas players have been part and parcel of our cricket for decades.
In case you had not noticed it helps put bums on seats and drives the financial well being of the game for every County. For those not favoured with the benefits of Test Arena such mechanisms are helpful in trying to redress the financial imbalance while improving the overall standard of the game for everybody.
BTW how is Morkel doing these days?
Still never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge eh!
Kent have after many years chosen to invest in players to raise the standard of its County side commensurate with the 2nd largest cricket playing population in the country.
And that can only be a healthy approach for the long term health of the professional game in the County.
I just thought we played rather well!
It was simply to show to some posters that its not only Surrey that have players that have non English born (but English eligible) players , which seems to be a continuous childish theme on here.
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I still smile when I think about that matchcantersaddick said:Pres mate leave it.
They won and comfortably, they get the bragging rights that's how it goes. We would do the same if it was the other way round.
We are missing some key players as are they. We are on terrible form they are in very good form. Let them have it.
I am still gutted about the match at Canterbury a couple years ago when roy and finch put on 250 and then the rain gave a very demoralised kent a way out.
But then Kent were badly affected by the weather and D/L during a 50 over match at The Oval when Matt Coles made a brilliant century in horrible conditions for batting.
Where was Plunkett last night?0 -
Blimey last night has really riled some of the Surrey lot hasn't it! Pretty sad reaction, especially when you think of the amount of money Surrey have thrown at overseas players over the years!1
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Last season they were "glad all over" this season it's "no one likes us"Addickforlife said:Blimey last night has really riled some of the Surrey lot hasn't it! Pretty sad reaction, especially when you think of the amount of money Surrey have thrown at overseas players over the years!4 -
Back in the sixties the boundaries of Kent were redefined to Bridgetown in the West and Hyderabad in the East.0
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I remember the match you speak of.killerandflash said:
I still smile when I think about that matchcantersaddick said:Pres mate leave it.
They won and comfortably, they get the bragging rights that's how it goes. We would do the same if it was the other way round.
We are missing some key players as are they. We are on terrible form they are in very good form. Let them have it.
I am still gutted about the match at Canterbury a couple years ago when roy and finch put on 250 and then the rain gave a very demoralised kent a way out.
But then Kent were badly affected by the weather and D/L during a 50 over match at The Oval when Matt Coles made a brilliant century in horrible conditions for batting.
Where was Plunkett last night?
Plunkett and dernbach injured.0 - Sponsored links:
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The_President said:
Says Mr Pompous Up his own Arse.Riviera said:
Don't feed the troll.Chizz said:
Neither of those played tonight. Their inclusion might have evened up the sides a bit, but I doubt think it would have changed the result.The_President said:
Colin Cowdrey was born in Madras and Mike Denness was born in Lanarkshire.Todds_right_hook said:The_President said:Then along with Burns,Roy,Curran all with England.
Roy and Curran were born where? It wasn’t Banstead
Your next point is?
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Thanks for posting video Callumcafc. I watched Surrey innings and just before we started to bat I was called away, got back as soon as possible to find we had just won. Now I can see how0
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Ok, I’ve done my research, as you clearly all want to know the truth…
Kent
Bell-D , Born In UK,eligible to play for England
Crawley , Born in UK,eligible to play for England
Kuhn, Born and raised in SA, NOT eligible to play for England
Nabi, Born an Afghan, always an Afghan.NOT eligible to play for England
Robinson, Born in UK, eligible to play for England
Blake, Born in UK,eligible to play for England
Stewart, Born and raised in Oz, eligible via Italian Mother?
Milne, born and raised in NZ, Not eligible for England
Viljoen, born and raised in SA, not eligible for England
Qayyum, born in UK, eligible for England
Klaasen,born in UK, not eligible for England as he has played for Netherlands.
So, I that as 5 eligible for England with 1 (very) tenuous.
Surrey
Finch, Oz (has an English grand parent, but we wont count that, who do you think we are, Jack Charlton?)
Stoneman, born and raised UK
Jacks, born and raised UK
Pope , born and raised UK
Foakes, born and raised UK
Clark, born and raised UK
Clarke,born and raised UK
CurrenT,Born in SA, raised in UK.
Patel, born and raised UK
Batty, born and raised UK
Tahir, SA
I have that as 9 eligible to play for England.
Take that as you wish. Ok, I got it wrong , its 5 instead of 4 !
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BTW, Morkel didn't play , for the same reason Wiaan Mulder didn't for Kent.Grapevine49 said:I am not sure where the pathetic need to denigrate Colin Cowdrey comes from as the man along with Peter May and Tom Graveney was one of the classiest batsmen of his era while being one of finest slip fielders in the game as well as being a Charlton supporter and one time Director.
Anyone who had the pleasure of watching him effortlessly absolutely destroy John Snow in a 60 over Gillette semi-final at Canterbury will know what I mean. It was an exhibition of pure timing as he stroked the ball around to secure boundary after boundary. Snow, England's premier fast bowler at the time, looked like a schoolboy.
Equally I am not sure where someone is getting their information but 8 of the Kent squad last night were born in England and 7 are eligible for England.
Bell- Drummond, Crawley, Blake, Robinson, Milnes, Cox, Qayyam, with Klaassen of Dutch parentage born in Sussex. Does he have to go to the Netherlands to play his cricket or can he play in the country of his birth?
All of this excluding of course absentees Billings and Denly who would normally be in the squad.
Of the six "overseas" players in the full squad;
- Dickson is of Kentish stock. His mother comes from Beckenham
- Two are the allocated overseas recruit every county makes - Nabi and Milne
- Leaving just two "questionable" Kolpak" signings Kuhn and Viljoen and Stewart an Aussie Italian developed through the 2nds (as indeed was Dickson)
Of course we can also ignore overseas players have been part and parcel of our cricket for decades.
In case you had not noticed it helps put bums on seats and drives the financial well being of the game for every County. For those not favoured with the benefits of Test Arena such mechanisms are helpful in trying to redress the financial imbalance while improving the overall standard of the game for everybody.
BTW how is Morkel doing these days?
Still never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge eh!
Kent have after many years chosen to invest in players to raise the standard of its County side commensurate with the 2nd largest cricket playing population in the country.
And that can only be a healthy approach for the long term health of the professional game in the County.
I just thought we played rather well!
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This thread has taught me some people don’t take losing well
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Really don't get the sour grapes and obsession with home grown players. Things go in waves, it wasn't long ago Surrey were buying loads of mercenaries and Kent were fielding a team full of home grown talent.
This year, and it's about time too, Kent have invested some money in some decent overseas players - and what's the issue with that? Would you even be having this conversation if we hadn't hammered you?0 -
@The_President what do you want? A medal?0
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@Addickforlife - that is probably the best constructive, non defensive or patronising post of the last 2 days.Addickforlife said:Really don't get the sour grapes and obsession with home grown players. Things go in waves, it wasn't long ago Surrey were buying loads of mercenaries and Kent were fielding a team full of home grown talent.
This year, and it's about time too, Kent have invested some money in some decent overseas players - and what's the issue with that? Would you even be having this conversation if we hadn't hammered you?
I agree with your comments .
My issue with it, as was my issue when Surrey were doing it too, is that it doesn't truly benefit England - I hated it when the likes of Northants and Glamorgan as examples took the piss re Kolpaks - just don't like it(long) Gone are the days when counties used to play their home grown players. Remember the days when you could only play for Yorkshire if you were born in the county?
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Qué?Callumcafc said:
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https://youtu.be/bI10aquAZC4
