The thread about Boxing

DoctorCharlton said:

@nth london addick I watched an ifl interview with Ben the other day. Apparently this camp for Lowe has been solely about making weight.

He doesn’t have the discipline outside of camp to maintain weight and has spent this whole camp grafting those pounds off. How much of that is true I don’t know, but that’s what Ben said in his interview.

In my opinion its down to Ben to ensure the discipline is in place, a trainers responsibility to the fighter is not just solely about the fight camp its the whole life of the fighter and ensuring that the trainer is not wasting his or her time by allowing the boxer to not have the correct motivation and not putting in the same level of dedication as the trainer

i know when he was fighting out of  Freedom gym in donny , Jimmy Harrington was an absolute stickler on Isaac's behavior between bouts and would never sanction a 6 week camp to shed 2.6 stone and at times we rescheduled or pulled out of fight opportunities due to there not being the required time to get prepared. Jimmy like may trainers house the fighter to make sure that the diets and rules are not just allowed to be ignored 

Issac is a distraction and an inconvenience to Ben i believe and i also know that there are members of the Fury family that although they love him dearly and have known him years before the two started to box and the families are firm friends feel Isaac is a distraction to Tyson and is not good for the team due to him not living the life that a boxer should 

nth london addick said:

DoctorCharlton said:

@nth london addick I watched an ifl interview with Ben the other day. Apparently this camp for Lowe has been solely about making weight.

He doesn’t have the discipline outside of camp to maintain weight and has spent this whole camp grafting those pounds off. How much of that is true I don’t know, but that’s what Ben said in his interview.

In my opinion its down to Ben to ensure the discipline is in place, a trainers responsibility to the fighter is not just solely about the fight camp its the whole life of the fighter and ensuring that the trainer is not wasting his or her time by allowing the boxer to not have the correct motivation and not putting in the same level of dedication as the trainer

i know when he was fighting out of  Freedom gym in donny , Jimmy Harrington was an absolute stickler on Isaac's behavior between bouts and would never sanction a 6 week camp to shed 2.6 stone and at times we rescheduled or pulled out of fight opportunities due to there not being the required time to get prepared. Jimmy like may trainers house the fighter to make sure that the diets and rules are not just allowed to be ignored 

Issac is a distraction and an inconvenience to Ben i believe and i also know that there are members of the Fury family that although they love him dearly and have known him years before the two started to box and the families are firm friends feel Isaac is a distraction to Tyson and is not good for the team due to him not living the life that a boxer should 

And that's shown plenty in his fights, he slows right down late on and that probably cost him the win against Walsh 

I get what Ben Davidson is saying, it can't all be on the trainer, he's clearly of a mind that he will work and achieve things with people who buy into what he's about rather than babysitting professional sportsmen who don't have the wherewithal to stay in shape. 

Problem is Isaac Lowe is a young man who like all young men, wants to live the life his mates are but also to compete professionally in the ring. That mindset will never get him very far in the sport but that's hardly a revelation. 

Tyson Fury had a lightbulb moment at some point and was able to completely buy in to what Ben Davidson is doing or trying to do, until Lowe does the same he will just be a gym mate and someone to keep Fury company in camp

nth london addick said:

Carter said:

nth london addick said:

DoctorCharlton said:

@nth london addick I watched an ifl interview with Ben the other day. Apparently this camp for Lowe has been solely about making weight.

He doesn’t have the discipline outside of camp to maintain weight and has spent this whole camp grafting those pounds off. How much of that is true I don’t know, but that’s what Ben said in his interview.

In my opinion its down to Ben to ensure the discipline is in place, a trainers responsibility to the fighter is not just solely about the fight camp its the whole life of the fighter and ensuring that the trainer is not wasting his or her time by allowing the boxer to not have the correct motivation and not putting in the same level of dedication as the trainer

i know when he was fighting out of  Freedom gym in donny , Jimmy Harrington was an absolute stickler on Isaac's behavior between bouts and would never sanction a 6 week camp to shed 2.6 stone and at times we rescheduled or pulled out of fight opportunities due to there not being the required time to get prepared. Jimmy like may trainers house the fighter to make sure that the diets and rules are not just allowed to be ignored 

Issac is a distraction and an inconvenience to Ben i believe and i also know that there are members of the Fury family that although they love him dearly and have known him years before the two started to box and the families are firm friends feel Isaac is a distraction to Tyson and is not good for the team due to him not living the life that a boxer should 

And that's shown plenty in his fights, he slows right down late on and that probably cost him the win against Walsh 

I get what Ben Davidson is saying, it can't all be on the trainer, he's clearly of a mind that he will work and achieve things with people who buy into what he's about rather than babysitting professional sportsmen who don't have the wherewithal to stay in shape. 

Problem is Isaac Lowe is a young man who like all young men, wants to live the life his mates are but also to compete professionally in the ring. That mindset will never get him very far in the sport but that's hardly a revelation. 

Tyson Fury had a lightbulb moment at some point and was able to completely buy in to what Ben Davidson is doing or trying to do, until Lowe does the same he will just be a gym mate and someone to keep Fury company in camp

thing is mate its not just isaacs mindset slipping, although no where near where Tyson was before but the regime is no longer the same 

You think Tyson should get rid of Ben?

nth london addick said:

DoctorCharlton said:

nth london addick said:

Carter said:

nth london addick said:

DoctorCharlton said:

@nth london addick I watched an ifl interview with Ben the other day. Apparently this camp for Lowe has been solely about making weight.

He doesn’t have the discipline outside of camp to maintain weight and has spent this whole camp grafting those pounds off. How much of that is true I don’t know, but that’s what Ben said in his interview.

In my opinion its down to Ben to ensure the discipline is in place, a trainers responsibility to the fighter is not just solely about the fight camp its the whole life of the fighter and ensuring that the trainer is not wasting his or her time by allowing the boxer to not have the correct motivation and not putting in the same level of dedication as the trainer

i know when he was fighting out of  Freedom gym in donny , Jimmy Harrington was an absolute stickler on Isaac's behavior between bouts and would never sanction a 6 week camp to shed 2.6 stone and at times we rescheduled or pulled out of fight opportunities due to there not being the required time to get prepared. Jimmy like may trainers house the fighter to make sure that the diets and rules are not just allowed to be ignored 

Issac is a distraction and an inconvenience to Ben i believe and i also know that there are members of the Fury family that although they love him dearly and have known him years before the two started to box and the families are firm friends feel Isaac is a distraction to Tyson and is not good for the team due to him not living the life that a boxer should 

And that's shown plenty in his fights, he slows right down late on and that probably cost him the win against Walsh 

I get what Ben Davidson is saying, it can't all be on the trainer, he's clearly of a mind that he will work and achieve things with people who buy into what he's about rather than babysitting professional sportsmen who don't have the wherewithal to stay in shape. 

Problem is Isaac Lowe is a young man who like all young men, wants to live the life his mates are but also to compete professionally in the ring. That mindset will never get him very far in the sport but that's hardly a revelation. 

Tyson Fury had a lightbulb moment at some point and was able to completely buy in to what Ben Davidson is doing or trying to do, until Lowe does the same he will just be a gym mate and someone to keep Fury company in camp

thing is mate its not just isaacs mindset slipping, although no where near where Tyson was before but the regime is no longer the same 

You think Tyson should get rid of Ben?

No i wouldnt think that is a wise move but i think that there needs to be a different voice in the camp that is stricter and more focused on the discipline 


I dont think that videos of Ricky Hatton acting in the way he was earlier are any way near acceptable to be that person when you have someone who is in recovery from alchol and substance miss use and has a very public and open battle with mental illness

the main Tyson team currently is  

Ben
Ricky
Asgar 


this is not strong enough now the move from weight loss and health is moving back to fight dedication ,boxing tactics and game mgmt

Ben and Tyson are too friendly , Ricky is not suitable to be around when like this and struggles himself daily with Mental health i was very concerned when i saw the video and knew that this would roll on into a bigger problem 

Maybe they could get Freddie Roach back? He always said he would be open to working with Fury again.

Ben has definitely had Tyson boxing the best he's ever boxed (Wilder fight).

He was something of a joke back in the day, you know with the clip of him punching himself in a fight. I remember going to the excel to watch BJS vs Chris Eubank jr which was the co-main for Fury-Chisora. After the BJS fight, about 50/60% of the crowd left. He has come a long way since then.

Looking forward to the Royal Albert Hall card next weekend, another big Dubois KO no doubt. I think this will be an entertaining fight. Tetteh will come at him just like that Lartey fella did, these are the type of fights Dubois needs right now.

Special mention for Archie Sharp who's also on the bill, he's a local lad from Welling and someone I know quite well. defending his WBO European against a tough opponent in Declan Geraghty. He's only lost to world title contenders in Tennyson and Jon O'Carroll, so it's a good test for Archie.

nth london addick said:

DoctorCharlton said:

Looking forward to the Royal Albert Hall card next weekend, another big Dubois KO no doubt. I think this will be an entertaining fight. Tetteh will come at him just like that Lartey fella did, these are the type of fights Dubois needs right now.

Special mention for Archie Sharp who's also on the bill, he's a local lad from Welling and someone I know quite well. defending his WBO European against a tough opponent in Declan Geraghty. He's only lost to world title contenders in Tennyson and Jon O'Carroll, so it's a good test for Archie.

Totally agree ref Dubois but i am in the Bruno camp id put him in tomorrow with higher opposition maybe not tyson and AJ level but the boy is ready and able



I think Sharp will divide opinion and this may be unpopular view  but i aint sold on him, i think he has something but i am not as convinced as some, he is easily hit, his footwork for me is poor and his defence very easily negated, 

 If he comes through DG then maybe your right its a good test and a hard opponent has been over come,

but personsally i see DG as on the way down the list and not up it , a tough enough kid tidy enough technique but would have no way had the backing Sharp has had and therefore would not have had the opportunity of a real dedicated camp where he didnt have to work.

i expect Sharp to win quite easily within 8 and really needs to put on a performance to win me over 

Although he is my friend and I may be a little biased I couldn't disagree more to be honest.

His ability to box from distance is one of his strengths and that is attributed to his footwork. But one thing I do agree with you, and I did say this to Archie... he leaves his hands down far too often and against a quality opponent he could find himself in some trouble.

Can't see him putting Geraghty away in 8, he had the opportunity to put McCorry out in his last fight after that body shot but failed to do so. I think he didn't want to risk anything so stuck to his boxing. He did however mention in a boxing social interview that he wants the stoppage against Geraghty, so I guess time will tell. I haven't seen a lot of Geraghty recently, so I'm basing this purely on Archie lol.

I think the best fight for Sharp after this would be Sam Bowen. Perfect stylistic match up, and if he comes out of that hopefully he can start touching the world stage. Jemel Herring has mentioned his name a few times, so the path has hopefully been laid.

Sharp by decision for me.

Sharp 1/8 for the fight this weekend, Geraghty 5/1.

I have to say whilst I know Archie, I do no way think that this fight is as one sided as the bookies have it right now. So, I'm actually inclined to have a bet on Geraghty, purely because of the value. There's definitely no value in Archie at 1/8.

When I first heard it was happening and Nigel was returning I didn’t want to believe it 

I then had it confirmed a month ago it was on and the opponent was Bika 

i was saddened my sadness is now anger and contempt for the sanctioning body the promoter and the venue 

for the armchair fan and there’s millions of them Nigel Benn Vs Bika is nothing more than a novelty act that’s worth tuning in for 

to those who follow boxing as closely as many follow football this is not funny or a novelty 

Bika is a dangerous dangerous man who last fought in 2017 

Nigel Benn last fought in 1996 

take that in for a minute


a 55 yr old man who fought the best there was in his era but who last fought in 1996 getting in the ring with a 44 yr old man who last fought 2 yrs ago and who has fought the best there was in his time also and had a very good record 

had they been around in the same era this would’ve been a fight worth watching 

boxers need protection they need it more from themselves than anything else 

I am fuming I am disgusted and I won’t watch any of it not the hype the press conferences nothing 

it should be boycotted it should never have been allowed 

I think I've already said it but Sakio Bika is a tough, rangy brute of a man who whilst not possessing a famous one punch KO highlight reel he won't give a seconds thought to going easy on a man in his mid 50s and given that sanctioning bodies seem to dance to their own beat that changes by the second I'm not surprised they have seen pound signs in their eyes and sanctioned this circus. 

Carter said:

I think I've already said it but Sakio Bika is a tough, rangy brute of a man who whilst not possessing a famous one punch KO highlight reel he won't give a seconds thought to going easy on a man in his mid 50s and given that sanctioning bodies seem to dance to their own beat that changes by the second I'm not surprised they have seen pound signs in their eyes and sanctioned this circus. 

Carts your bang on Bika is an animal he fights like a cornered wounded animal it’s not pretty it’s not cultured but it’s effective brutal and controlled, 

if benn had an itch that needed scratching I know him and Steve Colin’s seriously considered a fight and although I honestly wouldn’t have watched the circus act I could accept it as a novelty 

but this is not good it’s not acceptable and it’s got a real high % chance that Nigel will get hurt and badly hurt 

Stefco said:

nth london addick said:

When I first heard it was happening and Nigel was returning I didn’t want to believe it 

I then had it confirmed a month ago it was on and the opponent was Bika 

i was saddened my sadness is now anger and contempt for the sanctioning body the promoter and the venue 

for the armchair fan and there’s millions of them Nigel Benn Vs Bika is nothing more than a novelty act that’s worth tuning in for 

to those who follow boxing as closely as many follow football this is not funny or a novelty 

Bika is a dangerous dangerous man who last fought in 2017 

Nigel Benn last fought in 1996 

take that in for a minute


a 55 yr old man who fought the best there was in his era but who last fought in 1996 getting in the ring with a 44 yr old man who last fought 2 yrs ago and who has fought the best there was in his time also and had a very good record 

had they been around in the same era this would’ve been a fight worth watching 

boxers need protection they need it more from themselves than anything else 

I am fuming I am disgusted and I won’t watch any of it not the hype the press conferences nothing 

it should be boycotted it should never have been allowed 

Bika is 40.

Makes it worse when you think about it.

Makes it a lot worse it means Bika could probably still fight now 

Anyone who actually wants to watch this should have a serious word with themself 

Very good finish from Denzil Bentley very raw vey much a prospect who needs to finesse his skills but I like what I see there

Don’t see where Nicola Adams career is going this is poor and has been from rd 1 she could get stopped tonight everything wrong imo