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  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,460
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    One thing that worried me recently was Southall saying we would be worth £240 million in the prem and that is an excellent return on what they have paid. So they just want to get us promoted and sell us. 
    Bastards. They only want to get us to The Prem in 5 years. I'm outraged.
    What I did not like was the fact they are talking about offloading us before they have done ANYTHING! Obviously I would be delighted if they got us promoted and would not mind if they sold us. 

    Just sounds a bit sh1t or bust at the moment. 


  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,196
    Rothko said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    Nah, I took it we wanted a cleaner run into the Barnsley game, and have a week/10days to prepare, while they have to go to Portsmouth in the cup on Saturday
    That's certainly plausible, and I hope you are right. Against that would be the opportunity to give game time on 29 Jan to the new recruits that we surely plan to sign, before we take on Barnsley. Or alternatively, didn't we also have the opportunity to postpone it to later in the season? That was what most people assumed would happen, when the 25th first became unavailable.

    I'd certainly appreciate some insight into this from the club. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,035
    Rothko said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    Nah, I took it we wanted a cleaner run into the Barnsley game, and have a week/10days to prepare, while they have to go to Portsmouth in the cup on Saturday
    I can only assume we did it because Barnsley are playing their rearranged game this midweek (tonight) rather than next week as well. The majority of the games are being played next Tuesday (7 games)
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,090
    edited January 2020
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    It's an off the scale conspiracy theory to think that 1 week's earlier income of perhaps £50K will make any difference. Unless you think we are absolutely skint less than 3 weeks after EFL approval.

    I'm with Rothko, it can only be to give us 10 days before Barnsley.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,322
    I thought we might be going to Abu Dhabi for some warm weather training but doesn't look like it now based on TN's comments about going in May.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,589
    Far too early to judge.

    From Nimer's Instagram cock teasing to Southall's PR freight train you could be forgiven for thinking they're all image no substance, but after the lack of Belgian coms maybe we're just not used to it.

    With only a couple of weeks in charge and what I'm guessing is their first jump into football ownership - during the window that plenty of bigger more established clubs have complained about (Arsene always hated it at arsenal) and given our position and form - I imagine it's not easy sorting deals for the sort of players we want.

    Given their time in charge they shouldn't be criticised harshly just yet but nor should they be defended because "not Roland" they've made promises in regards to Bowyer and signings so they do have to deliver really, but, context ...

    A mini 4 week review after the window has closed, and a proper performance evaluation end of season.


  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,016
    edited January 2020
    Too early to judge, ESI are still working with the foundations of sand left behind by RD. I think we will stay up (just!) this season, and LB will sign a contract, we will get a couple of decent loans in to help stave off going down. But if we dont do anything significant regarding squad building by July/August for 20/21, then Ill start to worry. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,790
    If you think we will stay up (just!), would that not require any worry at all?
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,016
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    If you think we will stay up (just!), would that not require any worry at all?
    Oh ill be worried if we have to win our last game to stay up or something similar. Im not expecting it to come to that but I dont think we will make a charge to mid-table either.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,090
    edited January 2020
    robroy said:
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    One thing that worried me recently was Southall saying we would be worth £240 million in the prem and that is an excellent return on what they have paid. So they just want to get us promoted and sell us. 
    Bastards. They only want to get us to The Prem in 5 years. I'm outraged.
    What I did not like was the fact they are talking about offloading us before they have done ANYTHING! Obviously I would be delighted if they got us promoted and would not mind if they sold us. 

    Just sounds a bit sh1t or bust at the moment. 


    As Henry Irving has always said it's essential to have a plan.
    The plan is to get to The Prem in 5 years and then either look to sell at a profit or carry on.
    Seems like an excellent plan to me.
    Let's hope they can achieve it.

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,322
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    One thing that worried me recently was Southall saying we would be worth £240 million in the prem and that is an excellent return on what they have paid. So they just want to get us promoted and sell us. 
    Bastards. They only want to get us to The Prem in 5 years. I'm outraged.
    What I did not like was the fact they are talking about offloading us before they have done ANYTHING! Obviously I would be delighted if they got us promoted and would not mind if they sold us. 

    Just sounds a bit sh1t or bust at the moment. 


    As Henry Irving has always said it's essential to have a plan.
    The plan is to get to The Prem in 5 years and then either look to sell at a profit or carry on.
    Seems like an excellent plan to me.
    Let's hope can do it.
    Personally, I think that they Tahnoon, Southall, Amis, want to be around for more than five years.

    Five years is when they hope they can realise some value from their investment.

    My guess is that they spend £100m (wild guess) on the club, ground, training ground, academy and buildings and players over five years at which point they can sell a percentage of the club to some rich people in the Middle East but retain their roles as CEO and Owner.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,697
    Rothko said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    Nah, I took it we wanted a cleaner run into the Barnsley game, and have a week/10days to prepare, while they have to go to Portsmouth in the cup on Saturday

    and maybe a week away somewhere warm, Middle East somewhere maybe?
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,196
    Covered End said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    It's an off the scale conspiracy theory to think that 1 week's earlier income of perhaps £50K will make any difference. Unless you think we are absolutely skint less than 3 weeks after EFL approval.

    I'm with Rothko, it can only be to give us 10 days before Barnsley.
    Just to repeat the final sentence in my original question, which you may have missed....

    But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,697
    PragueAddick said:
    Rothko said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    Nah, I took it we wanted a cleaner run into the Barnsley game, and have a week/10days to prepare, while they have to go to Portsmouth in the cup on Saturday
    That's certainly plausible, and I hope you are right. Against that would be the opportunity to give game time on 29 Jan to the new recruits that we surely plan to sign, before we take on Barnsley. Or alternatively, didn't we also have the opportunity to postpone it to later in the season? That was what most people assumed would happen, when the 25th first became unavailable.

    I'd certainly appreciate some insight into this from the club. 
    I'd have doubted that. The EFL like them played as soon as possible these days and all the other games have been re-arranged for midweek next week so I think we would have had to have played it then anyway.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,083
    Rothko said:
    PragueAddick said:
    I'm still unwilling to judge at this stage, because I do believe the management deal is close, and I am sure that we don't know the half of what is going on, on the player recruitment side.

    However, if we have brought no-one in for tomorrow's game, that will increase my neurosis level, that's for sure. In that respect I've got one question for those ITK at ground level. Does anybody know with any authority why we brought forward the game to tomorrow night? Right now, I cannot see a single advantage in playing terms to playing it tomorrow rather than next week. The only other rational reason I can think of for bringing it forward has very uncomfortable implications, reminding me of boatloads of rubber (you gotta be over 50 to know what I'm talking about there). But I am pretty sure there has to be a better explanation, anybody know?
    Nah, I took it we wanted a cleaner run into the Barnsley game, and have a week/10days to prepare, while they have to go to Portsmouth in the cup on Saturday
    I'm sure that's correct
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    cafctom said:
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    carly burn said:
    Al Ain


    Talksport tonight compared Eddie Howe to Curbs time with us for longevity and success. Thoughts.......Nah not having that. 
    Indeed - what Eddie Howe has achieved with Bournemouth is far more astounding. 
    I’m not so sure - Howe has wasted a shit load of money on players. 
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,161
    THREE

    WEEKS

    LATER
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,423
    ricky_otto said:
    cafctom said:
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    carly burn said:
    Al Ain


    Talksport tonight compared Eddie Howe to Curbs time with us for longevity and success. Thoughts.......Nah not having that. 
    Indeed - what Eddie Howe has achieved with Bournemouth is far more astounding. 
    I’m not so sure - Howe has wasted a shit load of money on players. 
    Like Solanke for 19 million
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,035
    Henry Irving said:
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    Covered End said:
    robroy said:
    One thing that worried me recently was Southall saying we would be worth £240 million in the prem and that is an excellent return on what they have paid. So they just want to get us promoted and sell us. 
    Bastards. They only want to get us to The Prem in 5 years. I'm outraged.
    What I did not like was the fact they are talking about offloading us before they have done ANYTHING! Obviously I would be delighted if they got us promoted and would not mind if they sold us. 

    Just sounds a bit sh1t or bust at the moment. 


    As Henry Irving has always said it's essential to have a plan.
    The plan is to get to The Prem in 5 years and then either look to sell at a profit or carry on.
    Seems like an excellent plan to me.
    Let's hope can do it.
    Personally, I think that they Tahnoon, Southall, Amis, want to be around for more than five years.

    Five years is when they hope they can realise some value from their investment.

    My guess is that they spend £100m (wild guess) on the club, ground, training ground, academy and buildings and players over five years at which point they can sell a percentage of the club to some rich people in the Middle East but retain their roles as CEO and Owner.
    £100m wouldn't be anywhere near enough, when you consider how much money the average Championship club loses a year, especially if they start becoming more ambitious with the signings and wages to get promotion...
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    shine166 said:
    robroy said:
    One thing that worried me recently was Southall saying we would be worth £240 million in the prem and that is an excellent return on what they have paid. So they just want to get us promoted and sell us. 
    That's fine with me ! 
    And me

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  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,016
    killerandflash said:
    £100m wouldn't be anywhere near enough, when you consider how much money the average Championship club loses a year,
    Yep, you could probably times that by 5!
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    edited January 2020
    PR and just PR is spin,there is a fine line between the two.

    No need for us to know how much wedge the "owners" have as Roland had the money but wasn't going to spend it.However only a week ago we were "fecking rich" now we don't appear to be anywhere near minted. 

    We needed to know who owns the Valley etc it's our HOME,the fact we were not is at best a mistake and at worst its deliberately misleading. They would have to admit they are renting the Valley off Roland ! 



  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,196
    Well there is the meet on Friday now, which is an encouraging sign, and doubtless if we lose tomorrow someone will ask the question. There are of course many more important questions which will be asked...
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited January 2020
    PragueAddick said:
    Well there is the meet on Friday now, which is an encouraging sign, and doubtless if we lose tomorrow someone will ask the question. There are of course many more important questions which will be asked...
    Also if MS couldn't fit in contract talks with LB in January (his number 1 priority) because he would be busy working on transfers, how has he since freed up time for tea and biscutes with a few fans?

    Yes my comment is sarcastic but it's a valid point. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,033
    Cafc43v3r said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Well there is the meet on Friday now, which is an encouraging sign, and doubtless if we lose tomorrow someone will ask the question. There are of course many more important questions which will be asked...
    Also if MS couldn't fit in contract talks with LB in January (his number 1 priority) because he would be busy working on transfers, how has he since freed up time for tea and biscutes with a few fans?

    Yes my comment is sarcastic but it's a valid point. 
    I'm guessing thats Gallen's job as DoF seeing he's talking with Bowyer's backroom staff about wages
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    ricky_otto said:
    cafctom said:
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    carly burn said:
    Al Ain


    Talksport tonight compared Eddie Howe to Curbs time with us for longevity and success. Thoughts.......Nah not having that. 
    Indeed - what Eddie Howe has achieved with Bournemouth is far more astounding. 
    I’m not so sure - Howe has wasted a shit load of money on players. 
    And people easily forget he was given millions to get to the PL in the first place.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Well there is the meet on Friday now, which is an encouraging sign, and doubtless if we lose tomorrow someone will ask the question. There are of course many more important questions which will be asked...
    Also if MS couldn't fit in contract talks with LB in January (his number 1 priority) because he would be busy working on transfers, how has he since freed up time for tea and biscutes with a few fans?

    Yes my comment is sarcastic but it's a valid point. 
    I'm guessing thats Gallen's job as DoF seeing he's talking with Bowyer's backroom staff about wages
    He said it
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,400
    Henry Irving said:
    I thought we might be going to Abu Dhabi for some warm weather training but doesn't look like it now based on TN's comments about going in May.
    'We'? Is there something you haven't told us?
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    Ok not ITK but I think the issue that MS has said supporters might not like in Feb is they actually have no real money. They are contracted to purchase the main assets in 6 months and are looking for investors. Roland is getting rent and if ESI pull out he gets a payment for breaking the agreement.

    The above might be bollox but if we are still feeding from Poundland in the transfer market i guess we will know in the legendary two weeks.At the beginning of Feb.
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,035
    Goonerhater said:
    Ok not ITK but I think the issue that MS has said supporters might not like in Feb is they actually have no real money. They are contracted to purchase the main assets in 6 months and are looking for investors. Roland is getting rent and if ESI pull out he gets a payment for breaking the agreement.

    The above might be bollox but if we are still feeding from Poundland in the transfer market i guess we will know in the legendary two weeks.At the beginning of Feb.
    Not sure the EFL would approve a purchase on this basis though.

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