Not disputing any of that, I agree. But I still think it is a cop out to use as your own personal justification.FishCostaFortune said:I am not saying Bowyer is right 100% of the time, no football manager is, but what he and football managers have over most fans is:cafcfan1990 said:I think that's an easy cop out though. I like Bowyer but it doesn't mean he gets things right 100% of the time. Justifying his selection just because Bowyer picks him is IMO ridicilous. As is saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past. Anyway, we have had injuries so Hemed was gifted an opportunity. A half decent game against Forest aside, he's been shocking.ForeverAddickted said:Yes I know your question was to CBB but I didnt agree with your response either... for me the justitication from Bowyer comes from seeing him in training - If Bowyer surely thinks he isnt good enough to be starting surely there would be changes to the formation, after all we've played the lone Striker before this seasoncafcfan1990 said:What? My question was to CharltonByBlood. Although yes Hemed is helped by the fact that 3 senior players who have played up front are currently out injured.ForeverAddickted said:So Bowyer is picking him simply because Green, Bonne, Aneke arent fit and based on zero evidence seen in training?cafcfan1990 said:Yes he has, but that is in the past. Pele scored over 500 career goals, and although I would have him on the bench over Hemed, I would still put Bonne, Green and Taylor above him.CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:How can we see he is decent? What evidence do you have that he is?CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
He shouldn't be a scapegoat from Saturday, it's not as if he was the only player who was awful. But we signed him months ago and he has played ok on 1 or 2 occasions and still hasn't scored.
1: They usually played the game at a competitive level so have a better understanding of the requirements.
2: The coaches around them, that they have access to, have also usually played the game at a competitive level.
3: The manager has access to a plethora of stats, not only about our team, but also the opposition.
4: A manager gets to see players day in day out.
5: Managers tend to be a bit more level headed about things then your general football fan who lets 'passion' blind them.
With all this in mind I think a football manager tends to come to a more informed decision then your average fan.
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CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
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cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.0 -
ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.1 -
ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
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FishCostaFortune said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
With Hemed for me its also about how many chances has he wasted and can only think of one which was when Taylor put him through on Tuesday (reckon he'd have scored but for the block and was then off balance when the ball came back to him)...
When we signed him I felt he was a proper poacher, the sort who'll find space in the penalty area and snap up loose balls, quite simply those chances havent come, partly because when the ball does go into the area it tends to be a high cross from the full backs1 -
cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.0 -
ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
He shouldn't be a scapegoat from Saturday, it's not as if he was the only player who was awful. But we signed him months ago and he has played ok on 1 or 2 occasions and still hasn't scored.
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cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
He shouldn't be a scapegoat from Saturday, it's not as if he was the only player who was awful. But we signed him months ago and he has played ok on 1 or 2 occasions and still hasn't scored.
If he had been playing constantly for weeks then Id agree with you completely but he's started three games, two of those (Birmingham / Blackburn) have been shocking performances all around0 -
ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
He shouldn't be a scapegoat from Saturday, it's not as if he was the only player who was awful. But we signed him months ago and he has played ok on 1 or 2 occasions and still hasn't scored.
If he had been playing constantly for weeks then Id agree with you completely but he's started three games, two of those (Birmingham / Blackburn) have been shocking performances all around
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Not going to lie... I was ready to write him off myself - Wanted to see him play alongside Taylor as thought they'd compliment each other and that was confirmed on Tuesday night
I hope to god the conditions are more favourable this weekend (not just for the Football) as think if we can get the ball down and play we'll cause greater damage to Luton... At the same time I fully expect Green to be back starting1 - Sponsored links:
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I'm not writing him off just yet and will continue to support him when he is on the pitch. That being said, I cannot really see a justifiable reason for his selection at the minute. With Bonne back I don't expect to see him too often between now and the summer.
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cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
Hemed may have scored a few but that is in the past. That is not justification to start him now.
He shouldn't be a scapegoat from Saturday, it's not as if he was the only player who was awful. But we signed him months ago and he has played ok on 1 or 2 occasions and still hasn't scored.
1: They usually played the game at a competitive level so have a better understanding of the requirements.
2: The coaches around them, that they have access to, have also usually played the game at a competitive level.
3: The manager has access to a plethora of stats, not only about our team, but also the opposition.
4: A manager gets to see players day in day out.
5: Managers tend to be a bit more level headed about things then your general football fan who lets 'passion' blind them.
With all this in mind I think a football manager tends to come to a more informed decision then your average fan.1 -
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ForeverAddickted said:FishCostaFortune said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
With Hemed for me its also about how many chances has he wasted and can only think of one which was when Taylor put him through on Tuesday (reckon he'd have scored but for the block and was then off balance when the ball came back to him)...
When we signed him I felt he was a proper poacher, the sort who'll find space in the penalty area and snap up loose balls, quite simply those chances havent come, partly because when the ball does go into the area it tends to be a high cross from the full backs
Yes if you pass the ball on the deck or on the chest to Hemed he can sometimes control it nicely, but is that enough?0 -
killerandflash said:ForeverAddickted said:FishCostaFortune said:ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:cafcfan1990 said:CharltonByBlood said:ricky_otto said:I think I’d rather have Josh Davison ahead of Hemed. Maybe Hemed will come good, but we aren’t in a position to give him time. I’d like to see Taylor and Bonne start and Hemed and Davison on the bench. One thing is for sure, lose Taylor and Bonne to injury and we will be relegated.You are joking?Anyone who can not see Hemed is decent and we clearly don't play to his strengths I do wonder what game they are watching.Davison over Hemed? JesusSo Hemed never scored goals in this league for QPR and Brighton?Some of the service he has received has been utter dross. We do not play to his strengths it's as simple as that.Anyone that calls him lazy, overweight etc I'm sorry but what are they watching.
I agree on the overweight and lazy thing, but that doesn't mean he's good enough. Davison isn't overweight, nor did he lack effort, so that only puts them on a par.
Either way, Hemed hasn't scored and hasn't looked good in the slightest.
Saying he isn't fat and has scored goals in the past is not evidence as to why we should be picking him now.
With Hemed for me its also about how many chances has he wasted and can only think of one which was when Taylor put him through on Tuesday (reckon he'd have scored but for the block and was then off balance when the ball came back to him)...
When we signed him I felt he was a proper poacher, the sort who'll find space in the penalty area and snap up loose balls, quite simply those chances havent come, partly because when the ball does go into the area it tends to be a high cross from the full backs
Yes if you pass the ball on the deck or on the chest to Hemed he can sometimes control it nicely, but is that enough?0 -
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Getting in shape just in time to find himself another club.4
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He's been in shape for months.
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I'd liken him to Josh Parker in terms of workrate, which I appreciate. I just don't get why we busted a nut to sign him and Kayal.1
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Dazzler21 said:I'd liken him to Josh Parker in terms of workrate, which I appreciate. I just don't get why we busted a nut to sign him and Kayal.4
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He's off judging from his instagram messageFrom the first moment I arrived to this club I realized how spacial and big it is.I want to thank everyone, the people in the club, my teammates, coaching & medical staff, you’re all amazing people and so professional and of course to the fans that showing thier unconditional support every week.Unfortunately this season was really tough in general and personally too but I tried to give everything I can till the last moment to help the team.Thank you CAFC for this year and I wish the club to be back where it deserve to be, at the highest level of football. #thanks #cafc ❤️⚪️🔴🙌🏻10
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killerandflash said:He's off judging from his instagram messageFrom the first moment I arrived to this club I realized how spacial and big it is.I want to thank everyone, the people in the club, my teammates, coaching & medical staff, you’re all amazing people and so professional and of course to the fans that showing thier unconditional support every week.Unfortunately this season was really tough in general and personally too but I tried to give everything I can till the last moment to help the team.Thank you CAFC for this year and I wish the club to be back where it deserve to be, at the highest level of football. #thanks #cafc ❤️⚪️🔴🙌🏻2
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Decent player, wasn't fit until after lockdown where he showed flashes but then seemed to lose all his confidence in front of goal. A shame, because he could have been a great signing
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