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Bowyer the new Powell?
SELR_addicks
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Seems like a lot of complaints about 'game management' from the Powell era is rearing its head again with Bowyer.
Is it just a Charlton thing where we sit back after going 1-0 and conceding. Or is it a management problem?
Is it just a Charlton thing where we sit back after going 1-0 and conceding. Or is it a management problem?
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We didnt sit back though did we?
Bonne had a carbon copy effort and McGeady hit the post14 -
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As much as I love Bowyer and still 100% back him, this has happened time and time again this season. December ring a few bells for anyone?1
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I think managers are tempted to do it to see the game out. That’s just natural.How many times have we tried and failed to do this season though?0
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Flat 4-4-2, get it wide, get crosses in. Yes, it's been that way for awhile.0
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Contrary to popular belief on here, it happens around the country with every team. Players are not robots, it’s human nature to try to protect what you have.
Unfortunately it feels worse because we have one of the worst squads in the division.21 -
That’s a load of rubbish. Whether you want to dig Bowyer out or not, let’s not pretend we didn’t make defensive substitutions and hang on for 1-0ForeverAddickted said:We didnt sit back though did we?
Bonne had a carbon copy effort and McGeady hit the post1 -
Dropped too many points this season, let alone during the 9 cup finals Due to sitting back and trying to soak up pressure!To be 4 minutes away from a vital win, and go back allowing so much play in your own third is criminal0
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Also most of the teams we play have better players than us and actually force us back as opposed to us choosing to sit back.cafcfan1990 said:I think managers are tempted to do it to see the game out. That’s just natural.How many times have we tried and failed to do this season though?
That's not why we didn't win tonight. 2 players on the line didn't show enough desire to stop that going in.1 -
Yeah sorry for throwing a few facts in there... What was I thinking of!!cafcfan1990 said:
That’s a load of rubbish. Whether you want to dig Bowyer out or not, let’s not pretend we didn’t make defensive substitutions and hang on for 1-0ForeverAddickted said:We didnt sit back though did we?
Bonne had a carbon copy effort and McGeady hit the post0 -
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Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.6
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Defensive subs, dropped points, down we go. Few more facts there for you.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah sorry for throwing a few facts in there... What was I thinking of!!cafcfan1990 said:
That’s a load of rubbish. Whether you want to dig Bowyer out or not, let’s not pretend we didn’t make defensive substitutions and hang on for 1-0ForeverAddickted said:We didnt sit back though did we?
Bonne had a carbon copy effort and McGeady hit the post0 -
If it were only this game I might believe you.Bedsaddick said:Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.
Constantly this season we've dropped points right at the end of games after defensive substitutions.2 -
Happens far far far too much for it to be coincidence or bad luck.
Its demoralising for the players as well as the fans.
Watched the build up to the Burnley game earlier and they were talking about how small Burnley’s squad is but how little subs Dyche makes. He just has excellent game management, proven time and time again.1 -
Is that a fact, seems you dont have a clue what it meanscafcfan1990 said:
Defensive subs, dropped points, down we go. Few more facts there for you.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah sorry for throwing a few facts in there... What was I thinking of!!cafcfan1990 said:
That’s a load of rubbish. Whether you want to dig Bowyer out or not, let’s not pretend we didn’t make defensive substitutions and hang on for 1-0ForeverAddickted said:We didnt sit back though did we?
Bonne had a carbon copy effort and McGeady hit the post0 -
There was a team in blue also on the pitch.
Sometimes the other team attacks and forces us to defend.14 -
We’re absolute fracking dog turd at hanging on, everybody knows this and yet it’s the go-to tactic....
I’m starting to have fond memories of the patented Karel Fraeye 6-left backs and spread out season....0 -
Naaaah their job is to get out the way whenever we need them toHenry Irving said:There was a team in blue also on the pitch.
Sometimes the other team attacks and forces us to defend.0 -
But it just happens to us all the time. All well and good giving the other team credit, but half the time it’s just a soft goal.Henry Irving said:There was a team in blue also on the pitch.
Sometimes the other team attacks and forces us to defend.0 -
We were close to survival, you can’t blame bowyer for putting on sarr for mcgeady. Ultimately it was the wrong call.
shame we didn’t have anyone with lace to bring on and leave up top out wide instead0 -
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Yes, he is the new Powell. He's a legend.
Was going to say more but I can't be bothered.13 -
Wasn't that before the changes?Bedsaddick said:Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.2 -
YesTalal said:
Wasn't that before the changes?Bedsaddick said:Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.0 -
Which proves the point. We were still creating chances until the subs.ValleyGary said:
YesTalal said:
Wasn't that before the changes?Bedsaddick said:Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.0 -
Birmingham are really, really mediocre. They've conceded three at home in their last however many games. It's really hard not to look at that first half and all but 10-15 minutes of the second half as an awful display. They got two balls into the box in the final 15 minutes and one Crawley controlled brilliantly and found space between three players. And the other was allowed to roll across, get flicked on, and we were slow to react to both.2
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Former players as managers don't last long at a club like Charlton.2
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Curbs did okValley27000 said:Former players as managers don't last long at a club like Charlton.4 -
I’m agreeing with you. I do understand the making subs when players are tired but Bowyer seems to be in a cycle of making them cos he can. This ‘back to the walls’ has been the downfall before and it’s happened again. It’s so difficult for players to come on and pick up the pace and their defensive duties straight away. Especially making multiple subs. Also disrupts the organisation of players already out there. I just don’t agree with it.cafcfan1990 said:
Which proves the point. We were still creating chances until the subs.ValleyGary said:
YesTalal said:
Wasn't that before the changes?Bedsaddick said:Sit back??? We hit the post and had a goal saved on the line.2 -
Curbishley. I do t need to type anything elseValley27000 said:Former players as managers don't last long at a club like Charlton.1 -
Bowyer is a novice. He has lost his best player. He has done wonders for us. He will make mistakes. Football is a game of very fine margins and we all know we start most games in deficit ability wise.
He uses the experience he has gained having spent most of his life in football to make decisions that he thinks are the right ones. He spends a hell of a lot of time with the squad and knows lots more about them then us - their physical and mental abilities in particular.
He has my support and yes, still my trust. It’s a fan’s prerogative to criticise and blame. And also to try and keep a sense of perspective and realism.8
