Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham

SantaClaus said:

killerandflash said:

Redrobo said:

Addickted said:

It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

IF true, surely this independent panel will throw the book at them. 

I suppose it maybe a way out possibility that they have not announced the penalty so that they play all games trying to win them and not just give up.

I won’t hold my breath.

At the back of my mind I had been wondering/hoping that the punishment would be automatic relegation (sort of like the punishment Swindon got years ago) but that they didn't want it to be announced with games to play in case Wednesday gave up completely

Do you think that could be kept a secret?

Not telling Karl Robinson is a start.

SantaClaus said:

killerandflash said:

Redrobo said:

Addickted said:

It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

IF true, surely this independent panel will throw the book at them. 

I suppose it maybe a way out possibility that they have not announced the penalty so that they play all games trying to win them and not just give up.

I won’t hold my breath.

At the back of my mind I had been wondering/hoping that the punishment would be automatic relegation (sort of like the punishment Swindon got years ago) but that they didn't want it to be announced with games to play in case Wednesday gave up completely

Do you think that could be kept a secret?

I name that tune in one 'Listen.............do you promise not to tell' by The Beatles or Billy J Kramer + The Dakotas 😉.

It is a possibility, I suppose, that if the league relegated Wednesday before the end of the season, they may just give up in games and compromise the season of others. They have Fulham and Boro to play and whilst the outcomes are unlikely, one can still go up automatically and the other can still get relegated.

HardyAddick said:

Addickted said:

It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

Also, you have to wonder if a Hong Kong registered company (was it a new company with no other assets/income?) is good for the money.

It was. Set up just for the Hillsborough purchase.

Redrobo said:

By the way, who is suggesting this?

An ITK poster on OwlsTalk. @PragueOwl or similar 

Addickted said:

HardyAddick said:

Addickted said:

It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

Also, you have to wonder if a Hong Kong registered company (was it a new company with no other assets/income?) is good for the money.

It was. Set up just for the Hillsborough purchase.

Redrobo said:

By the way, who is suggesting this?

An ITK poster on OwlsTalk. @PragueOwl or similar 

Ah, that came from their local paper -  which is fair to say they do not hold in high regard. I tried to find any other mention of this and could not find anything to collaborate the story.

stoneroses19 said:

CH4RLTON said:

It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.

These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 

But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?

stoneroses19 said:

Our mention in that article sounds rather positive "But Charlton have been scrapping for survival too, picking up eight points in seven games, conceding just five goals". 

Personally, I’d have preferred it if they hadn’t put that little reminder in the article that Wigan are not necessarily safe and a 12 point deduction could still be applied for this season and not delayed until next season

stoneroses19 said:

Redrobo said:

stoneroses19 said:

CH4RLTON said:

It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.

These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 

But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?

Well that’s easy, they haven’t made a final decision yet. 

That’d would be more unlikely than a leak.

stoneroses19 said:

CH4RLTON said:

It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.

These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 

Just like our transfer embargo was leaked in Jan? 

It seems fairly plausible that the EFL will do fuck all... Its all a conspiracy. 

Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 

Cafc43v3r said:

Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 

Or fans of every club know that the efl are incompetent 

Cafc43v3r said:

Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 

They're right. Because of dodgy dealings, the EFL will relegate 14 clubs this season.

Sage said:

The EFL will wait for the season to finish, then announce that Wednesday will receive X points deduction that puts them just outside the bottom 3. They will then have a further Y points deduction suspended or applied at the start of next season. 

There is no chance they’ll punish them properly now, it’s too late, it’s ridiculous. 

I thought this, but they gave Birmingham 9 points & they assisted in the enquiry. Even a 9 point deduction might not be enough with then losing today. And they can't give them less than 9 surely. 

I'm just assuming that they are waiting until after all the games have been played & then either relegating them completely or giving them an enough of a points deduction that will relegate them anyway.....which would also get the EFL out of trouble with Wigan if it means Wigan  staying up.