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Charlton v Wigan | Sat 18 July, 2020 | Post-match thread

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,381
    soapboxsam said:
    Gillis said:
    Sillybilly said:
    I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit. 
    It certainly doesn't: Vardy only scored 4 goals in his debut season in the Championship after moving from non-league. ;)



    Well said Gillis,
    One of Vardy's first games for Leicester was at the valley and we beat them from memory 2-1 with Yann scoring twice.
    Vardy missed 3 chances yet I thought he was a good prospect as he was so fast.
    Jamie would have been 24 years old.

    Personally think Bowyer slagged him off too much before and praised him OTT today But he took that added time goal with aplomb and at 200k looks a fucking bargain to me. Losing Taylor as his mentor for most of this season has cost us big time as I feel Macaulay would be on 20 goals, playing alongside Taylor for a whole season. 20 goals scored and 20 missed probably.
    That how it works with decent strikers.

    It was a Naki Wells miss at QPR after the shocking pass back set him up with even more time that Bonne had today which always look shocking. 

    I have spent  time on here and at games defending him. I said after a league cup game I thought both him and Field would do well for us if they got Minutes.

    Sam Field like Williams finds it hard to play more than 45 minutes, which is a shame as he is needed with Pratley out.


    I think Bowyer on reflection probably regrets previously slagging him off in public, hence the slightly exaggerated praise today
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,206
    killerandflash said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Gillis said:
    Sillybilly said:
    I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit. 
    It certainly doesn't: Vardy only scored 4 goals in his debut season in the Championship after moving from non-league. ;)



    Well said Gillis,
    One of Vardy's first games for Leicester was at the valley and we beat them from memory 2-1 with Yann scoring twice.
    Vardy missed 3 chances yet I thought he was a good prospect as he was so fast.
    Jamie would have been 24 years old.

    Personally think Bowyer slagged him off too much before and praised him OTT today But he took that added time goal with aplomb and at 200k looks a fucking bargain to me. Losing Taylor as his mentor for most of this season has cost us big time as I feel Macaulay would be on 20 goals, playing alongside Taylor for a whole season. 20 goals scored and 20 missed probably.
    That how it works with decent strikers.

    It was a Naki Wells miss at QPR after the shocking pass back set him up with even more time that Bonne had today which always look shocking. 

    I have spent  time on here and at games defending him. I said after a league cup game I thought both him and Field would do well for us if they got Minutes.

    Sam Field like Williams finds it hard to play more than 45 minutes, which is a shame as he is needed with Pratley out.


    I think Bowyer on reflection probably regrets previously slagging him off in public, hence the slightly exaggerated praise today
    I don’t think he regrets it ... and Bonne’s interview today seems to indicate it was justified and it prompted him to react accordingly ... exactly what Lee was trying to achieve ... he knows his players. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3

    Reading a few posts on that Wigan forum while having a cuppa:

    "If we do end up going down it’ll be because of our performance today and at Barnsley, we seemed to stop going forward and dropped too deep."

    Now where have we heard this before? :smile:


  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Putting £20 on us to beat Leeds, can't see us losing or drawing tbh. Will be the perfect end to a very entertaining and mental season 
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,737
    edited July 2020
    Oggy Red said:
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3

    Reading a few posts on that Wigan forum while having a cuppa:

    "If we do end up going down it’ll be because of our performance today and at Barnsley, we seemed to stop going forward and dropped too deep."

    Now where have we heard this before? :smile:


    and
    "Fitting really, that the goal which effectively relegates us is in the 93rd minute. How many fucking points this season have we pissed away in stoppage time?"

    can't believe we're not Champs in last minute debacles though  :'(
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,381
    Oggy Red said:
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3

    Reading a few posts on that Wigan forum while having a cuppa:

    "If we do end up going down it’ll be because of our performance today and at Barnsley, we seemed to stop going forward and dropped too deep."

    Now where have we heard this before? :smile:


    Yes, I was disappointed with Wigan today. They went very defensive in the second half, considering they had an extra day's rest to us
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    killerandflash said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Gillis said:
    Sillybilly said:
    I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit. 
    It certainly doesn't: Vardy only scored 4 goals in his debut season in the Championship after moving from non-league. ;)



    Well said Gillis,
    One of Vardy's first games for Leicester was at the valley and we beat them from memory 2-1 with Yann scoring twice.
    Vardy missed 3 chances yet I thought he was a good prospect as he was so fast.
    Jamie would have been 24 years old.

    Personally think Bowyer slagged him off too much before and praised him OTT today But he took that added time goal with aplomb and at 200k looks a fucking bargain to me. Losing Taylor as his mentor for most of this season has cost us big time as I feel Macaulay would be on 20 goals, playing alongside Taylor for a whole season. 20 goals scored and 20 missed probably.
    That how it works with decent strikers.

    It was a Naki Wells miss at QPR after the shocking pass back set him up with even more time that Bonne had today which always look shocking. 

    I have spent  time on here and at games defending him. I said after a league cup game I thought both him and Field would do well for us if they got Minutes.

    Sam Field like Williams finds it hard to play more than 45 minutes, which is a shame as he is needed with Pratley out.


    I think Bowyer on reflection probably regrets previously slagging him off in public, hence the slightly exaggerated praise today
    Today Bowyer made the point that Bonne put his body on the line and got into the spaces where he was instructed to be.

    Bowyer calls a player out for not playing to instructions - and lavish with his praise when the player does.

    As Bowyer himself says, "My job is to push players on".




  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,029
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    Oggy Red said:
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3

    Reading a few posts on that Wigan forum while having a cuppa:

    "If we do end up going down it’ll be because of our performance today and at Barnsley, we seemed to stop going forward and dropped too deep."

    Now where have we heard this before? :smile:


    and
    "Fitting really, that the goal which effectively relegates us is in the 93rd minute. How many fucking points this season have we pissed away in stoppage time?"
    can't believe we're not Champs in last minute debacles though  :'(
    Yeah I did some research a few weeks ago

    They've conceded just as many as us in the 90th minute 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    Anyone reckon this relegation battle might go to the wire? :smile:

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,029
    Oggy Red said:
    Anyone reckon this relegation battle might go to the wire? :smile:

    Nah... We're safe :) 

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  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    edited July 2020
    The lads fought like tigers today, every one of them, their efforts certainly made up for lack of skill.Doughty will be a really good player although I'd like to see him playing further up.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,381
    ForeverAddickted said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    Oggy Red said:
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3

    Reading a few posts on that Wigan forum while having a cuppa:

    "If we do end up going down it’ll be because of our performance today and at Barnsley, we seemed to stop going forward and dropped too deep."

    Now where have we heard this before? :smile:


    and
    "Fitting really, that the goal which effectively relegates us is in the 93rd minute. How many fucking points this season have we pissed away in stoppage time?"
    can't believe we're not Champs in last minute debacles though  :'(
    Yeah I did some research a few weeks ago

    They've conceded just as many as us in the 90th minute 
    They had a terrible run of doing that at the start of the season, then sorted it out (until today), whereas we've spread the heartache evenly across the season!
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,132
    90 minutes: pas Bonne
    E-T: très Bonne!
    Good lad
    Pissed

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,343
    I think that's us done to be honest. Obviously hope I'm wrong. 
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,729
    although our strikers are not great, we really do not create loads of chances and we don’t really have an attacking midfielder who’s not a wide player.

    just need to be more positive going forward and play an advanced midfield player, box to box Gallagher style.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,381
    If Field and JFC are unavailable for Leeds, it'll be interesting who Bowyer plays there
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    happyvalley said:
    The lads fought like tigers today, every one of them, their efforts certainly made up for lack of skill.
    Hull City fought like Tigers today - but they still lost.  


  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,326
    Not a good day to be at work, have been on tenterhooks all through my shift and probably not professional to shout out ‘get in there you fucking beauty’ down the landing at Bonne’s equaliser but hey ho. Would have preferred a win obviously but somehow feeling pretty tranquil about Wednesday now. We’re not going down. No way, no how.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 96,029
    killerandflash said:
    If Field and JFC are unavailable for Leeds, it'll be interesting who Bowyer plays there
    You'd hope Cullen and Pearce are okay too after getting knocks

    May well have been another stroke of genius to rest McGeady and Williams today
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    killerandflash said:
    If Field and JFC are unavailable for Leeds, it'll be interesting who Bowyer plays there
    Morgan and McGeady, I would think. Williams to come on later.

    No Pratts either.



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  • RedJohn
    RedJohn Posts: 598
    MattF said:
    Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested 
    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3
    Surprised that there is no mention of a possible 12 point deduction for Sheff Wed.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 34,260
    edited July 2020
    The Red Robin said:
    Have to win on Wednesday. No guarantee Blackburn and Cardiff win or that the EFL doesn't reduce Wigan's points deduction.
    They wont reduce their points deductions. It's in their rules - Enter administration & you get docked 12 points.

    The only reason Wigan dont get a 12xpoint deduction is if the EFL do a complete U turn, go back on not only what their rules say, and the statement they put out at the start of July AND then also going back on what they said about an appeal not working. 

    The EFL may be stupid but they aren't that stupid. If for some reason they do change their minds there will be a massive court case from whomever goes down in their place. 

    The only reason the table doesn't show Wigan on 46 points is because the deduction only comes into effect after 46 games have been played.

    Expect at 10pm on Wednesday they will have had 12 (TWELVE) Points deducted.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,343
    Hartleypete said:
    although our strikers are not great, we really do not create loads of chances and we don’t really have an attacking midfielder who’s not a wide player.

    just need to be more positive going forward and play an advanced midfield player, box to box Gallagher style.
    Williams and Morgan.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,989
    ForeverAddickted said:
    killerandflash said:
    If Field and JFC are unavailable for Leeds, it'll be interesting who Bowyer plays there
    You'd hope Cullen and Pearce are okay too after getting knocks

    May well have been another stroke of genius to rest McGeady and Williams today
    McGeady and Williams played most of the Brum game a few days ago ...... so no surprise they were rested today, under Bowyer's rotation system.

    Hey, with all the recent crop of injuries and 2-games a week fatigue, we might still see Lewis Page yet - could be the last man standing.


  • Stewart
    Stewart Posts: 2,465
    On a plus point, we can’t now finish bottom of the league. 
  • LouisMend
    LouisMend Posts: 5,484


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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 21,066
    golfaddick said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Have to win on Wednesday. No guarantee Blackburn and Cardiff win or that the EFL doesn't reduce Wigan's points deduction.
    They wont reduce their points deductions. It's in their rules - Enter administration & you get docked 12 points.

    The only reason Wigan dont get a 12xpoint deduction is if the EFL do a complete U turn, go back on not only what their rules say, and the statement they put out at the start of July AND then also going back on what they said about an appeal not working. 

    The EFL may be stupid but they aren't that stupid. If for some reason they do change their minds there will be a massive court case from whomever goes down in their place. 

    The only reason the table doesn't show Wigan on 46 points is because the deduction only comes into effect after 46 games have been played.

    Expect at 10pm on Wednesday they will have had 12 (TWELVE) Points deducted.

    Spot on Golfie - it will be confirmed as soon as the final whistles blow on Wednesday.

    The 12 point deduction for administration is set in stone. It is one of the few clear rules of the EFL, who by the way are a member organisation , and it's the members who set the rules - that includes Wigan!

    If the EFL deduct the 12 points, Wigan have no legal recourse to seek to overturn it. If they didn't deduct the 12 points then the team that went down in their stead would have a prima facie case to challenge it - and win.
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Certainly seems like playing our own crowd noise through the speakers was an advantage 
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,636
    sinceiwasyoung said:
    We deserved to win this    . Fair play to Bonne, always works hard , great finish . Wednesday is going to be tough  , but there is a chance with the spirit in this team .
    Hopefully there will be a few spirits in the Leeds team

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