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  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    SantaClaus said:
    killerandflash said:
    Redrobo said:
    Addickted said:
    It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

    Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

    That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

    Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

    Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

    IF true, surely this independent panel will throw the book at them. 

    I suppose it maybe a way out possibility that they have not announced the penalty so that they play all games trying to win them and not just give up.

    I won’t hold my breath.
    At the back of my mind I had been wondering/hoping that the punishment would be automatic relegation (sort of like the punishment Swindon got years ago) but that they didn't want it to be announced with games to play in case Wednesday gave up completely

    Do you think that could be kept a secret?
    They will announce it after the last game and have an open top bus parade to celebrate it.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 11,677
    SantaClaus said:
    killerandflash said:
    Redrobo said:
    Addickted said:
    It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

    Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

    That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

    Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

    Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

    IF true, surely this independent panel will throw the book at them. 

    I suppose it maybe a way out possibility that they have not announced the penalty so that they play all games trying to win them and not just give up.

    I won’t hold my breath.
    At the back of my mind I had been wondering/hoping that the punishment would be automatic relegation (sort of like the punishment Swindon got years ago) but that they didn't want it to be announced with games to play in case Wednesday gave up completely

    Do you think that could be kept a secret?
    Not telling Karl Robinson is a start.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    Our mention in that article sounds rather positive "But Charlton have been scrapping for survival too, picking up eight points in seven games, conceding just five goals". 
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited July 2020
    SantaClaus said:
    killerandflash said:
    Redrobo said:
    Addickted said:
    It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

    Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

    That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

    Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

    Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

    IF true, surely this independent panel will throw the book at them. 

    I suppose it maybe a way out possibility that they have not announced the penalty so that they play all games trying to win them and not just give up.

    I won’t hold my breath.
    At the back of my mind I had been wondering/hoping that the punishment would be automatic relegation (sort of like the punishment Swindon got years ago) but that they didn't want it to be announced with games to play in case Wednesday gave up completely

    Do you think that could be kept a secret?
    I name that tune in one 'Listen.............do you promise not to tell' by The Beatles or Billy J Kramer + The Dakotas 😉.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,004
    stoneroses19 said:
    Our mention in that article sounds rather positive "But Charlton have been scrapping for survival too, picking up eight points in seven games, conceding just five goals". 
    Agreed. Good to see positives. 
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    Daughter's Wednesday season ticket holder bf, saying he doesn't care anymore. He feels so embarrassed by the club's financial mis-management that if they go down so be it. 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    Daughter's Wednesday season ticket holder bf, saying he doesn't care anymore. He feels so embarrassed by the club's financial mis-management that if they go down so be it. 
    It's a shame that doesn't read "EFL, saying it doesn't care anymore. They feel so embarrassed by its own mis-management that if they have to send Wednesday down so be it".
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2020
    It is a possibility, I suppose, that if the league relegated Wednesday before the end of the season, they may just give up in games and compromise the season of others. They have Fulham and Boro to play and whilst the outcomes are unlikely, one can still go up automatically and the other can still get relegated.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,256
    stoneroses19 said:
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    Daughter's Wednesday season ticket holder bf, saying he doesn't care anymore. He feels so embarrassed by the club's financial mis-management that if they go down so be it. 
    It's a shame that doesn't read "EFL, saying it doesn't care anymore. They feel so embarrassed by its own mis-management that if they have to send Wednesday down, they'll make it a suspended sentence in keeping with their general stance on rule breaking'.
    Fixed it for you:)
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    HardyAddick said:
    Addickted said:
    It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

    Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

    That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

    Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

    Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

    Also, you have to wonder if a Hong Kong registered company (was it a new company with no other assets/income?) is good for the money.
    It was. Set up just for the Hillsborough purchase.

    Redrobo said:
    By the way, who is suggesting this?

    An ITK poster on OwlsTalk. @PragueOwl or similar  B)

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  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Addickted said:
    HardyAddick said:
    Addickted said:
    It's being suggested now that Chansiri hasn't actually paid a penny for Hillsborough.

    Although Sheffield Wednesday have sold the property to Chansiri's company, allegedly registered in Hong Kong and owned by his wife, no money has actually changed hands. Sheffield Wednesday have in their accounts a debt of £60m owing from this other company. 

    That debt is repayable in seven instalments of £7.5m over an eight-year period, but none has actually been made yet. Wednesday have changed their tax year dates and the 2017/18 returns have to be into HMRC by the end of this month - a 14 month period.

    Be interested to see if the first £7.5m payment for the ground has been made yet.

    Still not certain how a sale can be allowed for in one seasons accounts before the actual sale and the payments future spread over 8 years.

    Also, you have to wonder if a Hong Kong registered company (was it a new company with no other assets/income?) is good for the money.
    It was. Set up just for the Hillsborough purchase.

    Redrobo said:
    By the way, who is suggesting this?

    An ITK poster on OwlsTalk. @PragueOwl or similar  B)

    Ah, that came from their local paper -  which is fair to say they do not hold in high regard. I tried to find any other mention of this and could not find anything to collaborate the story.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    edited July 2020
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,653
    edited July 2020
    Redrobo said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?
    They've avoiding the decision until they know how the league table pans out? You can't leak a decision that hasn't been made.



  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,621
    stoneroses19 said:
    Our mention in that article sounds rather positive "But Charlton have been scrapping for survival too, picking up eight points in seven games, conceding just five goals". 

    Personally, I’d have preferred it if they hadn’t put that little reminder in the article that Wigan are not necessarily safe and a 12 point deduction could still be applied for this season and not delayed until next season
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    Redrobo said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?
    Well that’s easy, they haven’t made a final decision yet. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    stoneroses19 said:
    Redrobo said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?
    Well that’s easy, they haven’t made a final decision yet. 
    That’d would be more unlikely than a leak.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    Redrobo said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Redrobo said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    But the three day hearing ended yonks ago and we have not heard a peep. How do you explain that?
    Well that’s easy, they haven’t made a final decision yet. 
    That’d would be more unlikely than a leak.
    Not if they have no intention of relegating Wednesday, and so need to know how many points is a decent deduction without placing them in bottom 3.
  • RolandsOut
    RolandsOut Posts: 81
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    Just like our transfer embargo was leaked in Jan?  ;)
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  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    Maybe the sheff Wednesday deduction will be at the end of the season, so their remaining games remain competitive. Consider those who didn't renew their contacts and the club released players. Its seems fairly plausible. 
  • peterreeves
    peterreeves Posts: 1,062
    It seems fairly plausible that the EFL will do fuck all... Its all a conspiracy. 
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    RolandsOut said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    CH4RLTON said:
    It would make sense as others say for the integrity of the league that If it a punishment of relegation to announce it when the season is over.
    These days everything gets leaked, there’s no way it would still be a secret if Wednesday already knew they were being relegated. Even if they hadn’t been told, someone at EFL would have leaked it by now. 
    Just like our transfer embargo was leaked in Jan?  ;)
    Has anyone asked Karl Robinson?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

    They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

    Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    If nothing else, if we can't avoid finishing in the bottom 3, at least finish 3rd bottom, in case Wednesday get a significant penalty. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

    They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

    Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 
    Or fans of every club know that the efl are incompetent 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

    They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

    Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 
    Or fans of every club know that the efl are incompetent 
    Or they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't? 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Having worked in Leeds for about 15 years I have a lot of Leeds fans on my social media. 

    They are genuinely not counting their chickens because they are convinced the EFL will find a way to screw them out of getting promoted. 

    Funny how fans of every club thinks the EFL are out to get them. 
    They're right. Because of dodgy dealings, the EFL will relegate 14 clubs this season.


  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    The EFL will wait for the season to finish, then announce that Wednesday will receive X points deduction that puts them just outside the bottom 3. They will then have a further Y points deduction suspended or applied at the start of next season. 

    There is no chance they’ll punish them properly now, it’s too late, it’s ridiculous. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Sage said:
    The EFL will wait for the season to finish, then announce that Wednesday will receive X points deduction that puts them just outside the bottom 3. They will then have a further Y points deduction suspended or applied at the start of next season. 

    There is no chance they’ll punish them properly now, it’s too late, it’s ridiculous. 
    I thought this, but they gave Birmingham 9 points & they assisted in the enquiry. Even a 9 point deduction might not be enough with then losing today. And they can't give them less than 9 surely. 

    I'm just assuming that they are waiting until after all the games have been played & then either relegating them completely or giving them an enough of a points deduction that will relegate them anyway.....which would also get the EFL out of trouble with Wigan if it means Wigan  staying up. 

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