Where are the goals coming from?

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16

Cafc43v3r said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him

193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.

So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the info

Dazzler21 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him

193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.

So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the info

Exactly, and nothing suggests that these two can't be as good as the good ones, or as bad as Ajose.  Probably the truth is they will be somewhere inbetween. 

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1

Bogle for example has scored
8 goals in the Championship
5 in L1
19 in L2
78 in National/National North

Washington's record is
13 in the Championship
3 in the Scottish Premiership
27 in L1
4 in L2
1 in National
54 in a very low league (level 9)

For BWP
2 in Premier League
26 in Championship
13 in L1 (in 17 games)
i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker

Cafc43v3r said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him

193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.

Ajose is a mystery, as it seems he's had one decent season in his whole career!

killerandflash said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1

Bogle for example has scored
8 goals in the Championship
5 in L1
19 in L2
78 in National/National North

Washington's record is
13 in the Championship
3 in the Scottish Premiership
27 in L1
4 in L2
1 in National
54 in a very low league (level 9)

For BWP
2 in Premier League
26 in Championship
13 in L1 (in 17 games)
i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker

And Lyle Taylor hadn't scored 50 league (lots of his were in the isthmian league) goals, at 28, when we signed him.  His history showed no indication that he was going to be a top championship striker in 18 months time, which he was.

The point I am trying to make, obviously badly, is that thier numbers suggest they are as equally likely to be as successful as Mendonca, Taylor, BWP or equally as unsuccessful as Ajose.  And a lot of people are saying they won't score the goals we need.  The reason they haven't scored league 1 level goals recently is the same as BWPs. 

The reason people were excited by signing Taylor, Mendonca and BWP was they had recently seen them play against us and they stood out.  I don't ever remember us playing against Bogle or Washington even if we have. 

Addick Addict said:

Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.

We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total

A Charlton win and under 2.5 is about 6/1 that would be a good bet every week. 

carly burn said:

Bogle.

He is going to score a sh*t load this season. Mark my words!

I think potentially, he looked in his 20 mins or whatever the other day like he is going to frustrate or be confident enough to score for fun

Redrobo said:

golfaddick said:

Addickted said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I have done a bit of fag packed maths.  We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season.  These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.

Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17

Intresting. 

Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16

I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.

Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.

Unless you are Liverpool. Brought in Keegan then Dalglish then Rush & then Aldridge. Then from their youth team happened to stumble upon Fowler & then Owen. From the 70's to the 2000's they weren't without a top goal scorer & (without looking at records) probably didn't pay much for Keegan, Rush or Aldridge. Some teams seem to be able to unearth strikers. We don't.

Addick Addict said:

Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.

We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total

It's like printing money predicting an LB win ;-)