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Blackpool v Charlton | 20/10/2020 | Post Match Thread
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Covered End said:
Surely by todays laws Bogle is not offside unless he unsighted the goalie, or he actually nudged the ball in.Lincsaddick said:https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/league-one/12109834/blackpool-0-1-charlton
the disallowed goal WAS offside
and Purrington was unlucky to get a second yellow
Bogle looked to be a threat, at least from looking at the brief highlights
Doughty put in a very clever and very brave header for the goal
All in all a good performance, no, goals conceded and three more points
He wasn't in front of the goalie, so the lino must be saying he nudged it in.
There is no way to tell from the view on Skysports.
We'll never know unless someone releases some footage from a better angle, but my gut tells me he touched it in. Something about his reaction just seems a bit sheepish, like he realises a second too late what he's done. He then tries to jog off nonchalantly like he did nothing. Then when the whistle goes he turns around trying to look shocked, but he looks to me like he was expecting it to happen.
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killerandflash said:
That's half a really good L1 team. The back 4 and Rudd were all Championship quality. Unfortunately the rest of the ream...jamesking93 said:
Our team that day was:Cafc43v3r said:
Was it Swindon where Jackson played with the above in front of a back 5 🙄🙄ElliotCAFC said:
The word ‘static’ in the dictionary has a picture of the Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley double pivot.Cafc43v3r said:
The problem isn't, as you rightly pointed out, good or bad players. It's static players. I don't mean ones that don't run, I mean ones that stay in rigid positions.killerandflash said:
It's a bit like with recent Southgate England teams that have had 2 defensive midfielders, it's not that the likes of Rice, Henderson, Winks and Phillips are bad players, it's more the decision to play 2 of them against teams like Denmark which is being questionedMuttleyCAFC said:Watson was very tidy. I think the danger is to be wrongly critical of Watson and Pratley, when the issue is not with them at all, but the perceived need for a more attacking midfielder in the side.
I imagine myself as a half decent League One defender (we can all dream!) and I think, I wouldn't fancy playing against Aneke at all. I wouldn't mind playing against say Washington in the same way.
If you have 2 center halves, 2 center forwards and 2 defensive midfielders you have 6 outfield players who stay in the same shape for 90 minutes. You have to have very good full backs and very fit "other" midfielders to make it work. Also 3 of those 4 have to be "on it" else it's turgid, boring and you won't score goals.
When we played well last season we had Taylor, Leko, Gallagher and Williams providing that. The season before we were probably at our best with Williams, Aribo, Taylor and Igor in the team but it just wasn't often enough.
That's one of the reasons Bowyer likes players like Smyth and Leko.Dark times.
Rudd
Solly
Fox
Bauer
Pearce
Foley
Crofts
Ulvestad
Jackson
Ajose
Novak
A bit unlucky as we were missing Holmes, Lookman and Magennis (international callups didn't help) but removing Slade was one Roland managerial chop which was the correct decision as Robbo did improve things a bitFoley, Crofts and Ulvested *shudder*I hope we all have a think about that before we ever complain about Watson, Pratley, JFC again.3 -
God that team is really shitjamesking93 said:
Our team that day was:Cafc43v3r said:
Was it Swindon where Jackson played with the above in front of a back 5 🙄🙄ElliotCAFC said:
The word ‘static’ in the dictionary has a picture of the Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley double pivot.Cafc43v3r said:
The problem isn't, as you rightly pointed out, good or bad players. It's static players. I don't mean ones that don't run, I mean ones that stay in rigid positions.killerandflash said:
It's a bit like with recent Southgate England teams that have had 2 defensive midfielders, it's not that the likes of Rice, Henderson, Winks and Phillips are bad players, it's more the decision to play 2 of them against teams like Denmark which is being questionedMuttleyCAFC said:Watson was very tidy. I think the danger is to be wrongly critical of Watson and Pratley, when the issue is not with them at all, but the perceived need for a more attacking midfielder in the side.
I imagine myself as a half decent League One defender (we can all dream!) and I think, I wouldn't fancy playing against Aneke at all. I wouldn't mind playing against say Washington in the same way.
If you have 2 center halves, 2 center forwards and 2 defensive midfielders you have 6 outfield players who stay in the same shape for 90 minutes. You have to have very good full backs and very fit "other" midfielders to make it work. Also 3 of those 4 have to be "on it" else it's turgid, boring and you won't score goals.
When we played well last season we had Taylor, Leko, Gallagher and Williams providing that. The season before we were probably at our best with Williams, Aribo, Taylor and Igor in the team but it just wasn't often enough.
That's one of the reasons Bowyer likes players like Smyth and Leko.Dark times.
Rudd
Solly
Fox
Bauer
Pearce
Foley
Crofts
Ulvestad
Jackson
Ajose
Novak0 -
Ulvestad is another one of the those players that I'd completely forgotten existed.
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Looking at that team, dark days indeed. Still, at least we were patient...jamesking93 said:
Our team that day was:Cafc43v3r said:
Was it Swindon where Jackson played with the above in front of a back 5 🙄🙄ElliotCAFC said:
The word ‘static’ in the dictionary has a picture of the Andrew Crofts and Kevin Foley double pivot.Cafc43v3r said:
The problem isn't, as you rightly pointed out, good or bad players. It's static players. I don't mean ones that don't run, I mean ones that stay in rigid positions.killerandflash said:
It's a bit like with recent Southgate England teams that have had 2 defensive midfielders, it's not that the likes of Rice, Henderson, Winks and Phillips are bad players, it's more the decision to play 2 of them against teams like Denmark which is being questionedMuttleyCAFC said:Watson was very tidy. I think the danger is to be wrongly critical of Watson and Pratley, when the issue is not with them at all, but the perceived need for a more attacking midfielder in the side.
I imagine myself as a half decent League One defender (we can all dream!) and I think, I wouldn't fancy playing against Aneke at all. I wouldn't mind playing against say Washington in the same way.
If you have 2 center halves, 2 center forwards and 2 defensive midfielders you have 6 outfield players who stay in the same shape for 90 minutes. You have to have very good full backs and very fit "other" midfielders to make it work. Also 3 of those 4 have to be "on it" else it's turgid, boring and you won't score goals.
When we played well last season we had Taylor, Leko, Gallagher and Williams providing that. The season before we were probably at our best with Williams, Aribo, Taylor and Igor in the team but it just wasn't often enough.
That's one of the reasons Bowyer likes players like Smyth and Leko.Dark times.
Rudd
Solly
Fox
Bauer
Pearce
Foley
Crofts
Ulvestad
Jackson
Ajose
Novak2 -
In fact, Ulvestad has gone on to be a key player for Djurgardens, helping them win the Swedish League last season, and is even a 5-goal-a-season banker nowadays!2
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Have the kids been at the crayons again.Callumcafc said:3 -
What strikes me is that Bogle and Washington both passed the ball only 10 times each, despite being on the pitch for 64 and 76 minutes, Smyth made ONE pass in his 20 minutes, whereas Aneke made 13 passes despite being on for only half an hour.Callumcafc said:
Aneke was a far better link up player, whereas Bogle and Washington were playing more as individuals
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Inniss and Watson by far had the highest number of passes, and both over 80% accuracy.Callumcafc said:3 -
I like this. Amos distribution myth once again being disproven.0
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Some v good stats there for most of the team. Inniss needs to work on his forward passes - not quite in Sarr's league on that, yet.0
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I thought it was always agreed that Amos had really good distribution, it was the one thing between him and DillonDazzler21 said:I like this. Amos distribution myth once again being disproven.4 -
I remember Croft’s and Foley because they seemed to be somehow rooted to the floor like tiny half asleep ents.aliwibble said:Ulvestad is another one of the those players that I'd completely forgotten existed.Less said about Ajose the better. I wouldn’t want to set up a team around him, shame he couldn’t leave before he did.0 -
Sarr isn't in his league at defending yet WeegieWeegie Addick said:Some v good stats there for most of the team. Inniss needs to work on his forward passes - not quite in Sarr's league on that, yet.
He could have a beautiful diagonal pass in him Sarr but I've been so so much more relaxed without him in the defence5 -
I think a few people were questioning it at the start of the season. Admittedly it's quietened down lately.ForeverAddickted said:
I thought it was always agreed that Amos had really good distribution, it was the one thing between him and DillonDazzler21 said:I like this. Amos distribution myth once again being disproven.1 -
I don't think the passing and possession stats mean a whole lot. If you pass around in the back a lot both stats will look good but mean very little, except perhaps that you're having trouble getting the ball into their half.3
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I think the guy had a run of a few games in the middle of the season where he did well. Definitely not one of the key players! Was anonymous most of the time.Leuth said:
He was just about one of our best players that season! Good old Wolf Cityaliwibble said:Ulvestad is another one of the those players that I'd completely forgotten existed.0 -
a win on the weekend and we might just start believing a bit
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To be fair to all those players, who have all carved out decent careers in the game but were fairly anonymous for us, they did arrive at a time when the club was a general shitshow and had been in a tailspin for a few years. I don’t think it’s easy to come in and perform under those probably quite stressful circumstances. Makes it all the more remarkable what Bowyer has achieved at a time when things were at their worst.2
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Some really interesting analysis can be taken from this.Callumcafc said:
If we could take our average position on the heat map and the passes being the same, but 10 yards further forward, we would be far more dangerous and likely score more goals.
Inniss and Famewo were excellent all game, but they need to improve on their diagonal passing and the longer positive passing into the channels. That will come with more game time and getting used to others positions.
Surprised Shinnie didn’t have more passes than he did. But big difference between the direction of where Maatsen’s passes were going and where Purrington’s was. I’m a fan of Purrington and hate the new scapegoat thing, but you can clearly see Maatsen was more forward thinking and had a bit of confidence to play those passes.
Doughty’s accuracy may not have been fantastic, but just look at how many times he tried to play it forward and take risks. That for me is a positive.
Not too much can be taken from this, but what you can I think is interesting and can be used to see where we can improve.6 -
I'd say they're incredibly fair given the opposition.Lincsaddick said:most of the points for Purrington are ridiculous even given he had a poor game .. he's never been popular for some reason but now he looks as though he will be this season's stake out scapegoat .. never let it be said that Addicks fans always stick up for their players, unless they are 'home grown' in which case they can do no wrong
Blackpool were shite and we looked comfortable if a little toothless up until Purrington went and got himself sent off.
His first foul was silly, he proceded to make several other silly decisions and was not direct enough. He rarely played Doughty down the wing and eventually made a very stupid foul to be sent off.
That's not scapegoating. He just had one of those awful games that any player can have.
He's a league 1 left back in league 1, but you'd have hoped he'd come back down to this level a little sharper and smarter after a Championship season.1 -
I started believing as soon as TS took over.mascot88 said:a win on the weekend and we might just start believing a bit2 -
Not often I disagree with you Dazzler, but on some parts of your point I do.Dazzler21 said:
I'd say they're incredibly fair given the opposition.Lincsaddick said:most of the points for Purrington are ridiculous even given he had a poor game .. he's never been popular for some reason but now he looks as though he will be this season's stake out scapegoat .. never let it be said that Addicks fans always stick up for their players, unless they are 'home grown' in which case they can do no wrong
Blackpool were shite and we looked comfortable if a little toothless up until Purrington went and got himself sent off.
His first foul was silly, he proceded to make several other silly decisions and was not direct enough. He rarely played Doughty down the wing and eventually made a very stupid foul to be sent off.
That's not scapegoating. He just had one of those awful games that any player can have.
He's a league 1 left back in league 1, but you'd have hoped he'd come back down to this level a little sharper and smarter after a Championship season.
Purrington has really lost a lot of confidence in his play, he actually hasn’t started more than 4 consecutive league games for an entire year. For a left back, that’s some going. We’ve had 27 league games since January 1st, he’s started 9 of them. Until Crewe on the first day of this season, he hadn’t started a league game since Middlesbrough on 7th March.
My point is, he’s found it difficult to keep his place in the team, and to be honest, that shows Bowyer has made a lot of changes to the defence over the last year. It’s hard to get any kind of consistency, form, or sharpness when it’s being changed so often, or you don’t know if you’re going to be in the team next week. Building that confidence and that consistency in his game has been nearly impossible for a while now. That’s not a dig at Bowyer by the way, it’s stating what’s happened.
Then when we returned from lockdown, Oshilaja, a right footed centre back, played left back - Purrington’s position - because Hull had Wilks and we tried to combat it. Purrington never got back in the team, that must’ve hurt.
Then, I’ve seen on here and all over social media about Purrington never playing for us again, people pleading he doesn’t start for us again. That’s ridiculous. Are we all forgetting how solid and effective he was when we won promotion? He’s had a tough time and the Championship was not his level. He now needs a bit of self belief and maybe to be reminded he is a good player, and he will come good I am sure of that.
Yes, he made some silly mistakes against Blackpool, and yes he was poor overall. But let’s be honest, he was up against their most dangerous player who was cutting in on his stronger side, Purrington’s weaker side, and he is quicker than Purrington is. Once he got the yellow, we should’ve gave him more protection, but we didn’t. We isolated him against someone who Blackpool were always going to try and even things up to get us down to 10 men. He should’ve done better and known not to get so tight, sure, but it’s obvious he was worried about being beaten and sometimes that means you panic and naturally don’t want to give your opponent too much space. He didn’t help himself, but the rest of the team didn’t help him out either.
What should’ve happened when he got booked was Doughty come over to the left and give a bit more protection because Washington was not going to do that. It also would’ve combated the difference in speed on that side because of Doughty’s pace.
He hasn’t been great for us for a while, probably a year now, but let’s take a step back and analyse why that could be and see what he might need again to become that impressive left back who was important to our promotion run in.9 -
Inniss and Famewo were not at fault for too many sideway passes. In order to make more forward passes you need the attacking player to move towards you to be able to receive it.Sage said:
Some really interesting analysis can be taken from this.Callumcafc said:
If we could take our average position on the heat map and the passes being the same, but 10 yards further forward, we would be far more dangerous and likely score more goals.
Inniss and Famewo were excellent all game, but they need to improve on their diagonal passing and the longer positive passing into the channels. That will come with more game time and getting used to others positions.
Surprised Shinnie didn’t have more passes than he did. But big difference between the direction of where Maatsen’s passes were going and where Purrington’s was. I’m a fan of Purrington and hate the new scapegoat thing, but you can clearly see Maatsen was more forward thinking and had a bit of confidence to play those passes.
Doughty’s accuracy may not have been fantastic, but just look at how many times he tried to play it forward and take risks. That for me is a positive.
Not too much can be taken from this, but what you can I think is interesting and can be used to see where we can improve.
Anyone watching Brentford last night would have seen how effective they are at this.
Brentford are a good team to follow as the style of play is what I think Bows would like us to work towards.
Obviously they have a £10m CF and our team cost £75k so we are a bit behind!0 -
I don't disagree with what you're saying, I did expect him to come back more confident and IMO he hasn't done badly barring Tuesday, I'd say he's been pretty steady.
I also agree we should have protected him more, but neither yellow was clever and his game suffered from getting the first so early.
Hopefully we can work with him to get him back up to speed and keep Doughty in front of him.1 -
Inniss in particular made lots of successful sideways passes in his own half, but consistently lost it when he played it forward into the opponents halflimeygent said:I don't think the passing and possession stats mean a whole lot. If you pass around in the back a lot both stats will look good but mean very little, except perhaps that you're having trouble getting the ball into their half.
Watson's pass map is more impressive, as he was all over the pitch when making his successful passes0 -
Yeah, he's a midfielder.killerandflash said:
Inniss in particular made lots of successful sideways passes in his own half, but consistently lost it when he played it forward into the opponents halflimeygent said:I don't think the passing and possession stats mean a whole lot. If you pass around in the back a lot both stats will look good but mean very little, except perhaps that you're having trouble getting the ball into their half.
Watson's pass map is more impressive, as he was all over the pitch when making his successful passes
Watson seems like he might be the true Marmite player this season. What I saw as a fairly ineffective performance where he did a bog-standard job as pivot without ever making any particularly promising play and often getting caught a yard behind the opposition, others are seeing as his glorious ascent to our 'most important player'. I guess we'll need more games to find out0 -
I think we all saw what you saw in the first few games Leuth and his performance on Wednesday wasn't faultless, but what was really promising, for me at least, was that it was comfortably his best performance to date and started showing the player that played 45 games for a side that should have been in the Championship play offs last season. He was quicker, fitter and sharper with his passes.Leuth said:
Yeah, he's a midfielder.killerandflash said:
Inniss in particular made lots of successful sideways passes in his own half, but consistently lost it when he played it forward into the opponents halflimeygent said:I don't think the passing and possession stats mean a whole lot. If you pass around in the back a lot both stats will look good but mean very little, except perhaps that you're having trouble getting the ball into their half.
Watson's pass map is more impressive, as he was all over the pitch when making his successful passes
Watson seems like he might be the true Marmite player this season. What I saw as a fairly ineffective performance where he did a bog-standard job as pivot without ever making any particularly promising play and often getting caught a yard behind the opposition, others are seeing as his glorious ascent to our 'most important player'. I guess we'll need more games to find out2
