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How Likely Are You To Take The Covid Vaccine?
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It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.1
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Think you need to read up on statistics and data analysis.newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.6 -
Ermmmm.......don’t follow that at all?newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.0 -
Once the MHRA have approved the vaccine I'll be happy to have it. I've got to put my faith in someone and I'll trust them to do their job properly.
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I would take no notice of Newyorkaddicks post. The data provided by Pfizer / BioNTech will be peer reviewed and scrutinised. The science is good and the statistical analysis as published will be accurate.4
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Sample size is <100 and they haven't controlled for different behaviours within each cohort (obviously), asymptomatic infection amongst the vaccinated cohort (ie same risk as current situation), how many of the trialists have actually been exposed to the virus (obviously) etc..SoundAsa£ said:
Ermmmm.......don’t follow that at all?newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.
Instead we are being asked to rejoice because 90-95% of the 0.2% of the triallists who presented with Covid symptoms received placebo.3 -
The MHRA have to approve it - if people start disbelieving all scientific evidence on vaccines then I'm not really sure what will convince them?ShootersHillGuru said:I would take no notice of Newyorkaddicks post. The data provided by Pfizer / BioNTech will be peer reviewed and scrutinised. The science is good and the statistical analysis as published will be accurate.0 -
Cor, all those big brains and they missed this.newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.5 -
I really don’t think you understand science or the process involved in a double blind clinical trial. I’m not intending to be derogatory but the basis of your comments are complete nonsense.newyorkaddick said:
Sample size is <100 and they haven't controlled for different behaviours within each cohort (obviously), asymptomatic infection amongst the vaccinated cohort (ie same risk as current situation), how many of the trialists have actually been exposed to the virus (obviously) etc..SoundAsa£ said:
Ermmmm.......don’t follow that at all?newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.
Instead we are being asked to rejoice because 90-95% of the 0.2% of the triallists who presented with Covid symptoms received placebo.8 -
If the testing is of such poor quality as you say presumably the regulatory authorities in each country won't approve it? If they approve a vaccine that's not properly tested what hope is there?newyorkaddick said:
Sample size is <100 and they haven't controlled for different behaviours within each cohort (obviously), asymptomatic infection amongst the vaccinated cohort (ie same risk as current situation), how many of the trialists have actually been exposed to the virus (obviously) etc..SoundAsa£ said:
Ermmmm.......don’t follow that at all?newyorkaddick said:It would help if the two pharma companies involved did not trumpet claims like "95% effective" when the results revealed to date show nothing of the sort.A reasonable person would view that as implying that a vaccinated person would on average have only a 5% chance of being exposed to the virus and getting sick.Instead the very limited data revealed so far shows that 90-95% of those in the trial who got sick from Covid received the placebo. This isn't even close to being the same thing.
Instead we are being asked to rejoice because 90-95% of the 0.2% of the triallists who presented with Covid symptoms received placebo.
Maybe I'm missing something or perhaps the scientific and medical community aren't taking the testing seriously?
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In the county's hour of need some generations were given a rifle and sent off somewhere.
Seems a worrying amount of people won't even take a vaccine with minimal risk today.2 -
Although I’ll be taking it, I’ll respect the choice of the individual.
Most of us get in a car most days knowing that it has a high possibility of
being a killing machine. Even if we drive safely and even if any accident may not be our fault, we still decide to do it, knowing the danger to others.3 -
Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.12
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Utter rubbish. Seasonal flu in the uk has an average death rate (in the last 4 years of data that Public Health England have) or around 12000 per year. Covid19 has killed 4 times that many. From personal experience I have seen Unwell people with both but only with covid19 have I seen someone deteriorate from reasonably stable to near death in under an hour with nothing I do making any difference.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.Please tell me what you have read?I have no problem with people being cautious about taking the vaccine. I have a problem with people reading Ill-informed rubbish online and thinking they are an expert.I have often been concerned with free-speech as it means stupid people have it too.23 -
I voted “Very likely”. I’m still cautious given the speed of development, but I trust the scientists and the medical profession and that it’s based on other successful vaccines rather than being entirely novel. I’ll be reading the scientific evidence carefully to understand the testing, efficacy and potential side effects.Who I don’t trust are politicians, particularly those who have shady vested interests in big pharma and need any vaccine at all to look like they give a monkeys. Because they’re on the bridge have their hand on the wheel that it feels like the ship is the RMS Titanic rather than HMS Ark Royal.1
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Where are you reading such dangerous rubbish. I did think about 'loling' your post, but it is far too serious to be a laughing matter.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.13 -
Sure, nobody should be obliged to take the vaccine if they don't want to. But it's not a choice without consequences on the rest of us. If they catch teh virus, they can spread it to others and if they become seriously ill they will cost the NHS (and therefore us) a significant amount of time and cost. Those who have chosen not to be vaccinated should not be allowed to use public transport or go to pubs or restaurants or sporting events until rates are down to insifgnificant levels.EastTerrace said:Although I’ll be taking it, I’ll respect the choice of the individual.
Most of us get in a car most days knowing that it has a high possibility of
being a killing machine. Even if we drive safely and even if any accident may not be our fault, we still decide to do it, knowing the danger to others.1 -
Have you copy and pasted all of this from a Trump tweet?Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.Genuinely interested in your “based on what I have read”. Can you share your sources where you’re reading from as I haven’t seen anything like the above.2 - Sponsored links:
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Luckily, whilst you're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
So, whilst the rest of us get vaccinated, provided enough people aren't selfish enough to believe that a video they watched on YouTube trumps the millions of hours of research from medical professionals into providing a vaccine for the most dangerous medical threat to mankind to emerge in a century, we'll hopefully manage to get back to some semblance of normality over the next year.
You carry on stocking up on the tinfoil to help you through your existential conspiracy crisis though, yeah?11 -
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Tosh.Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
The Office of National Statistics publish figures of previous years deaths for each month compared to current deaths. The massive ‘extra’ deaths can reasonably be put down to COVID as we also have figures where COVID results in death. How have the flu deaths disappeared?China Virus does not exist anywhere except the malfunctioning brain of Trump. If you are reading stuff written by people with similar views I would question your sources.
The top expert is right of course. A vaccine helps the body fight an infection, but you do have it. What is not known yet is if you can still infect others. We also do not know yet how long the vaccine protects you for. The implications are obvious so yes, masks and social distancing will still be required for quite a while.
As for it all being a master plan to control the people’s of the World, may I suggest a call to your GP?.1 -
So who is it who is controlling the world’s populace? The Illuminati, Bill Gates, Green Lizards?Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
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Pretty much everything in your post I was going to counter has been done very well above. As for seasonal flu “miraculously disappearing”. This is widely viewed to be because the flu virus is less transmissible than Covid-19. The social distancing measures along with wearing face coverings and far better hand hygiene have made it far harder for the flu virus this year.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.Please tell me how you are being controlled. You are being advised more than controlled on most issues regarding Co-19 and those that are mandatory like shops closing for a week or so are what exactly in the agenda of big brother ?3 -
There are other reasons than Major’s for being hesitant to take any of these COVID vaccines.Leroy Ambrose said:
Luckily, whilst you're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
So, whilst the rest of us get vaccinated, provided enough people aren't selfish enough to believe that a video they watched on YouTube trumps the millions of hours of research from medical professionals into providing a vaccine for the most dangerous medical threat to mankind to emerge in a century, we'll hopefully manage to get back to some semblance of normality over the next year.
You carry on stocking up on the tinfoil to help you through your existential conspiracy crisis though, yeah?
None of which have yet been proclaimed safe for use.0 -
They won't be approved for use until they meet safety standards. I'd personally be reticent about being part of a drug trial, but would trust an approved medicine as long as I was appraised of the risks, including the risks of not taking it. Simply put, catching Covid roughly doubles your risk of dying in a particular year. I'm not very likely to die this year so not very likely to die of covid, but I am potentially in contact with people at far greater risk. I will still have the vaccination as I consider that if approved the risk to my health will be miniscule.iainment said:
There are other reasons than Major’s for being hesitant to take any of these COVID vaccines.Leroy Ambrose said:
Luckily, whilst you're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
So, whilst the rest of us get vaccinated, provided enough people aren't selfish enough to believe that a video they watched on YouTube trumps the millions of hours of research from medical professionals into providing a vaccine for the most dangerous medical threat to mankind to emerge in a century, we'll hopefully manage to get back to some semblance of normality over the next year.
You carry on stocking up on the tinfoil to help you through your existential conspiracy crisis though, yeah?
None of which have yet been proclaimed safe for use.1 -
Similarly, no one has suggested they are taken before they are proclaimed safe for use.iainment said:
There are other reasons than Major’s for being hesitant to take any of these COVID vaccines.Leroy Ambrose said:
Luckily, whilst you're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.Major said:Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
So, whilst the rest of us get vaccinated, provided enough people aren't selfish enough to believe that a video they watched on YouTube trumps the millions of hours of research from medical professionals into providing a vaccine for the most dangerous medical threat to mankind to emerge in a century, we'll hopefully manage to get back to some semblance of normality over the next year.
You carry on stocking up on the tinfoil to help you through your existential conspiracy crisis though, yeah?
None of which have yet been proclaimed safe for use.
Unless you're on a trial for one of them, you can't.
Major's post was like a winning line on crank conspiracy bingo. There's one like it on every local social media page.4 -
Well if youre being vaccinated, I can't pass it to you can I?Jints said:
Sure, nobody should be obliged to take the vaccine if they don't want to. But it's not a choice without consequences on the rest of us. If they catch teh virus, they can spread it to others and if they become seriously ill they will cost the NHS (and therefore us) a significant amount of time and cost. Those who have chosen not to be vaccinated should not be allowed to use public transport or go to pubs or restaurants or sporting events until rates are down to insifgnificant levels.EastTerrace said:Although I’ll be taking it, I’ll respect the choice of the individual.
Most of us get in a car most days knowing that it has a high possibility of
being a killing machine. Even if we drive safely and even if any accident may not be our fault, we still decide to do it, knowing the danger to others.
Love the way people are reminded that, this is down to choice... but if you turn it down and a vulnerable person near you dies its all on them... and if you don't get the jab, you should stay in lockdown for the rest of eternity.0 -
If my son has been tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies should he be vaccinated?1
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You can pass it on to other people who have chose not to have a vaccine (and of course the 5-10% for whom the vaccine won't work). That would be fine if people who choose not to be vaccinated were paying the costs of hospitalisation (£400 per day, much more if in ICU) but they're not. I'll choose to take the vaccine as soon as it's available at what I perceive to be a negligible risk to me. If you choose not to, that's fien but why should anyone other that you have to pay for the consequences of your choice?shine166 said:
Well if youre being vaccinated, I can't pass it to you can I?Jints said:
Sure, nobody should be obliged to take the vaccine if they don't want to. But it's not a choice without consequences on the rest of us. If they catch teh virus, they can spread it to others and if they become seriously ill they will cost the NHS (and therefore us) a significant amount of time and cost. Those who have chosen not to be vaccinated should not be allowed to use public transport or go to pubs or restaurants or sporting events until rates are down to insifgnificant levels.EastTerrace said:Although I’ll be taking it, I’ll respect the choice of the individual.
Most of us get in a car most days knowing that it has a high possibility of
being a killing machine. Even if we drive safely and even if any accident may not be our fault, we still decide to do it, knowing the danger to others.
Love the way people are reminded that, this is down to choice... but if you turn it down and a vulnerable person near you dies its all on them... and if you don't get the jab, you should stay in lockdown for the rest of eternity.0
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