How Likely Are You To Take The Covid Vaccine?

Redrobo

I thought each cell was covered with membrane?
Have not really considered where it would come from.

Another vaccine coming on line of a similar type which is even more encouraging. I wonder if it will help stop those vaccinated from passing it on to others?

soapboxsam

TBF to parents of severe autistic children like my neighbour's, they were convinced that 25 years ago that the MMR vaccine had caused the regression in their toddler as he had the injection weeks before, and then they noticed the change in his personality.

It was only a couple of years later that they conceded it was a growth gene that had caused his severe autism and the timing of the MMR vaccine was just coincidental. 
They were told if they had another son the same condition could occur. They had two daughters later, and they were ok.

A few so caused experts can see 2+2=5

Addickted

iainment said:

soapboxsam said:

Why porcine gelatine is used in vaccines

Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.

I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.

Many unknowingly.

Bang goes their 72 Houris

cafcfan

seth plum said:

soapboxsam said:

Why porcine gelatine is used in vaccines

Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.

I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.

I get the usual flu jab each year and it hadn't dawned on me that it may contain animal remains. When I say 'hope' I meant I hope there might be an alternative like there could be for the banknotes.
I would accept the vaccine however, hopefully not as a hypocrite but because of both selfish personal benefit, and because of wider societal benefit.
I would feel regret that there isn't an alternative, but I wouldn't be an anti vaxxer because of the use of animal remains, as it would go towards stabilising things and I am not much of one for conspiracy theories.

How could it not dawn on you when the jabber always asks the jabee: do you have an allergic reaction to eggs and/or egg products?

seth plum

cafcfan said:

seth plum said:

soapboxsam said:

Why porcine gelatine is used in vaccines

Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.

I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.

I get the usual flu jab each year and it hadn't dawned on me that it may contain animal remains. When I say 'hope' I meant I hope there might be an alternative like there could be for the banknotes.
I would accept the vaccine however, hopefully not as a hypocrite but because of both selfish personal benefit, and because of wider societal benefit.
I would feel regret that there isn't an alternative, but I wouldn't be an anti vaxxer because of the use of animal remains, as it would go towards stabilising things and I am not much of one for conspiracy theories.

How could it not dawn on you when the jabber always asks the jabee: do you have an allergic reaction to eggs and/or egg products?

I have never been asked that.
Until this year my jab was always done by the pharmacist at Sainsbury's.

DaveMehmet

cafcdave123 said:

Henry Irving said:

Addickted said:

seth plum said:

I genuinely hope the vaccine is vegan.
Laugh and mock if you want, but nevertheless it is my hope.

Would you genuinely not have the vaccine because of your animal rights beliefs and risk catching the virus and infecting your loved ones?

The pork gelatin will cause issue with the Jewish and Muslim population as well I'd have thought.

No, it's OK if the pig was circumcised.

That’s actually what they use for pork scratchings 

I thought they tasted familiar

Razor1890

Wouldn't be an anti-Vaxer by any stretch but too much of a financial benefit for current governments to rush this out without proper consideration for the long term effects. Sister in law is a research chemist and she has serious concerns about corners being cut.

If I was past child conceiving age prob would be less concerned but what if it comes out a palace fan? 

Swisdom

I want it - without a doubt.

As a diabetic I am in the higher risk category so just want to do it and hopefully reduce the risk.

I really don't subscribe to the theory this vaccine is all about controlling people and all that shit.  The same people deny the existence of covid and that beggars belief.

kigelia

I will be near the top of the list to get this and have no problem taking it.

whilst drug companies are not beyond dodgy practices from time to time. Drug trials are scrutinised massively. I have been involved in a couple through work (not with new drugs but with use of existing meds for new applications) the amount of paperwork to even be allowed to enrol people in the trial was massive and for each pt in involved it was equally onerous. These things are done carefully (understatement).

I am also currently doing a literature review for one specific medical intervention as part of some university work. If a trial is thought to be of low quality it will be picked up and publicised. 

Yes these vaccines are being developed quickly so there will inevitably be a higher risk than with one developed over many more years. That said I am sure the risk of me either catching covid19 and  getting ill or unwittingly transmitting it to someone more vulnerable than me is way way higher. 

ShootersHillGuru

kigelia said:

I will be near the top of the list to get this and have no problem taking it.

whilst drug companies are not beyond dodgy practices from time to time. Drug trials are scrutinised massively. I have been involved in a couple through work (not with new drugs but with use of existing meds for new applications) the amount of paperwork to even be allowed to enrol people in the trial was massive and for each pt in involved it was equally onerous. These things are done carefully (understatement).

I am also currently doing a literature review for one specific medical intervention as part of some university work. If a trial is thought to be of low quality it will be picked up and publicised. 

Yes these vaccines are being developed quickly so there will inevitably be a higher risk than with one developed over many more years. That said I am sure the risk of me either catching covid19 and  getting ill or unwittingly transmitting it to someone more vulnerable than me is way way higher. 

Great post. In addition to this it’s worth remembering that practically any establishment capable of working on a vaccine for Co-19 has been. Never has so much effort and money been poured into looking for a vaccine and that includes HIV.

StigThundercock

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

🤣🤣🤣 Denying the illuminati and spreading the tissue thin myth of the moon landing(s) are beacons of gargantuan gullibility on a par with the whole anti-vaxx, creationist, 'Bill Gates is gonna jab you with a microchip' ballcocks.  Getting vaccinated is a fundamental civic duty.   

Chunes

Stig said:

With the NHS on standby to start Covid vaccinations in December, how likely would you be to take the vaccine if you had the chance? (Please note this poll is anonymous).

What were the options again

bingaddick

100%

I think it is our duty as well as the sensible thing for myself. 

shine166

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

ShootersHillGuru

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

I think (hope) that anyone that wants a vaccination will get one in 2021

Covered End

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

Like you say if you're perfectly healthy and in your 30's, you likely won't get offered a vaccine for 6 months anyway.
You'll also almost certainly not die from Covid, so it's far less of a personal concern.
The thing about waiting though until someone is confident it's ok, seems a bit pointless, because you may need to wait 5/10 years or more to feel certain and by then the decision is possibly somewhat meaningless.

shine166

Covered End said:

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

Like you say if you're perfectly healthy and in your 30's, you likely won't get offered a vaccine for 6 months anyway.
You'll also almost certainly not die from Covid, so it's far less of a personal concern.
The thing about waiting though until someone is confident it's ok, seems a bit pointless, because you may need to wait 5/10 years or more to feel certain and by then the decision is possibly somewhat meaningless.

Ah for sure, my main reason for waiting is until weve stopped having kids. 

Covered End

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

Like you say if you're perfectly healthy and in your 30's, you likely won't get offered a vaccine for 6 months anyway.
You'll also almost certainly not die from Covid, so it's far less of a personal concern.
The thing about waiting though until someone is confident it's ok, seems a bit pointless, because you may need to wait 5/10 years or more to feel certain and by then the decision is possibly somewhat meaningless.

Ah for sure, my main reason for waiting is until weve stopped having kids. 

Seems sensible to me.

Redrobo

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

Like you say if you're perfectly healthy and in your 30's, you likely won't get offered a vaccine for 6 months anyway.
You'll also almost certainly not die from Covid, so it's far less of a personal concern.
The thing about waiting though until someone is confident it's ok, seems a bit pointless, because you may need to wait 5/10 years or more to feel certain and by then the decision is possibly somewhat meaningless.

Ah for sure, my main reason for waiting is until weve stopped having kids. 

The vaccine may help with this 😉

Leroy Ambrose

So, our unscientific poll shows that we are teetering on the edge of being able to get to herd immunity (c.90%) provided enough of the 'highly likely' and 'unconvinced' actually weigh up the pros and cons and get vaccinated.

Excellent. Then we can provide a vaccine passport/proof system similar to that required to enter certain countries, and everyone who signs up can get on with their lives - whilst everyone not wishing to contribute to eradication or elimination of outbreaks of the disease because of their eXtEnSiVe FaCeBoOk ReSuRcH can sit indoors until they drop dead of boredom. 

Result! 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

For a lot of people the vaccine will be a life saver and it might allow them to live a relatively normal life. There will be a minority who won't take it because they think the virus isn't a risk to them and they're not bothered about passing it onto others.

Obviously a longer testing period would be desirable but you have to way that up against the risk of continued delay - it will be a compromise of sorts.

Conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers won't take it whatever info you give them. 

Stig

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

shine166

Redrobo said:

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

shine166 said:

Covered End said:

Yes, no question.
Apart from the under 30's, the only people I know that don't want it are the people that believe in the Illuminati, man didn't land on the moon etc etc, as one might expect.
We'll get more than enough people vaccinated to protect everyone, but I still think it'll be late summer/autumn before we get to some sort of pre covid normality.

Love a vaccinated anti Vaxer, wanting to wait seems sensible, although I doubt healthy people in there 30s will have to say no for a couple years yet due to demand for those with health issues and at risk right now. 

Like you say if you're perfectly healthy and in your 30's, you likely won't get offered a vaccine for 6 months anyway.
You'll also almost certainly not die from Covid, so it's far less of a personal concern.
The thing about waiting though until someone is confident it's ok, seems a bit pointless, because you may need to wait 5/10 years or more to feel certain and by then the decision is possibly somewhat meaningless.

Ah for sure, my main reason for waiting is until weve stopped having kids. 

The vaccine may help with this 😉

😂😂

Leroy Ambrose

Stig said:

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

Actual LOL

iainment

Stig said:

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

That’ll change minds. Do you actually think being abusive will win your point?

stevexreeve

Seems to me that healthy people under 50 / 60 will probably not be getting the vaccine until late next year no matter how hard the government tries.

Going by current figures  (350,000 per week?) , most of that demographic will have already had Covid anyway and probably won't be bothered with the vaccine.

So, for me, the government should concentrate on immunising vulnerable people (that includes ME! ) as quickly as possible and not worry about persuading everyone to have it. 

hoof_it_up_to_benty

iainment said:

Stig said:

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

That’ll change minds. Do you actually think being abusive will win your point?

No but neither will reasoning with some people - what's your solution?

Leroy Ambrose

iainment said:

Stig said:

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

That’ll change minds. Do you actually think being abusive will win your point?

People have been given facts again, and again, and again about vaccines being safe for decades. Setting aside the absolutely disgraceful antics of Wakefield and a complicit media during the MMR fraud, which set science back by decades, a certain percentage of people have always (sometimes for religious reasons, more often because they're just wilfully dense) refused to take vaccines.

This 'attempt to convince people' of which you speak has been going on since vaccines were invented. We don't need to pay it any more credence now than we did forty years ago. The facts are there plain as day for anyone to see - just because some people WANT to believe vaccines are unsafe as a way of reinforcing their own belief in some amorphous big pharma/deep state/lizard overlord conspiracy doesn't mean these people should be given the same airtime as - y'know - *actual* experts, because doing so lends their lunatic theories an air of legitimacy that they don't deserve. Its this type of 'need for balance' (which is, in fact, a need for the media to stoke the fires of 'debate' to fill 24 hour news channels) that's led us to the sorry point where flat earth fuckwits are being given actual airtime on television (and not for the purposes of being pointed at and laughed at) 

Stig

iainment said:

Stig said:

The 'very likely' figure (now standing at 68%) is considerably lower than it was for quite a long time after the poll was posted (nearer 90%). I can only presume that there's some sort of correlation thing going on here and those that are slow on the uptake in one area of life, will be slow on the uptake in others 

That’ll change minds. Do you actually think being abusive will win your point?

No. Do you think me making a joke (offensive or not) will make the slightest difference one way or another?

LenGlover

One word for  those abusing the cautious and uncertain in a patronising fashion.

Thalidomide. That was a miracle cure for Morning Sickness in the nineteen sixties and children were born with terrible disabilities as a result.

People have genuine concerns and those concerns do not make them conspiracy theorists.

We allegedly live in a Free Society. How 'free' is oppressing those who are sceptical about an untested State Injection?

Rather like double glazing the harder the sell the more questionable the product in my opinion.

For the record, before people presume, I regard myself as in the 'don't know' rather than 'no' camp although I have not voted above but, unlike some evidently, I can respect all shades of opinion.