I'll take it, like I take all the other meds I take on a daily basis, but I definitely don't lump people that are concerned about this particular vaccine into the flat earth brigade.
Neither do I but while there are legitimate reasons there are also more than a few mad conspiracy theories.
Personally, I'm up for the free 5G chip and Microsoft updates I get with the jab : - )
I'll take it, like I take all the other meds I take on a daily basis, but I definitely don't lump people that are concerned about this particular vaccine into the flat earth brigade.
The biggest advance in medicine in terms of lives saved in the last two hundred years have been vaccines - millions of deaths have been avoided. My concern is the idiocy and selfishness of a lot of anti-vaxxers who don't even have any evidence to base their views on.
I'm sure plenty of people have concerns but there is information out there. If you choose to source your info on anecdotes from Facebook you won't get very far.
Not quite sure why you've quoted me. I'm happy to take it without any research or information, but can understand people being concerned, given the relatively short trial period. And I definitely wouldn't label them anything, or accuse them of only sourcing their info from social media.
Vaccine and virus aside, reckon that kind of vitrio towards people who have different opinions and concerns, is one of the biggest threats to society today.
Thank you Ewell do: 'Pork gelatin and egg protein and the only animal derivatives used in vaccines that I know of but we probably won't know for the Pfizer one for a while due to the risk of imitation.' It does beg the question why have pork gelatin in the mix? I thought they made jelly with that. I truly think that the scientists should be open about what's in their vaccines: Pfizer prizes are surely irrelevant at this time?
Thank you Ewell do: 'Pork gelatin and egg protein and the only animal derivatives used in vaccines that I know of but we probably won't know for the Pfizer one for a while due to the risk of imitation.' It does beg the question why have pork gelatin in the mix? I thought they made jelly with that. I truly think that the scientists should be open about what's in their vaccines: Pfizer prizes are surely irrelevant at this time?
I'll take it, like I take all the other meds I take on a daily basis, but I definitely don't lump people that are concerned about this particular vaccine into the flat earth brigade.
The biggest advance in medicine in terms of lives saved in the last two hundred years have been vaccines - millions of deaths have been avoided. My concern is the idiocy and selfishness of a lot of anti-vaxxers who don't even have any evidence to base their views on.
I'm sure plenty of people have concerns but there is information out there. If you choose to source your info on anecdotes from Facebook you won't get very far.
Not quite sure why you've quoted me. I'm happy to take it without any research or information, but can understand people being concerned, given the relatively short trial period. And I definitely wouldn't label them anything, or accuse them of only sourcing their info from social media.
Vaccine and virus aside, reckon that kind of vitrio towards people who have different opinions and concerns, is one of the biggest threats to society today.
It depends on what the consequences of their views are obviously. The growth of conspiracy theories and misinformation on the internet is a major concern - that for me is a huge threat to society.
Thank you Ewell do: 'Pork gelatin and egg protein and the only animal derivatives used in vaccines that I know of but we probably won't know for the Pfizer one for a while due to the risk of imitation.' It does beg the question why have pork gelatin in the mix? I thought they made jelly with that. I truly think that the scientists should be open about what's in their vaccines: Pfizer prizes are surely irrelevant at this time?
All excipients used in medicinal formulation must appear on the drug label. Btw gelatin is broken down into short chain protein and used as a stabiliser for certain drugs, in particular live vaccines, which the Pfizer vaccine isn't.
It's been a constant struggle between mankind and nature since time immemorial. From cradle to the grave we are trying to stay one step ahead of the myriad of Viruses and nasties that want to shorten our lives. Vaccines and Anti biotics/drugs have cured so many diseases including the shocking killer of many young people tuberculosis. TB/Consumption only started to be eradicated after the BCG vaccine, first used in 1921 in France and the work of Waksman and his team in 1944 when they came up with an antibiotic. Another 10 years before thousands of British School kids started being vaccinated. In other western countries it was a similar time scale.
Viruses need hosts; it our duty for the common good to have the vaccine.
Had an Anti-Vaxer/Masker shove his face into mine and Mrs UTB at Eltham Station, and start gobbing off about the BBC and the Govt being behind a national "reset". He also said i would contract Legionella disease. He got a good old fashioned Eltham "F*@k Off" He then went on to say COVID 19 was a hoax, i then invited him to volunteer at any COVID ward if it was just a flu. Didn't seem keen to take that offer up. And like most of these ill informed people they keep there children "off school, just in case".
As for the vaccine, absof*@Kinhglutely,,will take my turn in the queue, get back to normal, and get back down THE VALLEY.
Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.
I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.
Voted quite likely as it all depends on if a vaccine gets past the phase 3 stage. If any does then absolutely I would. We're still at a stage now that we don't really know if its safe or how effective, all the signs are positive though and if any of them get approved then I'd change my answer to very likely.
Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.
I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.
I get the usual flu jab each year and it hadn't dawned on me that it may contain animal remains. When I say 'hope' I meant I hope there might be an alternative like there could be for the banknotes. I would accept the vaccine however, hopefully not as a hypocrite but because of both selfish personal benefit, and because of wider societal benefit. I would feel regret that there isn't an alternative, but I wouldn't be an anti vaxxer because of the use of animal remains, as it would go towards stabilising things and I am not much of one for conspiracy theories.
Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.
I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.
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Interesting read.
Personally, I'm up for the free 5G chip and Microsoft updates I get with the jab : - )
Vaccine and virus aside, reckon that kind of vitrio towards people who have different opinions and concerns, is one of the biggest threats to society today.
'Pork gelatin and egg protein and the only animal derivatives used in vaccines that I know of but we probably won't know for the Pfizer one for a while due to the risk of imitation.'
It does beg the question why have pork gelatin in the mix? I thought they made jelly with that.
I truly think that the scientists should be open about what's in their vaccines: Pfizer prizes are surely irrelevant at this time?
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=908ecbe7-2f1b-42dd-94bf-f917ec3c5af8&version=1
so there's the RNA, there's some lipid (to make the liposomes in which the RNA is enveloped) and salts and sugar.
This is just the Pfizer vaccine, lots of others undergoing trials which have a variety of formulations and types.
Vaccines and Anti biotics/drugs have cured so many diseases including the shocking killer of many young people tuberculosis. TB/Consumption only started to be eradicated after the BCG vaccine, first used in 1921 in France and the work of Waksman and his team in 1944 when they came up with an antibiotic. Another 10 years before thousands of British School kids started being vaccinated. In other western countries it was a similar time scale.
Viruses need hosts; it our duty for the common good to have the vaccine.
Laugh and mock if you want, but nevertheless it is my hope.
Would you genuinely not have the vaccine because of your animal rights beliefs and risk catching the virus and infecting your loved ones?
The pork gelatin will cause issue with the Jewish and Muslim population as well I'd have thought.
Genuine question.
He also said i would contract Legionella disease. He got a good old fashioned Eltham "F*@k Off"
He then went on to say COVID 19 was a hoax, i then invited him to volunteer at any COVID ward if it was just a flu. Didn't seem keen to take that offer up. And like most of these ill informed people they keep there children "off school, just in case".
As for the vaccine, absof*@Kinhglutely,,will take my turn in the queue, get back to normal, and get back down THE VALLEY.
Over and over and over again.
I would not be a refusnik if there was no alternative.
Why porcine gelatine is used in vaccines
Gelatine is used in a very wide range of medicines, including many capsules and some vaccines. Porcine gelatine is used in vaccines as a stabiliser. This is to ensure that the vaccine remains safe and effective during storage. Vaccine manufacturers normally test a wide range of stabilisers and choose one that is stable, good quality and available in sufficient volume. Unlike the gelatine used in foods, the product used in vaccines is highly purified and broken down into very small molecules called peptides.
I would imagine many people, whether Vegan, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim have been taking tablets for years that have porcine gelatine.
I would accept the vaccine however, hopefully not as a hypocrite but because of both selfish personal benefit, and because of wider societal benefit.
I would feel regret that there isn't an alternative, but I wouldn't be an anti vaxxer because of the use of animal remains, as it would go towards stabilising things and I am not much of one for conspiracy theories.
Again and again and again and again.