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Hard to imagine now. A pint or two at lunchtime was quite normal. And Friday you might not make it back at all!8
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Fully agree. Lunchtimes are for a pint of beer for the gentleman and a glass of wine or fruit based drink for the ladies.Saga Lout said:
Those were the days! I think the country went to shit when everyone started going back to the office after lunch sober. Our great economy was built on people making decisions when slightly pissed.BrentfordAddick said:Exactly, covid has hurried things up rather than changed things. I'm 54. For the first part of my working life, a couple of pints at lunch was pretty much expected. If I did that now I'd expect to be sacked. I still like my local but it's never going to win any pub of the year awards and I'm still a few years from reaching the average age of the people in there. The food is ok because the guvnor lets us order takeaway pizzas and eat them in there.
Well designed apartment buildings with some shop and leisure use on the ground floor is how whatever passes for a High Street will probably look.
Everyone knows the Englishman makes good decisions sober and great decisions after a few beers. For centuries Britain ruled the world, and did so whilst drinking.
Clearly you can’t just be drunk all day, nothing would get done. That’s why there are rules.
1. No drinking before the sun reaches the yardarm, no idea what a yardarm is but 11am seems fair (airports being the exception to this rule, where every Englishman knows its his duty to drink as early and as much as he can)
2. Publicans to accept teenage children at their word when they say they are 18. Thus ensuring when junior starts work, they are up to speed on the drinking front.
So next time a management consultant turns up from our colonial cousins in the US of A and demands you stop lunchtime drinking, remind them it’s Great Britain not average Britain not mediocre Britain. Get yourself a drink you deserve it.19 -
it was almost encouraged reallyVincenzo said:Hard to imagine now. A pint or two at lunchtime was quite normal. And Friday you might not make it back at all!1 -
Definitely when the wheels came off in this country. In the pub till 3 when it closed, time for an hours work before popping back in at 5.30.Saga Lout said:
Those were the days! I think the country went to shit when everyone started going back to the office after lunch sober. Our great economy was built on people making decisions when slightly pissed.BrentfordAddick said:Exactly, covid has hurried things up rather than changed things. I'm 54. For the first part of my working life, a couple of pints at lunch was pretty much expected. If I did that now I'd expect to be sacked. I still like my local but it's never going to win any pub of the year awards and I'm still a few years from reaching the average age of the people in there. The food is ok because the guvnor lets us order takeaway pizzas and eat them in there.
Well designed apartment buildings with some shop and leisure use on the ground floor is how whatever passes for a High Street will probably look.1 -
It wasn’t when i was working as a neurosurgeon.cafcdave123 said:
it was almost encouraged reallyVincenzo said:Hard to imagine now. A pint or two at lunchtime was quite normal. And Friday you might not make it back at all!6 -
You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.0
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that has brought a tear to my eye that has. RULE BRITANNIA!SheffieldRed said:
Fully agree. Lunchtimes are for a pint of beer for the gentleman and a glass of wine or fruit based drink for the ladies.Saga Lout said:
Those were the days! I think the country went to shit when everyone started going back to the office after lunch sober. Our great economy was built on people making decisions when slightly pissed.BrentfordAddick said:Exactly, covid has hurried things up rather than changed things. I'm 54. For the first part of my working life, a couple of pints at lunch was pretty much expected. If I did that now I'd expect to be sacked. I still like my local but it's never going to win any pub of the year awards and I'm still a few years from reaching the average age of the people in there. The food is ok because the guvnor lets us order takeaway pizzas and eat them in there.
Well designed apartment buildings with some shop and leisure use on the ground floor is how whatever passes for a High Street will probably look.
Everyone knows the Englishman makes good decisions sober and great decisions after a few beers. For centuries Britain ruled the world, and did so whilst drinking.
Clearly you can’t just be drunk all day, nothing would get done. That’s why there are rules.
1. No drinking before the sun reaches the yardarm, no idea what a yardarm is but 11am seems fair (airports being the exception to this rule, where every Englishman knows its his duty to drink as early and as much as he can)
2. Publicans to accept teenage children at their word when they say they are 18. Thus ensuring when junior starts work, they are up to speed on the drinking front.
So next time a management consultant turns up from our colonial cousins in the US of A and demands you stop lunchtime drinking, remind them it’s Great Britain not average Britain not mediocre Britain. Get yourself a drink you deserve it.0 -
The sun set on the Empire 100 years ago. Now they should be singing, "Rule Brexit Island!".Karim_myBagheri said:
that has brought a tear to my eye that has. RULE BRITANNIA!SheffieldRed said:
Fully agree. Lunchtimes are for a pint of beer for the gentleman and a glass of wine or fruit based drink for the ladies.Saga Lout said:
Those were the days! I think the country went to shit when everyone started going back to the office after lunch sober. Our great economy was built on people making decisions when slightly pissed.BrentfordAddick said:Exactly, covid has hurried things up rather than changed things. I'm 54. For the first part of my working life, a couple of pints at lunch was pretty much expected. If I did that now I'd expect to be sacked. I still like my local but it's never going to win any pub of the year awards and I'm still a few years from reaching the average age of the people in there. The food is ok because the guvnor lets us order takeaway pizzas and eat them in there.
Well designed apartment buildings with some shop and leisure use on the ground floor is how whatever passes for a High Street will probably look.
Everyone knows the Englishman makes good decisions sober and great decisions after a few beers. For centuries Britain ruled the world, and did so whilst drinking.
Clearly you can’t just be drunk all day, nothing would get done. That’s why there are rules.
1. No drinking before the sun reaches the yardarm, no idea what a yardarm is but 11am seems fair (airports being the exception to this rule, where every Englishman knows its his duty to drink as early and as much as he can)
2. Publicans to accept teenage children at their word when they say they are 18. Thus ensuring when junior starts work, they are up to speed on the drinking front.
So next time a management consultant turns up from our colonial cousins in the US of A and demands you stop lunchtime drinking, remind them it’s Great Britain not average Britain not mediocre Britain. Get yourself a drink you deserve it.
PS: Don't take me seriously, for gawd's sake.
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yeah, but with a bit of luck on our side i reckon we could take it back.Oggy Red said:
The sun set on the Empire 100 years ago. Now they should be singing, "Rule Brexit Island!".Karim_myBagheri said:
that has brought a tear to my eye that has. RULE BRITANNIA!SheffieldRed said:
Fully agree. Lunchtimes are for a pint of beer for the gentleman and a glass of wine or fruit based drink for the ladies.Saga Lout said:
Those were the days! I think the country went to shit when everyone started going back to the office after lunch sober. Our great economy was built on people making decisions when slightly pissed.BrentfordAddick said:Exactly, covid has hurried things up rather than changed things. I'm 54. For the first part of my working life, a couple of pints at lunch was pretty much expected. If I did that now I'd expect to be sacked. I still like my local but it's never going to win any pub of the year awards and I'm still a few years from reaching the average age of the people in there. The food is ok because the guvnor lets us order takeaway pizzas and eat them in there.
Well designed apartment buildings with some shop and leisure use on the ground floor is how whatever passes for a High Street will probably look.
Everyone knows the Englishman makes good decisions sober and great decisions after a few beers. For centuries Britain ruled the world, and did so whilst drinking.
Clearly you can’t just be drunk all day, nothing would get done. That’s why there are rules.
1. No drinking before the sun reaches the yardarm, no idea what a yardarm is but 11am seems fair (airports being the exception to this rule, where every Englishman knows its his duty to drink as early and as much as he can)
2. Publicans to accept teenage children at their word when they say they are 18. Thus ensuring when junior starts work, they are up to speed on the drinking front.
So next time a management consultant turns up from our colonial cousins in the US of A and demands you stop lunchtime drinking, remind them it’s Great Britain not average Britain not mediocre Britain. Get yourself a drink you deserve it.
PS: Don't take me seriously, for gawd's sake.
I mean its as plausible as Charlton finishing in the top six.0 -
The average cost of a drink in a pub now is also a big factor. Whilst no doubt duty/tax is a significant factor it’s no longer such an affordable thing to do on a more regular basis.I assume that’s why Weatherspoon’s were doing relatively well with their slightly better pricing.1
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SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.
I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
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Pretty much knocked drinking at lunchtime on the head a few years back. Might do it occasionally if there’s a function or I’ve got a nice lunch but it just knackers me for the afternoon. Much prefer do my drinking in the evening now. If you had told me I’d adopted this attitude between the ages of 17 & 35, I would have thought you were nuts’5
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Just to add to the demise of pubs I’ve reluctantly applied for change of use for mine from a pub to a domestic dwelling.
Ive had several buyers drop out as the banks won’t finance pubs , it’s been on the market a fair while & £205k off its original asking price & don’t really have any other options .
it’s such a shame after 15 years building it up & it’s been a pub for over 100 years but I don’t see a place in the market for pubs like mine post COVID & I can’t carry on dropping the price.0 -
such a shame @Spitfire76
Where abouts is your pub?
From memory it was in Berkshire but I might of got that completely wrong.
Did it have alot of locals?
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I’m in Buckingham , Its in a small holt with just a couple of farmhouses so no local drinkers I’m mostly food , they tend to come out in the car to eat then back to their local for a drink & walk home , I trade from around 8-10 local villages ,Buckingham town & Silverstone race track, there is also a national trust estate walkable which has always served us well but with the national trust opening there own tearoom & restaurant last year I lost all my coach parties & Silverstone circuit has increased its food offering so much over the years most trade is kept on the track.Karim_myBagheri said:such a shame @Spitfire76
Where abouts is your pub?
From memory it was in Berkshire but I might of got that completely wrong.
Did it have alot of locals?
In Buckingham we have seen the arrival of the chains over the last 18 months & we’ve gone from being 100% independent businesses to now having a subway ,costa x 2 , beefeater/premier inn , dominoes , prezzo , McDonald’s in March & that’s before Silverstone open their 2 new hotels.
With the expected downturn in business over the next 12-24 months & the losses of the last 10 months I just can’t compete for a place in the market without significant investment & I just don’t have the energy or motivation to do it after this past year, I was hoping it would stay a pub but the only interested parties would have converted it to an Indian anyway , still time though & it might be saved , I’m willing to work with people that want to keep it as a pub & would lease it out but it wouldn’t be fair on potential tenants as I know they would struggle to pay the rent I’d need.
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Ahh, the heady days of the tricky third pint decision!Boom said:SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
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personally, when it comes to you selling it sounds like its the right call to make.Spitfire76 said:
I’m in Buckingham , Its in a small holt with just a couple of farmhouses so no local drinkers I’m mostly food , they tend to come out in the car to eat then back to their local for a drink & walk home , I trade from around 8-10 local villages ,Buckingham town & Silverstone race track, there is also a national trust estate walkable which has always served us well but with the national trust opening there own tearoom & restaurant last year I lost all my coach parties & Silverstone circuit has increased its food offering so much over the years most trade is kept on the track.Karim_myBagheri said:such a shame @Spitfire76
Where abouts is your pub?
From memory it was in Berkshire but I might of got that completely wrong.
Did it have alot of locals?
In Buckingham we have seen the arrival of the chains over the last 18 months & we’ve gone from being 100% independent businesses to now having a subway ,costa x 2 , beefeater/premier inn , dominoes , prezzo , McDonald’s in March & that’s before Silverstone open their 2 new hotels.
With the expected downturn in business over the next 12-24 months & the losses of the last 10 months I just can’t compete for a place in the market without significant investment & I just don’t have the energy or motivation to do it after this past year, I was hoping it would stay a pub but the only interested parties would have converted it to an Indian anyway , still time though & it might be saved , I’m willing to work with people that want to keep it as a pub & would lease it out but it wouldn’t be fair on potential tenants as I know they would struggle to pay the rent I’d need.
Yeah, you would like it to continue as a pub but if that means losing out on a fair chunk of money (don't know what your money situation is like but even so) i cant see how that is doable.
its a lose to the area but what can you do.
will you stay in the area yourself? and in the publican trade?0 -
I’m settled here now we have kids & I don’t want them moving pub to pub like I did & thats why I’d like it to stay as a pub as it would be my local now I’ve brought a house here.Karim_myBagheri said:
personally, when it comes to you selling it sounds like its the right call to make.Spitfire76 said:
I’m in Buckingham , Its in a small holt with just a couple of farmhouses so no local drinkers I’m mostly food , they tend to come out in the car to eat then back to their local for a drink & walk home , I trade from around 8-10 local villages ,Buckingham town & Silverstone race track, there is also a national trust estate walkable which has always served us well but with the national trust opening there own tearoom & restaurant last year I lost all my coach parties & Silverstone circuit has increased its food offering so much over the years most trade is kept on the track.Karim_myBagheri said:such a shame @Spitfire76
Where abouts is your pub?
From memory it was in Berkshire but I might of got that completely wrong.
Did it have alot of locals?
In Buckingham we have seen the arrival of the chains over the last 18 months & we’ve gone from being 100% independent businesses to now having a subway ,costa x 2 , beefeater/premier inn , dominoes , prezzo , McDonald’s in March & that’s before Silverstone open their 2 new hotels.
With the expected downturn in business over the next 12-24 months & the losses of the last 10 months I just can’t compete for a place in the market without significant investment & I just don’t have the energy or motivation to do it after this past year, I was hoping it would stay a pub but the only interested parties would have converted it to an Indian anyway , still time though & it might be saved , I’m willing to work with people that want to keep it as a pub & would lease it out but it wouldn’t be fair on potential tenants as I know they would struggle to pay the rent I’d need.
Yeah, you would like it to continue as a pub but if that means losing out on a fair chunk of money (don't know what your money situation is like but even so) i cant see how that is doable.
its a lose to the area but what can you do.
will you stay in the area yourself? and in the publican trade?
Ive lived in & run pubs all over the south from Kent to Brighton, Crawley & up to Cardiff & everywhere in between since the 70s as my parents were publicans but this is my first “free house”.
One upside of the past year is the forced break & time with the family , our 1st Xmas together with us not working was great & I wouldn’t go back to nights & weekends with 70hr weeks for any money.
As for the future I’m not sure as it’s all I’ve ever done alongside being a chef for event work & sports but after the mrs spitfire helping with the pub the last 13 years (she was a waitress here when I took over) it’s time for her career (1st year as a teacher in secondary school) to take the front seat as she’s done A levels & uni whilst being at the pub and never used her degree so my next move needs to fit around school runs & dinner!9 -
Good luck to you @Spitfire76 i hope everything works out for you
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Now that’s a spooky reference. The Griffin on Leonard St, just of Great Eastern St? Because I’ve had manga Friday afternoon lock-in there when pubs used to close at 3pm.Boom said:SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
Or is this just a generic thing with pubs called the Griffin?0 - Sponsored links:
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I'm sure this refers to the Griffin which provided (ahem) "entertainment".SomervilleAddick said:
Now that’s a spooky reference. The Griffin on Leonard St, just of Great Eastern St? Because I’ve had manga Friday afternoon lock-in there when pubs used to close at 3pm.Boom said:SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
Or is this just a generic thing with pubs called the Griffin?0 -
Like Browns,forget its old name when a pub, opposite the big church in Shorditch used in the tv series Rev. You could even park outside, quick pint, 50p in the jug, and back to work after the double act which finished the lunchtime tutorial1
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I worked at NatWest in the city - they had a staff wine bar and a staff pub, so could hardly have a go at you if you had a drink at lunchtime !!0
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It was Browns in 1980, If it had another name it was a long time ago. There were loads of similar establishments in the area. I’ve forgotten almost all of their names,Bromley Graham said:Like Browns,forget its old name when a pub, opposite the big church in Shorditch used in the tv series Rev. You could even park outside, quick pint, 50p in the jug, and back to work after the double act which finished the lunchtime tutorial0 -
think Browns used to be a pub called the beehive - I grew up just off Hackney Road and Beehive rings a bellSomervilleAddick said:
It was Browns in 1980, If it had another name it was a long time ago. There were loads of similar establishments in the area. I’ve forgotten almost all of their names,Bromley Graham said:Like Browns,forget its old name when a pub, opposite the big church in Shorditch used in the tv series Rev. You could even park outside, quick pint, 50p in the jug, and back to work after the double act which finished the lunchtime tutorial0 -
Would be happy with just the 2 pints at the moment!Off_it said:
Ahh, the heady days of the tricky third pint decision!Boom said:SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
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It does indeed!Saga Lout said:
I'm sure this refers to the Griffin which provided (ahem) "entertainment".SomervilleAddick said:
Now that’s a spooky reference. The Griffin on Leonard St, just of Great Eastern St? Because I’ve had manga Friday afternoon lock-in there when pubs used to close at 3pm.Boom said:SomervilleAddick said:You’ve just got to figure out where your Ballmer Peak is. Generally between 2-3 pints.I don't know what Ballmer Peak is but we generally found it a lot more difficult to go back to work after 3 pints.
2 Pints - a bit of a drag going back to work as you're just getting into it, but no real problem but you really had to think whether you wanted that 3rd pint because if you did, you'd probably have another 7 or 8 and end up in The Griffin.
Or is this just a generic thing with pubs called the Griffin?0 -
50p? That must have been years ago, it’s always been a pound (so my mates tell me)Bromley Graham said:Like Browns,forget its old name when a pub, opposite the big church in Shorditch used in the tv series Rev. You could even park outside, quick pint, 50p in the jug, and back to work after the double act which finished the lunchtime tutorial3 -
Have worked around motor vehicles all my life. So the chances of having a mid-day or late night pint in a good pub have been very few and very far between. My wife who worked in insurance in the square mile would tell stories of lunch time sessions that made my hair curl.
Then the yanks turned up and it stopped overnight in her insurance company. Happy to say she is now retired ,but still enjoys the occasional glass to lift her sprits!3 -
Another great pub was The Hole in the Wall few doors down fro Borough Underground. Used to jump a bus from the City ,dropped outside and enjoyed the artistic dancing. Unusually, had a catwalk which was fun.
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