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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!4
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AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
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I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer1 -
This nonsense has been peddled out by quite a few people in recent weeks and is actually starting to make me angry.FAVADDICK said:AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
To most people bowyer is now bigger then our club they support him more then charlton he can do no wrong in there eyesIt insinuates that if you’ve felt the best CURRENT course of action for our club is a short period of stability and opportunity for our existing manager to bed in recent squad changes and see key players return from injury, then that makes you less of a fan. That you are doing so for the betterment of an individual rather than the club you love.
You probably don’t intend it like but personally i find that really insulting.22 -
Not down to emotion - I'd like him to have been moved on weeks ago. Tired of how mediocre we are and his bizarre tactics/team selections.RedChaser said:Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!
He may turn things around but based on the last few months that seems highly unlikely.
If we leave him in charge we essentially write off the rest of the season.
I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong but as it stands we're one of the worst teams in L1.0 -
If you don’t think Lee,s game management didn’t contribute to our relegation, then you were not watching the same games that I did.ForeverAddickted said:
Well not really as we went backwards in those two years, that wouldnt be acceptable from fans now, it really wouldntMuttleyCAFC said:
Curbs and Gritt were in the Championship and building. Gritt did end up going! Not sure what your point is there.ForeverAddickted said:Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread
But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.
My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt
The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League
This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games
Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
Parkinson got sacked because we finished 4th and were then sitting 4th the following year
Bowyer is in League One and building
Unfortunately for Lee he's just come off the back of a Championship relegation where he was betrayed by owners and players
As for Gritt, he didnt leave for another two seasonsBut, of course Taylor enabled him to swerve the blame, because it was all Taylor,s fault.4 -
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Tindall sacked by Bournemouth. Some quotes:
"We feel a change is needed now to give the club the best possible chance of achieving the goals clearly set out last summer," said a club statement.
"Recent performances and results have fallen well below the board's expectations," the club said.
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I wonder what influence people like Roddy etc that TS has brought into the club have when it comes to Bowyer. I have a feeling if they report any unrest back to Sandgaard then he would have no problem getting rid.5
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Which we still don't have available and have done NOTHING to try and fix through January.PeanutsMolloy said:
How about 7 games with 6 straight wins and 6 straight clean sheets in Oct/Nov?Croydon said:
What have you seen from Bowyer that makes you think he can turn this around?PeanutsMolloy said:
Try reading what I wrote. 1 game after the first full window he's been able to do any transfers for God knows how long.Croydon said:
No one's judging after one game, we've been mainly woeful since October 2019.PeanutsMolloy said:
This.AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Bowyer makes mistakes (some bigger than others) and is not the perfect manager....... shock horror. Who'd have thought?
BUT, we never know all the facts about why players may not make the starting line-up or why certain subs are made.
Some folk on here have incredibly short memories..... not least of our desperate straits less than 6 months ago (when we were extolling Bow et al for their loyalty) and of our brilliant run (notwithstanding our apparently inept management team) when we were injury-free and had had a brief chance to assemble a make-shift squad.
Show some bloody loyalty back to the bloke and at least give him the chance to show what he can do (over time, not one bloody game) after a full transfer window and preferably with our first-choice defence available.
The summer is the earliest moment to make any long term decisions about whether Bow is the right man for TS's plans and I strongly suspect that's how TS sees it.
Above all, BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
Injuries, shit senior management, half a transfer window, a full transfer window but with a cap, no crowds, too small a crowd, dodgy refs, dodgy pitches, the cap, the cap again. It's just excuse after excuse. Could be bottom of League One next November, and we'd still have fans on here telling us to give him a chance because he stuck with us through the ESI days.
I'm a Charlton fan, not a Bowyer fan. His management is directly holding us back at the moment, so I don't really understand the need for some blind loyalty towards him.
Also, what evidence is there that Sandgaard would bring in some randomer, rather than a proper manager? Hardly built a random SMT since he's been here, has he?
Clue - the last time we had our first choice defence available.
If buts and maybes, let's deal in facts. This is not good enough.5 - Sponsored links:
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Ive loved Bowyer for the last few years but its time to go. No structure, set formation or settled team and he clearly cant get the best out of a certain type of player so he just bin's them.1
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Do you think I and all those that want to see Bowyer given to the end of the season enjoy watching us get beat or winning only 4 games in 17? No of course we don’t but there are several other factors to consider before you throw the baby out with the bath water. For a start I thought TS said this was a 5 to 8 year plan not a half season plan.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Not down to emotion - I'd like him to have been moved on weeks ago. Tired of how mediocre we are and his bizarre tactics/team selections.RedChaser said:Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!
He may turn things around but based on the last few months that seems highly unlikely.
If we leave him in charge we essentially write off the rest of the season.
I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong but as it stands we're one of the worst teams in L1.Oh well I’ve stated my position you don’t agree with the fairness of giving him any more time. Fair enough, we shall just have to beg to differ.4 -
I think you will find, that these comments are based, on the case put forward. This appears to be largely around Bowyers Loyalty, Bowyers one of us, no pre- season, club could have folded, he turned down other jobs.AFKABartram said:
This nonsense has been peddled out by quite a few people in recent weeks and is actually starting to make me angry.FAVADDICK said:AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
To most people bowyer is now bigger then our club they support him more then charlton he can do no wrong in there eyesIt insinuates that if you’ve felt the best CURRENT course of action for our club is a short period of stability and opportunity for our existing manager to bed in recent squad changes and see key players return from injury, then that makes you less of a fan. That you are doing so for the betterment of an individual rather than the club you love.
You probably don’t intend it like but personally i find that really insulting.Non of these in my opinion can be wheeled out for what we are watching currently. Therefore those who use these arguments for why We are under performing in such a massive way, do appear to support Lee, over and above the best interest of the club.I’m sure it’s not intended to be an insult, and loyalty is a creditable trait, but many are now questioning, wether some fans undying loyalty to Bower is overdone.Although equally insulting is some of the loyalists mantra that people who think his time is up, are not real fans and should go to Palace or Millwall.4 -
On the other hand I could say that those who are more critical or wanting a change might well feel similarly insulted by the implication that they are short sighted or impatient.AFKABartram said:
This nonsense has been peddled out by quite a few people in recent weeks and is actually starting to make me angry.FAVADDICK said:AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
To most people bowyer is now bigger then our club they support him more then charlton he can do no wrong in there eyesIt insinuates that if you’ve felt the best CURRENT course of action for our club is a short period of stability and opportunity for our existing manager to bed in recent squad changes and see key players return from injury, then that makes you less of a fan. That you are doing so for the betterment of an individual rather than the club you love.
You probably don’t intend it like but personally i find that really insulting.
Yes Bowyer did stay when things were tough. Credit to him there. But our "first choice" defence pair have been out for three months now and apparently there is absolutely no-one out there who could be better cover than a right back or an aging midfielder? That stretches credulity. If the money is there to sign yet another midfielder then money was there for a centre back.
And it's not as if a lot of the criticism is hindsight. A lot of the time the formations are announced and then questioned, almost as frequently we then go behind and change the formation/shape. This has been happening for a long long time.
You probably don't mean it that way but wanting a change being written off as knee jerk or impatient could also be seen as fairly insulting.
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I think that's just emotion/fickleness from fans though. Also the fact that it’s happened so often and more often than not for peanuts.ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summerI'm sure that most of our fans know the score. I’m not saying clubs should hand over players but like with DJ, sometimes it can't be stopped. If the price is too high, I don't expect us to be stupid, which is why I'm not criticising the failure to sign Sorba Thomas or Charlie Kirk.
What I disagree with is the fact nobody was available. I think it is quite clear that Bowyer prioritised other positions. We were linked with 4/5 wingers on deadline day alone. We signed Matt Smith, yet another CM when it was obvious to 99% of people that we needed a CB. Yes once fit we are probably just about covered in that area, but surely the same is said at CM, and we do currently have CM's fit, something not replicated at the back. For me, it was a poor decision that is going to come back and haunt us.0 -
To be honest I had to check it was MK Dons after reading some of the post match comments. Then I had to check that they weren't ten points clear at the top.Croydon said:
Beating MK was a tactical masterclass, we stopped the best passing team in the world that night. Sat back for 45 mins in a defensive effort not seen since Rorke's Drift.Cafc43v3r said:
Which 4 teams have we beaten? Bristol Rovers, MK Dons, Wimbledon and Ipswich?J BLOCK said:Bournemouth manager has just been sacked for 4 losses in a row.
We are at 4 wins in 17 now I believe.
How many times have we played well in those 17 games?
I thought we had just beaten Pep's Barcelona or the 1970 Brazilians (even if they are in their 80s)3 -
AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
I'm sure that TS would be taking the advice of Ged Roddy and that won't happen.1 -
For all those that want Bowyer in and are referencing the longer term plan, I do understand where you're coming from. But for me it's not just about the results. I'm never a fan of sacking a manager and want them given time, but there are certain conditions of that. You have to ask whether Bowyer is capable of turning it around, both this season to finish respectably and then build on that for next season. Personally for the first time, I have zero confidence in that. Let's say we finish 10th and Sandgaard then wants to give Bowyer the summer and the first 10 games, you would have to have massive confidence in Bowyer and also his squad building. Otherwise you risk losing next season too.RedChaser said:
Do you think I and all those that want to see Bowyer given to the end of the season enjoy watching us get beat or winning only 4 games in 17? No of course we don’t but there are several other factors to consider before you throw the baby out with the bath water. For a start I thought TS said this was a 5 to 8 year plan not a half season plan.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Not down to emotion - I'd like him to have been moved on weeks ago. Tired of how mediocre we are and his bizarre tactics/team selections.RedChaser said:Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!
He may turn things around but based on the last few months that seems highly unlikely.
If we leave him in charge we essentially write off the rest of the season.
I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong but as it stands we're one of the worst teams in L1.Oh well I’ve stated my position you don’t agree with the fairness of giving him any more time. Fair enough, we shall just have to beg to differ.
I'd give Bowyer February and see where we are in 4 weeks. It's not a particularly difficult run of fixtures and we need to go on a decent run. I don't agree we should give him the season, I would want a new manager to be given at least 8-10 games this season. That way they get to look at the squad in first team games before the summer rebuild. Although different circumstances, that helped both Powell and Bowyer (admittedly the latter was already involved) make their decisions and build promotion winning squads.5 -
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A few have already said it but that first season we played under him and the subsequent promotion year, I was impressed with Bowyers management. His teams went after the game, there was a real dynamic and it was enjoyable. Similarly when we started in the championship, we had no fear.Unfortunately that same management style doesn’t seem to be in existence. Our squad of players are extremely good for this league so please stop trotting out that excuse. We should be playoffs absolute minimum. Pratley and Watson shouldn’t be anywhere near this team. God knows what has happened to Gilbey but there’s a player in there, Bowyer doesn’t seen to be able to get it out though. And that’s his job. To get these players performing.The decisions this season. So so strange. Williams goal and mom performance. Next game, bench. Maddison, goal and mom. Next game, bench. Millar, goal, mom. Bench. Almost like Bows is playing mind games and showing people they aren’t bigger than the team.If we are saying this season is potentially a write off then let’s give Bowyer some more time. But if by mid March we haven’t improved, then I think it’s time to get rid and get someone on board before the summer.4
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Even in their 80's that forward line would have a field day against our defenceCafc43v3r said:
To be honest I had to check it was MK Dons after reading some of the post match comments. Then I had to check that they weren't ten points clear at the top.Croydon said:
Beating MK was a tactical masterclass, we stopped the best passing team in the world that night. Sat back for 45 mins in a defensive effort not seen since Rorke's Drift.Cafc43v3r said:
Which 4 teams have we beaten? Bristol Rovers, MK Dons, Wimbledon and Ipswich?J BLOCK said:Bournemouth manager has just been sacked for 4 losses in a row.
We are at 4 wins in 17 now I believe.
How many times have we played well in those 17 games?
I thought we had just beaten Pep's Barcelona or the 1970 Brazilians (even if they are in their 80s)2 -
That's just standard football behaviour though isn't it?ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer
Sign a player from a smaller club - "can't blame him, bloke wants to progess his career at a better club for more money, welcome aboard"
Lose player to bigger club/club in higher league - "judas c*nt, there's no loyalty in football these days, fuck him"3 -
Wouldn't have an issue with a Danish manager, or Belgian or whatever if they are good enough. In fact I think I'd rather have Jose Riga back again than someone like Pulis (not that either are going to happen!)
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if we were putting in these pathetic performances, conceding over 2 goals a game, giving Swindon and rochdale 2 goal starts, manager calling out players, fans, constant selection and formation changes under slade, Luzon, peeters, Riga, Robinson etc, who would still be backing them or would you be calling for their heads?
bowyer did very well under difficult circumstances but has now gone very stale. Thanks for that great day out at Wembley lee, but unfortunately you have lost it and need time on your fishing lakes.
in my view, bowyer has to go. Managers come and go and this will be upsetting similar to curbs going and more so than Powell. Bowyer has had roland and Esi to deal with and kept the club going. For that, I’m grateful. But we can’t keep going as we are at the moment.
ive previously said bowyer needs an experienced first team coach. Robinson had bowyer and Jackson, bowyer has Jackson. I don’t understand why? Maybe bowyers choice? I think it’s past that stage now. I really can’t see bowyer turning this around now.9 -
Bit like Scott Parker...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
That's just standard football behaviour though isn't it?ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer
Sign a player from a smaller club - "can't blame him, bloke wants to progess his career at a better club for more money, welcome aboard"
Lose player to bigger club/club in higher league - "judas c*nt, there's no loyalty in football these days, fuck him"
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the old saying 'be careful what you wish for'1
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Or of you don’t try, how will you knowElthamaddick said:the old saying 'be careful what you wish for'2 -
There is a way to do it though. I don't think many people have a problem with Gomez, Shelvey, Konsa, Doughty or Phillips. Parker and Taylor though, different story.ForeverAddickted said:
Bit like Scott Parker...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
That's just standard football behaviour though isn't it?ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer
Sign a player from a smaller club - "can't blame him, bloke wants to progess his career at a better club for more money, welcome aboard"
Lose player to bigger club/club in higher league - "judas c*nt, there's no loyalty in football these days, fuck him" 2 -
If they had both stayed/played to the end of the season it would have been a totally different situation.cafcfan1990 said:
There is a way to do it though. I don't think many people have a problem with Gomez, Shelvey, Konsa, Doughty or Phillips. Parker and Taylor though, different story.ForeverAddickted said:
Bit like Scott Parker...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
That's just standard football behaviour though isn't it?ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer
Sign a player from a smaller club - "can't blame him, bloke wants to progess his career at a better club for more money, welcome aboard"
Lose player to bigger club/club in higher league - "judas c*nt, there's no loyalty in football these days, fuck him" 2 -
Remember peeps - football is a results business4
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