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Has Bowyer lost it?
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I hold my hands up to this as well to be honest and will occasionally use the "lol!" function if I disagree with a postTodds_right_hook said:
Sorry, couldn’t resist!!!AFKABartram said:
Yeah I don’t know why you do this @Dazzler21 (and others, it’s not just you).RedChaser said:
Just out of interest @Dazzler21 what amuses you about this post pray do tell. You don’t have to lol every persons post you disagree with, respect other people’s opinions. I thought you were better than that.RedChaser said:Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!
You put thought into being open and providing an honest, serious post, and then someone hits a laugh button. It’s really annoying and makes you think why bother posting. Disagree with the view, but don’t laugh. I’m sure you don’t mean for it to offend, but I know it winds me up so I’m sure it does others as well.
It’s hard enough posting through this when things aren’t going well as it is.
agree though, just because someone disagrees with a comment, it gets lol’d. Maybe there should be a disagree button.2 -
To play defensive football, you need to be able to defendMrLargo said:
I think that any criticism of Bowyer's performance in the championship last season is absurd and just shows a complete inability to understand the bigger picture. The key fact is that we had a far lower budget than all the other 23 teams in that division. We started every game at a disadvantage to our opponents, and that's without taking account of all the nonsense that was going on in the background. It's a miracle that he kept us competitive - we had the luxury of feeling unfortunate to get relegated, when the cards we were dealt dictated that we should have finished rock-bottom and 20 points adrift of safety.Dazzler21 said:
23 wins out of 72 games isn't doing that well, Bowyer has been overly defensive since Oct/Nov 2019 not just since 2020. If you can't see that, you're still being sentimental and choosing to ignore that period of time. He got last season as his free hit that he earned and was given in spite of the situation we were in regarding ownership.MrLargo said:But putting sentiment aside, our current manager has done a good job here for all but 3 months in nearly three years. Surely it's less of a gamble to keep him and give him a chance to gel the squad he's put together, than it would be to bring someone new in.
This season he still signed 11 players and chose to sell/loan out two of those 11 just 4 months later, returned Smyth and Levitt to their parent clubs and got in decent looking replacements for those (Smith & Millar). We've also to the Sandgaard Gallen Bowyer credit signed Stockley, Schwartz and Jaiyesimi who should also improve us. I'm all for giving him another 5-10 games as I think the argument around signings is fair, but we cannot let it go on too long as a new manager will want maybe 10 games to truly assess and understand who to keep/move on and who to replace them with.
A new manager may or may not re-invigorate this team, one thing is for sure though if we keep doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different result we're all mad.
I have to say, I find it really bizarre when people aren't able to understand the wider situation. I've heard a Newcastle fan on the radio this week complaining that Steve Bruce plays overly defensive football and that he should play with the attacking intent of Kevin Keegan's Newcastle. Kevin Keegan had Alan Shearer, Peter Beardsley, Les Ferdinand and David Ginola. I've a sneaking suspicion that, if Steve Bruce had Harry Kane, Marcus Rashford, Jack Grealish and Phil Foden in his squad, he'd probably play a more attacking brand of football. But he hasn't, so he has to cut his cloth accordingly.
Same with us last season. Nothing to do with sentimentality. To play open, attacking football, you need to either throw an absolute fortune at your squad, or accept that you're going to get relegated.2 -
Out is feeling increasingly like the place to be. The way things are at the moment is really sapping my willingness to participate in talking about football, which is a shame because this is our only Charlton community at the moment.RedChaser said:Couldn’t have put it better myself @Garrymanilow but of course you know what you’ll get now is the usual ‘’well if you don’t like this thread don’t open it’’.
We’re all Charlton fans who only want the best for the club, social media has a lot to answer for in creating division and unrest. I think I’ll now take that advice in speech marks above. I’m out.
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You have to draw a line somewhere and stop looking for any little justification as to a bad performance etc. Head Vs heart sort of thing.
TS has already said this season is a free hit in terms of promotion, yes it's achievable and we absolutely should go for it, but Bowyer won't be judged missing out on it. We've just seen the end of the transfer window as well so what really would be the point in giving him the chop now.
Let him finish the season with his new and returning player's, but I'll imagine if the performances don't improve (even if we stay down) then think TS will get rid and then join the CL bed wetters group for not giving him another 3 and half seasons to sort out the defence.0 -
What a load of tosh. There is no joy, just frustration. Nobody is saying, 'great we lost last night, now I can enjoy myself slagging the manager off'. It is insulting to suggest so.Garrymanilow said:I've never said there's glee at bad results, you should read what I wrote more carefully. I'm saying that there are plenty of people who delight in the opportunity to start up this and other threads again and begin their 'look I was right' or 'I think I'm a football manager when I'm actually a bloke on a message board' or 'I knew Lee had lost the dressing room' spiel, which has no variation from the last time they posted it. In some ways I envy these people, because while I'm just feeling bad after a disappointing result they get to temper their frustration with the clear enjoyment they take in posting in this and similar threads. That's what I'm finding increasingly difficult to deal with on here, there's very little debate or nuance in threads like this, it's just the same. I'm not happy with how things are going either but when the forum becomes a spot just for rage and the same postings over and over again then it starts becoming about as enjoyable as the matches have been. At least if we boot him out the door there might be a break from that for a few weeks.15 -
This WILL happen!shine166 said:Love Bowyer, true club legend but nostalgia doesn't win you games.
I've seen the script, he finishes the season, has a full window, moans about the same wage restrictions that everyone else has. Gets sacked in December, new management come in with there own desires so rebuild.. 2022-23 has his first full season to attack promotion, miss out in the playoffs and 2023-24 we go up after fannying around in this league for 5 years.4 -
As already mentioned, I think LB will be here the rest of this season unless our league position absolutely nose dives and we are threatened by relegation. My feeling is this season will peter out to a mid table finish, 9th-14th ish.
I think TS would like to see how LB does with a "proper" pre-season to prepare, and 2021-22 will be his first ever season as Charlton manager where he wont be hindered by a hostile owner.
If we go through a poor spell of form in the first half of next season though, I think TS might then pull the trigger. TS wont want a third season in L1.3 -
Putting aside the fact you've willfully misinterpreted what I said again, this is your 20th post on this thread since last night. 20th! Instead of calling what someone else posts tosh, maybe consider whether you're actually adding to a conversation or if you're just spamming your view over and over and over to the exclusion of other people's thoughts. 20 posts Muttley. We get it, we know your thoughts on Bowyer. Take a break.MuttleyCAFC said:
What a load of tosh. There is no joy, just frustration. Nobody is saying, 'great we lost last night, now I can enjoy myself slagging the manager off'. It is insulting to suggest so.Garrymanilow said:I've never said there's glee at bad results, you should read what I wrote more carefully. I'm saying that there are plenty of people who delight in the opportunity to start up this and other threads again and begin their 'look I was right' or 'I think I'm a football manager when I'm actually a bloke on a message board' or 'I knew Lee had lost the dressing room' spiel, which has no variation from the last time they posted it. In some ways I envy these people, because while I'm just feeling bad after a disappointing result they get to temper their frustration with the clear enjoyment they take in posting in this and similar threads. That's what I'm finding increasingly difficult to deal with on here, there's very little debate or nuance in threads like this, it's just the same. I'm not happy with how things are going either but when the forum becomes a spot just for rage and the same postings over and over again then it starts becoming about as enjoyable as the matches have been. At least if we boot him out the door there might be a break from that for a few weeks.
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Garrymanilow said:I've never said there's glee at bad results, you should read what I wrote more carefully. I'm saying that there are plenty of people who delight in the opportunity to start up this and other threads again and begin their 'look I was right' or 'I think I'm a football manager when I'm actually a bloke on a message board' or 'I knew Lee had lost the dressing room' spiel, which has no variation from the last time they posted it. In some ways I envy these people, because while I'm just feeling bad after a disappointing result they get to temper their frustration with the clear enjoyment they take in posting in this and similar threads. That's what I'm finding increasingly difficult to deal with on here, there's very little debate or nuance in threads like this, it's just the same. I'm not happy with how things are going either but when the forum becomes a spot just for rage and the same postings over and over again then it starts becoming about as enjoyable as the matches have been. At least if we boot him out the door there might be a break from that for a few weeks.
You're clearly insinuating posters take glee from bad results, because it gives them a chance to jump on this thread and say 'I told you so'. Personally, I find this a bit insulting, I'm completely fine with you wanting Bowyer to stay and there are clearly some arguments for it, but it’s a football forum - people disagree all the time, there is decent debate even on this thread. Of course, this thread will start after another bad result, because we're even further away from the top 6, despite being constantly told we're gonna go on a run.
I think one thing which is of interesting debate, and perhaps gets lost sometimes is that fact that many people feel Bowyer has regressed. When we beat Derby 3-0 at home a year and 1/2 ago, nobody could deny he was doing a fantastic job, particularly under a limited budget. After that game we then won 6/34 games in that season. In my opinion that's a bloody long sticky spell, particularly some of the football just before/after lockdown comes to mind. Corner flag football against Sheffield Wednesday to play for a POINT, against a team in dismal form was a massive low. After lockdown was not much better, and we probably deserved to go down. On reflection, I'd say he did an OK job last season, dealt a difficult hand, stitched up by Taylor, so Bowyer can take some but not much blame at all.
Now this season, maybe because of the ownership troubles, the pandemic, the relegation or whatever, but I think Bowyer is a shell of the manager he used to be.
Playing players out of position
Constant rotation
Bizarre and negative substitutions
Digging out players in public
No style or system all season
Not needing a CB this window
Whoever's motm is likely to start next game on the bench
Pratley/Watson love in, while Deji was on the bench.
A couple of years ago I used to love his interviews after the game, says it how it is, now I honestly dread them. We’re 8th while playing crap football and have been for months now. Not good enough.
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Maybe Famewo is ..... or with a little more experience, can be.charente addick said:
But if Norwich get promoted this season and return to the Prem, he might find himself not in their 25-man squad and available.
He may be loaned out or sold.
And if sold, Norwich will want to sell to the highest bidder, regardless of the division the buying club is in.
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Good job we're ticking along nicely with 18 points from 16 games then!CAFCTrev said:As already mentioned, I think LB will be here the rest of this season unless our form absolutely nose dives and we are threatened by relegation. My feeling is this season will peter out to a mid table finish, 9th-14th ish.
I think TS would like to see how LB does with a "proper" pre-season to prepare, and 2021-22 will be his first ever season as Charlton manager where he wont be hindered by a hostile owner.
If we go through a poor spell of form in the first half of next season though, I think TS might then pull the trigger. TS wont want a third season in L1.8 -
I will keep posting my views on Bowyer as will you. This is a forum and it is not there for you to dictate what is said. I haven't said anybody who disagrees with me isn't entitled to their view and nor should you. And if that isn't what you meant, I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say. Can anybody else help?Garrymanilow said:
Putting aside the fact you're willfully misinterpreted what I said again, this is your 20th post on this thread since last night. 20th! Instead of calling what someone else posts tosh, maybe consider whether you're actually adding to a conversation or if you're just spamming your view over and over and over to the exclusion of other people's thoughts. 20 posts Muttley. We get it, we know your thoughts on Bowyer. Take a break.MuttleyCAFC said:
What a load of tosh. There is no joy, just frustration. Nobody is saying, 'great we lost last night, now I can enjoy myself slagging the manager off'. It is insulting to suggest so.Garrymanilow said:I've never said there's glee at bad results, you should read what I wrote more carefully. I'm saying that there are plenty of people who delight in the opportunity to start up this and other threads again and begin their 'look I was right' or 'I think I'm a football manager when I'm actually a bloke on a message board' or 'I knew Lee had lost the dressing room' spiel, which has no variation from the last time they posted it. In some ways I envy these people, because while I'm just feeling bad after a disappointing result they get to temper their frustration with the clear enjoyment they take in posting in this and similar threads. That's what I'm finding increasingly difficult to deal with on here, there's very little debate or nuance in threads like this, it's just the same. I'm not happy with how things are going either but when the forum becomes a spot just for rage and the same postings over and over again then it starts becoming about as enjoyable as the matches have been. At least if we boot him out the door there might be a break from that for a few weeks.2 -
'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.15 -
not so much a question of the highest bidder, more a question of would Famewo want to be sold to a L1 club, even one where he spent time learning his trade (albeit a time mostly spent in the sick bay lol) ?Oggy Red said:
Maybe Famewo is ..... or with a little more experience, can be.charente addick said:
But if Norwich get promoted this season and return to the Prem, he might find himself not in their 25-man squad and available.
He may be loaned out or sold.
And if sold, Norwich will want to sell to the highest bidder, regardless of the division the buying club is in.
The wage cap might well be in place for quite a while and we need to get out of this division otherwise we will soon be unable to progress either on or off the pitch, and that includes attracting permanent quality signings and not relying on loans and cast offs0 -
That is the exact scenario that I can see happening.shine166 said:Love Bowyer, true club legend but nostalgia doesn't win you games.
I've seen the script, he finishes the season, has a full window, moans about the same wage restrictions that everyone else has. Gets sacked in December, new management come in with there own desires so rebuild.. 2022-23 has his first full season to attack promotion, miss out in the playoffs and 2023-24 we go up after fannying around in this league for 5 years.1 -
Very true. I'd love it if he turned it around with time but I really can't see it at the moment. 22 wins in 70 odd games tells you this. It's a shame but it's not working and there's no room for sentiment in football nowadays.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.
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I think we will pick up enough wins to keep our heads above water, which doesn't make for a fun end to the season of course.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Good job we're ticking along nicely with 18 points from 16 games then!CAFCTrev said:As already mentioned, I think LB will be here the rest of this season unless our form absolutely nose dives and we are threatened by relegation. My feeling is this season will peter out to a mid table finish, 9th-14th ish.
I think TS would like to see how LB does with a "proper" pre-season to prepare, and 2021-22 will be his first ever season as Charlton manager where he wont be hindered by a hostile owner.
If we go through a poor spell of form in the first half of next season though, I think TS might then pull the trigger. TS wont want a third season in L1.1 -
Well the other reason is obviously 'Inniss and Famewo are injured', but then you could counter that by arguing why didn't he push for a defender in the early days of the January window.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.4 -
Harsh to judge him on his championship record when it was pretty common knowledge we had the divisions smallest budget. We'd have stayed up if a) Gallagher had stayed or b) Taylor had played after the restart.jakecafc said:
Very true. I'd love it if he turned it around with time but I really can't see it at the moment. 22 wins in 70 odd games tells you this. It's a shame but it's not working and there's no room for sentiment in football nowadays.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.
In the early part of the season when he had a fit squad we were flying high. We lost Gallagher, Field, Leko and Taylor. At one point we were down to playing something like our 11th and 12th choice midfielders. Any side would've struggled.
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If I can't have being right about our terrible tactics, what do I have? My football team is shite, I live alone during a pandemic and half of CL thinks I like to mock Bowyerer's speechGarrymanilow said:I've never said there's glee at bad results, you should read what I wrote more carefully. I'm saying that there are plenty of people who delight in the opportunity to start up this and other threads again and begin their 'look I was right' or 'I think I'm a football manager when I'm actually a bloke on a message board' or 'I knew Lee had lost the dressing room' spiel, which has no variation from the last time they posted it. In some ways I envy these people, because while I'm just feeling bad after a disappointing result they get to temper their frustration with the clear enjoyment they take in posting in this and similar threads. That's what I'm finding increasingly difficult to deal with on here, there's very little debate or nuance in threads like this, it's just the same. I'm not happy with how things are going either but when the forum becomes a spot just for rage and the same postings over and over again then it starts becoming about as enjoyable as the matches have been. At least if we boot him out the door there might be a break from that for a few weeks.10 - Sponsored links:
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All that considered, we still had it in our own hands and folded like a pack of cards. Bowyers tactic of defending leads lost us points against rivals in the last few games.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Harsh to judge him on his championship record when it was pretty common knowledge we had the divisions smallest budget. We'd have stayed up if a) Gallagher had stayed or b) Taylor had played after the restart.jakecafc said:
Very true. I'd love it if he turned it around with time but I really can't see it at the moment. 22 wins in 70 odd games tells you this. It's a shame but it's not working and there's no room for sentiment in football nowadays.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.
In the early part of the season when he had a fit squad we were flying high. We lost Gallagher, Field, Leko and Taylor. At one point we were down to playing something like our 11th and 12th choice midfielders. Any side would've struggled.6 -
Yeah I get that, we had a shit time and I think it has had a knock on affect with the way Bowyer manages now, but football is a results business and managers have been sacked for a lot less.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Harsh to judge him on his championship record when it was pretty common knowledge we had the divisions smallest budget. We'd have stayed up if a) Gallagher had stayed or b) Taylor had played after the restart.jakecafc said:
Very true. I'd love it if he turned it around with time but I really can't see it at the moment. 22 wins in 70 odd games tells you this. It's a shame but it's not working and there's no room for sentiment in football nowadays.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.
In the early part of the season when he had a fit squad we were flying high. We lost Gallagher, Field, Leko and Taylor. At one point we were down to playing something like our 11th and 12th choice midfielders. Any side would've struggled.0 -
We'd have stayed up if Bowyer hadn't been so damned negative in games. 1-0 up at Birmingham, ten minutes to go, bring on defenders, drop deeper and deeper, concede last gasp goal, drop two points, relegated.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Harsh to judge him on his championship record when it was pretty common knowledge we had the divisions smallest budget. We'd have stayed up if a) Gallagher had stayed or b) Taylor had played after the restart.jakecafc said:
Very true. I'd love it if he turned it around with time but I really can't see it at the moment. 22 wins in 70 odd games tells you this. It's a shame but it's not working and there's no room for sentiment in football nowadays.Croydon said:'He deserves time' is literally the only response anyone has for backing him.
It's mental.
In the early part of the season when he had a fit squad we were flying high. We lost Gallagher, Field, Leko and Taylor. At one point we were down to playing something like our 11th and 12th choice midfielders. Any side would've struggled.
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All this having a go at people who are only expressing an opinion on what is after all a public forum is a bit depressing tbh. Everyone who posts here are CAFC fans and are members of CL so their opinion is valid, people may not agree with them but that doesnt make them any less valid. I get that there is alot of sentiment involved on this subject because without a doubt LB stuck with the job when many would have walked. This however doesnt mean a great deal, football is a results business and especially so when you have an owner who has ambitions and has put a significant amount of £ on the line. Lose this Saturday and the pressure will really be on. Free scoring Rochdale away not exactly the team you want to play when you are leaking goals0
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@RedChaser In that instance it was actually quite funny of a post in my opinion not meant to disrespect at all.AFKABartram said:
Yeah I don’t know why you do this @Dazzler21 (and others, it’s not just you).RedChaser said:
Just out of interest @Dazzler21 what amuses you about this post pray do tell. You don’t have to lol every persons post you disagree with, respect other people’s opinions. I thought you were better than that.RedChaser said:Nothing to do with emotion hoof it give the bloke a chance after the latest transfer window to the end of the season not one day ffs!
You put thought into being open and providing an honest, serious post, and then someone hits a laugh button. It’s really annoying and makes you think why bother posting. Disagree with the view, but don’t laugh. I’m sure you don’t mean for it to offend, but I know it winds me up so I’m sure it does others as well.
It’s hard enough posting through this when things aren’t going well as it is.
On this occasion it was funny for me as it was so simple of a line compared to many arguments, but one that has made me start saying Bowyer should probably have 5-10 games more and if things haven't improved make a change then. Not now. It was short, sharp and made me think more than many of these posts saying I want Bowyer out and I am gleeful when he fails. I want nothing more than a successful team and manager. If Bowyer can be that man again he deserves a chance to show what his window signings can do. At the same time I don't think we can afford to gift him the whole second half of this season if it isn't working.
I do feel we could do with some more relevant buttons if you're offering though chief? "Disagree" could be a great button.
p.s Did you lol your own post AFKA?2 -
Any blame apportioned to Bowyer for relegation is absurd, and I haven't seen any.MrLargo said:
I think that any criticism of Bowyer's performance in the championship last season is absurd and just shows a complete inability to understand the bigger picture. The key fact is that we had a far lower budget than all the other 23 teams in that division. We started every game at a disadvantage to our opponents, and that's without taking account of all the nonsense that was going on in the background. It's a miracle that he kept us competitive - we had the luxury of feeling unfortunate to get relegated, when the cards we were dealt dictated that we should have finished rock-bottom and 20 points adrift of safety.Dazzler21 said:
23 wins out of 72 games isn't doing that well, Bowyer has been overly defensive since Oct/Nov 2019 not just since 2020. If you can't see that, you're still being sentimental and choosing to ignore that period of time. He got last season as his free hit that he earned and was given in spite of the situation we were in regarding ownership.MrLargo said:But putting sentiment aside, our current manager has done a good job here for all but 3 months in nearly three years. Surely it's less of a gamble to keep him and give him a chance to gel the squad he's put together, than it would be to bring someone new in.
This season he still signed 11 players and chose to sell/loan out two of those 11 just 4 months later, returned Smyth and Levitt to their parent clubs and got in decent looking replacements for those (Smith & Millar). We've also to the Sandgaard Gallen Bowyer credit signed Stockley, Schwartz and Jaiyesimi who should also improve us. I'm all for giving him another 5-10 games as I think the argument around signings is fair, but we cannot let it go on too long as a new manager will want maybe 10 games to truly assess and understand who to keep/move on and who to replace them with.
A new manager may or may not re-invigorate this team, one thing is for sure though if we keep doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different result we're all mad.
I have to say, I find it really bizarre when people aren't able to understand the wider situation. I've heard a Newcastle fan on the radio this week complaining that Steve Bruce plays overly defensive football and that he should play with the attacking intent of Kevin Keegan's Newcastle. Kevin Keegan had Alan Shearer, Peter Beardsley, Les Ferdinand and David Ginola. I've a sneaking suspicion that, if Steve Bruce had Harry Kane, Marcus Rashford, Jack Grealish and Phil Foden in his squad, he'd probably play a more attacking brand of football. But he hasn't, so he has to cut his cloth accordingly.
Same with us last season. Nothing to do with sentimentality. To play open, attacking football, you need to either throw an absolute fortune at your squad, or accept that you're going to get relegated.
Any criticism of negative tactics costing us some points, digging out players post match, questionable formations and positional choices is perfectly valid.
This builds a pattern of behaviour that has continued for over a year.
You excuse last season, for the reasons you stated, you excuse the start of this season because we didn't have any players, you excuse the drab football because we hadn't had any time on the training ground. Fine, I would agree.
Then the players aren't good enough, then there are disruptive influences. What next?
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As Bows would say, "It is what it is!"
Sadly what it is, is a very poor team display, being repeated over and over. No matter who comes in, during the tinkering, there is little or no improvement in performance or results. I'd love Bows to be 'The Man' who takes us to bigger brighter things, Eddie Howe style, or Curbs if thinking closer to home. Sadly the whole is continually less than the sum of its parts.
We are like a luxury hotel, that in the brochures it looks amazing. But on arrival, we find a poor front desk attitude, lazy porters, sloppy room cleaners and chefs that only have one signature dish that gets rotated with cold porridge. The amazing sea view doesn't really make up for the expense and poor ratings will result in people going elsewhere.0 -
In an ideal world ...... the thing to do would be to pick out a promising 20/21year old already with steady League experience at CB and pay the fee.Cafc43v3r said:
I honestly don't believe that there wasn't a 4th or 5th choice championship center half that was available, either on loan, or a similar deal to how we got Williams.ForeverAddickted said:
Maybe thats what all the other clubs did when we tried approaching them over their Centre-Backs?Cafc43v3r said:
If they had both stayed/played to the end of the season it would have been a totally different situation.cafcfan1990 said:
There is a way to do it though. I don't think many people have a problem with Gomez, Shelvey, Konsa, Doughty or Phillips. Parker and Taylor though, different story.ForeverAddickted said:
Bit like Scott Parker...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
That's just standard football behaviour though isn't it?ForeverAddickted said:
I was talking in generalcafcfan1990 said:
No, I don't say that.ForeverAddickted said:
Is he rated by the likes of Gallen or is it like that fan who gave Powell the list of players we should sign only for Chris to politely explain why he wouldnt go for any of themcafcfan1990 said:
Then why not? Rated, with Famewo not ours and Inniss' injury record makes perfect sense if we're building for the future. Doesn't count under the cap and we can release Pearce in the summer.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think we did...cafcfan1990 said:
Did we put a bid in for Jack Tucker, local lad, doesn't count under the cap?ForeverAddickted said:
So two people (Bowyer AND Gallen) say there werent any defenders available that would have strengthened usTodds_right_hook said:
It’s not like he has had a month to sort that out!!maddferrett said:This season is over and I don't blame Bowyer. We have no recognised centre backs to rely on. You can't win at football without a defence.
But we know better? - Who should we have signed then?
Its like what Bowyer said about Stockley, had PNE said to us, Bauer isnt good enough we want to ship him out to League One, do you think they'd have said "No thanks" - Had the right defender become available then I have no doubt we'd have signed one
Cant remember if Cawley said he was a genuine target or not
Its also staggering that we think we only have to throw money at Gillingham or Milton Keynes etc for their promising players... Yet when the boot is on the other foot and we dont want our youngsters to go further up the chain we're instantly saying that we should reject any offers regardless of the price because we need to build a team around them!!
Cmon though, if a Championship club had wanted Albie Morgan for even £2m in January, many of us would have been livid at Sandgaard for selling one of our youngsters - Yet there always appears the premise when we go in for other clubs kids that they should stand back and let us help ourselves for whatever the right price is
Sometimes there isnt a right price because that club actually want to try and push on with the player rather than constantly selling.
Didnt that exact scenario play out in the summer when teams tried to sign Alfie Doughty, the offer was stupid but the talk was we should keep him, try and get promotion with him and ensure that he signed a new deal so we didnt lose him for nothing in the summer
Sign a player from a smaller club - "can't blame him, bloke wants to progess his career at a better club for more money, welcome aboard"
Lose player to bigger club/club in higher league - "judas c*nt, there's no loyalty in football these days, fuck him"
Its also an argument I used last year (I was wrong on that occasion because of the transfer embargo) but I hate the January Transfer Window because you have a month to try and get in players, clubs are going to be even more reluctant to let players go the further you get into the window because its going to become even harder to find a replacement themselves, hence why Liverpool had to settle for a Championship Centre-Back.
I'm sure our transfer target list was a lot longer than just those names that Rich Cawley provides us with and Gallen certainly isnt going to start throwing names out there, that would be disrespectful to the player and parent club, bit like his comment last night about a player having to turn round and go home
I similarly can't believe that any of them would be worse than Gunter or Pratley.
It wasn't about the cap because we have got some money left.
He could have gone straight in at CB early in January, settled in and doing a job - a specialist CB playing in his own position.
If we do that, we've got a 'project' on board, who we can groom or sell on in future, if he's not ultimately what we need.
At that point we knew Famewo was 6 weeks away from fitness and Inniss 2 months - with the big risk that players who've recovered from long term injury often struggle with unrelated niggles on their return, let alone lack of match fitness. In any case, player's get injured all the time - who didn't think we were about to lose Deji for 2 weeks concussion last night?
Sure there is the old warhorse Pearce. But if he's lost his place to a RB playing out of position, then that says it all to me.
To lose both CBs to long term injury and both reserve CBs at the same time was incredibly unlucky.
But not to bring in a reinforcement as soon as possible and plug that big hole in central defence ....... oh, what do I know?
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I vow to not question whether Bowyer should be sacked again publicly on the forum until we have played 36 games and It'll hopefully be to say I was wrong.
I really hope it is exactly that. Until then let's see what he and his team can do with the squad they have assembled.
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Howe would perhaps drop down to a relegated premier league club, at best.Billericaydickie said:
Eddie HoweDazzler21 said:
Actually agree with this. If we are to hire a new manager, they need to be familiar with the English game.ForeverAddickted said:
Whats the difference?FAVADDICK said:
I mean brining in a Danish manager it's hasn't done them bad has it and I would take anything to have Thomas Frank at this club over the shit we've got nowForeverAddickted said:
I always thought one of the fans beef with Roland was he kept hiring Managers who didnt know the English game?FAVADDICK said:AFKABartram said:Just a warning, all those saying get rid and expect a replacement like Cowley, Cook or whatever. There’s also the chance it could be a Dane or an American, or someone linked through one of Sandgaard associates with no UK football experience. Wouldn’t surprise me.
And look where that got Brentford we need someone with no association with this club. To most people bowyer is now bigger then our club they support him more then charlton he can do no wrong in there eyes
Thats why he suddenly changed tact and brought in Slade and then Robinson
Roland brings in a Belgian Manager because he's Belgian
Sandgaard brings in a Danish Manager because he's Danish
Or do the Danes have special abilities over the Belgians to understand the English league better than their counterpart?
Just because Thomas Frank gets it doesnt mean the next bloke Sandgaard hires will, whatever country they're from
Personally I only believe we are considering that Sandgaard would bring in a Danish manager is because RD did it, not all owners will. We have Roddy and Gallen as part of our management team to help advise on who would be best.
I don’t for one minute think that he would come, but Eddie Howe has been unemployed since the summer.
That is the sort of manager that could improve any club.
It Thomas really wants to take us to the Premier in 5 seasons then he needs to employ a manager like Eddie.
Sadly if Bowyer remains in charge we will still be foundering in League 1 in two years time.3
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