If we don’t win almost all of these I think the bell will toll for Bowyer
The Rochdale result probably saved his job, it was certainly enough to make sure he was here to see put the transfer window and probably ended our hopes for the season.
Agree with so many posts. It's a strong opinion that LB is becoming a major liability. He has become a cracked record repeatedly using his tedious reasons/excuses for poor performances that must surely reflect hugely on his bizarre selections, formations and tactics. Sure, a number of players should be doing better, but last night and many previous matches have shown that his game-plan is easily sussed-out by opposing managers. Completely understand the huge difficulties this season and the last months of the Championship. That's why I give him more tolerance than normal.
Last night his favoured diamond was like a plastic sausage. As has been already posted - why take off Morgan (the latest scapegoat), who looked more capable than the other midfielders? Why was Millar not starting. LB's defence is that he may breakdown and be out for weeks if he played more - if this is "true" surely then it would've made obvious sense to play him in the first half. Kenny Jacket must have been delighted. There does seem in LB's thinking that anyone who is man-of-the match or excels gets put on the bench next match.
Can LB learn from his mistakes???? No doubt he will be given to the end of the season to perform with his/Gallen's latest additions - unless, maybe, we are in for another season of league 1 football.
That could be a fair point and explain the defeats to Hull, Peterborough, Pompey. Do you genuinely think the squad wasn't/isn't good enough to beat Shrewsbury, Rochdale, Gillingham, Burton, Swindon etc?
1) looking at the team sheet virtually every fixture and wondering why we are playing certain players, not playing players who have just done well, playing players out of formation
2) watching fairly ordinary teams play one or two passes straight through our defence and then score while we Labour the ball around the back and in midfield waiting for them to get 10 men behind the ball before trying and failing to get anywhere near the goal
3) our inability to dominate a game
but by far and away the thing that is depressing me more than these are the several posters on here who seem to continuously have it in for Bowyer and insist on coming in here and hammering the point home fixture after fixture after fixture without fail. Ok, we get it, you think Bowyer has lost it and you think he should be replaced as soon as possible. Do you not get bored of repeating yourselves over and over?
Others, including myself, have different views, there’s clearly something not working atm, and we need to find a settled team, go in a run, get a bit of luck sometimes.
Lockdown is depressing enough as it is. Lighten up.
Look at Lincoln City. Do you think individually their squad is stronger? The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team. He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.
1) looking at the team sheet virtually every fixture and wondering why we are playing certain players, not playing players who have just done well, playing players out of formation
2) watching fairly ordinary teams play one or two passes straight through our defence and then score while we Labour the ball around the back and in midfield waiting for them to get 10 men behind the ball before trying and failing to get anywhere near the goal
3) our inability to dominate a game
but by far and away the thing that is depressing me more than these are the several posters on here who seem to continuously have it in for Bowyer and insist on coming in here and hammering the point home fixture after fixture after fixture without fail. Ok, we get it, you think Bowyer has lost it and you think he should be replaced as soon as possible. Do you not get bored of repeating yourselves over and over?
Others, including myself, have different views, there’s clearly something not working atm, and we need to find a settled team, go in a run, get a bit of luck sometimes.
Lockdown is depressing enough as it is. Lighten up.
But why shouldnt people come on here and make their views known? If we continuously have it in for Bowyer it is because we believe that the problem is Bowyer and as long as that doesn't change what else is there to say. Sorry you don't like to read it, but as long as Bowyer is the manager and, in the opinion of some, continues to fail in that role it is right that people continue to say so.
If our signing plan had emulated Lincoln's, our fan base would have hit the roof. Many would have been calling TS potless. The fact they have been so successful is both lucky and clever. If the plan hadn't worked, they've not overspent, if it works they go up with no financial worries and start in championship with a bucket of cash to spend.
If you see the number of games to save our season declining and you passionately believe it can be saved, how can you just shut up and forget about it?
Look at Lincoln City. Do you think individually their squad is stronger? The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team. He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.
I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager. Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season. In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.
Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.
They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
1) looking at the team sheet virtually every fixture and wondering why we are playing certain players, not playing players who have just done well, playing players out of formation
2) watching fairly ordinary teams play one or two passes straight through our defence and then score while we Labour the ball around the back and in midfield waiting for them to get 10 men behind the ball before trying and failing to get anywhere near the goal
3) our inability to dominate a game
but by far and away the thing that is depressing me more than these are the several posters on here who seem to continuously have it in for Bowyer and insist on coming in here and hammering the point home fixture after fixture after fixture without fail. Ok, we get it, you think Bowyer has lost it and you think he should be replaced as soon as possible. Do you not get bored of repeating yourselves over and over?
Others, including myself, have different views, there’s clearly something not working atm, and we need to find a settled team, go in a run, get a bit of luck sometimes.
Lockdown is depressing enough as it is. Lighten up.
Look at Lincoln City. Do you think individually their squad is stronger? The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team. He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.
Are they average? I expect they have at least a few stand out players who will be impressing at a higher level in the next few years. Many of our better players in our promotion sides went on to do exactly that.
We've got a lot of older players in this squad and not many younger players who I could see going on to do that. Morgan, Famewo, Maatsen, Millar, Smith (too early to tell), maybe Inniss.
Thinking about it it feels as though Bowyer and Gallen focused too much on experience and the majority of our squad are players past their peak. They're all different but between them they don't quite have the hunger, pace, sharpness or fitness to give us that edge in games.
Jaiyesimi is a good start and I hope we focus on building a younger squad for the long term in the summer.
If our signing plan had emulated Lincoln's, our fan base would have hit the roof. Many would have been calling TS potless. The fact they have been so successful is both lucky and clever. If the plan hadn't worked, they've not overspent, if it works they go up with no financial worries and start in championship with a bucket of cash to spend.
Look at Lincoln City. Do you think individually their squad is stronger? The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team. He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.
I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager. Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season. In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.
Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.
They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
Didn't they completely change there whole squad in the 2020 transfer windows. About 15-20 in and out and a massive reduction in average age.
I’m guessing Bowyer’s feeling the pressure of having actual people in charge who are bothered and interested in how we do. That must be why he’s said some weird stuff in anger after games.
I’m at a loss to explain why we aren’t playing fluid, paced counter attacking football anymore. He’s become more defensive as time has gone on, possibly base a result of how up against it we were last year. And as a result of knowing our CBs aren’t good this year. I really think Josh Cullen had the team built around him the last 2 years and this is exactly why things have changed. He had everything, totally complete midfielder. Rarely less than a 7/10. He totally trusted him and when he was injured we knew about it.
I think given time bowyer would certainly sort this out. This is his squad, and the first time he’s been able to build a whole team that he wanted really (read T.Driesen). I think he needs time as this squad was thrown together. Do I think results and performances have been good enough - no I don’t. But I think it’ll get better if we show patience. I also get so disappointed when I think about our fans on here saying “I’ll do anything to get Roland out, anything!” , “All we want us a club to support” and “We can start again in non league if we need to” just to have a team to follow. Yet now, a few months after we’ve been bought by TS, Bowyer isn’t enough and promotion is do or die. It’s not. There are 24 teams in the league. I really feel like this website has become toxic. It’s probably the same on all sites but at least when Roland was here we united (mostly) and aimed it towards and enemy rather than someone FIRMLY ON OUR SIDE. He’s a young manager who has been heavily coveted for the last few seasons (he had chances to leave and wanted to stay with us btw).
Do I think Bowyer should get unlimited time? Of course not, but I think it’s too soon, despite under-achieving so far this year. We overachieved last year on a shoestring budget so maybe he’s even! He stuck by us when we were absolutely down and out and he was the only thing keeping us interested. Remember how we felt under Slade, Fraeye, etc. Bowyer has managed in league 1 twice and reached the playoffs twice and he will again, imo.
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
You only need to take a look at how better Albie has gotten at defending - Granted last night he wasnt great but then thats going to happen occasionally, its all part of a players development
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism
To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit
As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?
Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it
Look at Lincoln City. Do you think individually their squad is stronger? The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team. He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.
I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager. Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season. In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.
Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.
They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
Well thanks for the permission.
You just rephrased the point I was making.
I'm not saying Lincoln got a bit lucky with their manager. I'm saying that their manager is doing what a manager should be doing. He is making the team as a whole perform better than its constituent parts.
"We should be learning from them". Exactly. But "we" aren't.
I think the Bows we are now seeing is a direct result of the trauma that was last season.
I think that mother of all injury crisis and the desperation to stay up has turned out once positive and progressive manager into one that is now more worried about stopping the opposition than beating them.
The Bows I remember was the one of the first 6 or so games in the Champ last year.
Whether he can back to that is questionable but I want to give him the chance. I don’t think you can underestimate the pressure the guy has been under for the last 12 months and the toll that can take mentally.
IMO this season is done and I hope a break and refreshed Bows can come back next season like the old Bows. His performances not his loyalty in my mind have earned him that.
But please help yourself and pick a team and formation and stick with it unless there’s a bloody good reason.
I do think one failing is he gives his players too much credit. He thinks we have the 2 best RB’s in the league when we can all see they are bang average. So just pick the best team and go from there
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism
To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit
As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?
Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it
He doesn't go away and sulk
Did Williams go away and silk? Did he get treated fairly? Am I wrong about fosu and Maddison?
Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!
Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
We’ve already had this argument. Did he fail to get the most out of Taylor? Karlan? Aribo? Gallagher? Leko? Doughty? All those players were attacking creative threats but they also did the hard yards too.
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Last night his favoured diamond was like a plastic sausage. As has been already posted - why take off Morgan (the latest scapegoat), who looked more capable than the other midfielders? Why was Millar not starting. LB's defence is that he may breakdown and be out for weeks if he played more - if this is "true" surely then it would've made obvious sense to play him in the first half. Kenny Jacket must have been delighted. There does seem in LB's thinking that anyone who is man-of-the match or excels gets put on the bench next match.
Can LB learn from his mistakes???? No doubt he will be given to the end of the season to perform with his/Gallen's latest additions - unless, maybe, we are in for another season of league 1 football.
1) looking at the team sheet virtually every fixture and wondering why we are playing certain players, not playing players who have just done well, playing players out of formation
2) watching fairly ordinary teams play one or two passes straight through our defence and then score while we Labour the ball around the back and in midfield waiting for them to get 10 men behind the ball before trying and failing to get anywhere near the goal
3) our inability to dominate a game
but by far and away the thing that is depressing me more than these are the several posters on here who seem to continuously have it in for Bowyer and insist on coming in here and hammering the point home fixture after fixture after fixture without fail. Ok, we get it, you think Bowyer has lost it and you think he should be replaced as soon as possible. Do you not get bored of repeating yourselves over and over?
Others, including myself, have different views, there’s clearly something not working atm, and we need to find a settled team, go in a run, get a bit of luck sometimes.
Lockdown is depressing enough as it is. Lighten up.
Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season.
In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.
Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.
They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
But this is a football forum
We've got a lot of older players in this squad and not many younger players who I could see going on to do that. Morgan, Famewo, Maatsen, Millar, Smith (too early to tell), maybe Inniss.
Thinking about it it feels as though Bowyer and Gallen focused too much on experience and the majority of our squad are players past their peak. They're all different but between them they don't quite have the hunger, pace, sharpness or fitness to give us that edge in games.
Jaiyesimi is a good start and I hope we focus on building a younger squad for the long term in the summer.
You only need to take a look at how better Albie has gotten at defending - Granted last night he wasnt great but then thats going to happen occasionally, its all part of a players development
As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?
Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it
He doesn't go away and sulk
You just rephrased the point I was making.
I'm not saying Lincoln got a bit lucky with their manager. I'm saying that their manager is doing what a manager should be doing. He is making the team as a whole perform better than its constituent parts.
"We should be learning from them". Exactly. But "we" aren't.
I think that mother of all injury crisis and the desperation to stay up has turned out once positive and progressive manager into one that is now more worried about stopping the opposition than beating them.
The Bows I remember was the one of the first 6 or so games in the Champ last year.
Whether he can back to that is questionable but I want to give him the chance. I don’t think you can underestimate the pressure the guy has been under for the last 12 months and the toll that can take mentally.
IMO this season is done and I hope a break and refreshed Bows can come back next season like the old Bows. His performances not his loyalty in my mind have earned him that.
But please help yourself and pick a team and formation and stick with it unless there’s a bloody good reason.
I do think one failing is he gives his players too much credit. He thinks we have the 2 best RB’s in the league when we can all see they are bang average. So just pick the best team and go from there
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Define failure. I never expected anything from this season.