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Ronnie Schwartz (Page 73 - contract cancelled)
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Owie, that comment hurts so much.meldrew66 said:@Dazzler: well, time will tell won't it. Until then, based on the lack of opportunity given to him by Bowyer to date I'll stand by my opinion, of which I am fully entitled. Pity you don't bring anything of interest to say, as usual.
I personally have supported Schwartz multiple times but I disagree with your comment that 'It isn't working out for him and as it stands, probably isn't going to now' . There's every chance he will still cut it for us, he even has the rest of this season for it to fall into place. 14 games is a long time.
It is clear that since joining things haven't gone to plan. That much I agree with.
As you say:
- new country
- playing for a new team
- no family
- no time to socialise
- Only time to see others is in training and games.
To write him off as not going to work now is as crazy as writing of Karlan when he hadn't scored many goals for us in two and a half seasons. Or writing off Igor because he hadn't ever seemed to recover his goalscoring prowess following his back injury, but was important in us obtaining a play off place in 18/19.
It seemed going on loan to Crawley was the end of the road for Karlan with us. Instead things started falling into place for him. He came back and was spearhead of our attack alongside Taylor and was a changed man.
I have faith that whatever happens in this first half a season, with a summer with Bowyer or a new manager and the squad we will see what he can really do. I still have faith he could get 5 goals this season if we change how we play to cut out the lazy long ball tactics.4 -
It does frankly seem to be a bit of an overreaction to presume that just because it's not worked so far (in particularly stressful and unusual circumstances) that it won't.meldrew66 said:@Dazzler: well, time will tell won't it. Until then, based on the lack of opportunity given to him by Bowyer to date I'll stand by my opinion, of which I am fully entitled. Pity you don't bring anything of interest to say, as usual.
The assumption seems to be that in the summer there's going to be something of a clearing out/rebuild of the squad. Given a chance to properly integrate and in a team that he has a part to play in, Schwartz may very well come good.
As it stands, he's not even a square peg in a round hole. He's a peg without a hole to be put in. A poacher/finisher type striker does not really answer the questions asked right now, but I think even hypothetically writing him off just yet is a bit premature.5 -
Also we seem to bring Ronnie on for the last portion of the game where we are either chasing it or trying to see it out. Would like to see him get a few starts in a row to work up an understanding with either Aneke or Stockley.4
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I’m including the ones that he was thinking about when he has been sitting on the bench.MrOneLung said:I will also count ones that hit the woodwork and ones where the goalie made a worldie.Might just go full hog and use the XG stats and be done with it.0 -
We play a 2 fun games in our house when watching Charlton play. One is predict the minute that Ben Watson will get booked and the other is to predict the number of touches Ronnie will make when he comes off the bench. Livens up even a 3 nil loss. I for one want Ronnie to start so I can change my prediction standing from 2.0
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I think on Saturday I will do a shot everytime Schwartz receives a pass. I think I may be quite sober by the time the 90 are up.Imnot Athletic said:We play a 2 fun games in our house when watching Charlton play. One is predict the minute that Ben Watson will get booked and the other is to predict the number of touches Ronnie will make when he comes off the bench. Livens up even a 3 nil loss. I for one want Ronnie to start so I can change my prediction standing from 2.2 -
Ronnie has barely had a chance since he's been here.....
definitely one for next season - he will score goals with the right players around him6 -
Exactly the sort of player that will get lost with El Bow's pin a tail in a donkey line ups. He will shine if the teams fortunes suddenly take a turn for the better, or perish the thought, someone halfway competent is brought in as coach.1
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I also think he will get alot of goals if a team plays to his strengths I'm hoping he starts this week as I think the match against Oxford will be played more on the ground rather that long high balls which just isnt his game imo0
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problem is, he's no spring chicken, ok next season he can score goals but not much after.Elthamaddick said:Ronnie has barely had a chance since he's been here.....
definitely one for next season - he will score goals with the right players around him0 -
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I'm staying patient with Ronnie as there's lots of extenuating circumstances as to why he hasn't had more of an impact but, quite aside from the fact he's only scored one goal, the bloke must be on for some kind of record for fewest touches of the ball per minute played. Thankfully, the few touches he has had have shown glimpses of a bit of quality but he has got to figure out a way to get more involved in games and affect our attacks more - it's not solely down to service.
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No, indeed its not. People seem to think he will score buckets loads if we 'play to his strengths'. I however personally find this to be a very generic comment that does not really mean anything.Exiled_Addick said:I'm staying patient with Ronnie as there's lots of extenuating circumstances as to why he hasn't had more of an impact but, quite aside from the fact he's only scored one goal, the bloke must be on for some kind of record for fewest touches of the ball per minute played. Thankfully, the few touches he has had have shown glimpses of a bit of quality but he has got to figure out a way to get more involved in games and affect our attacks more - it's not solely down to service.
You could argue loads of strikers would score loads of goals if teams played to their strengths.
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I think it’s as simple as if you give him balls played for him to run onto or layed back within shooting distance then he will take chances.FishCostaFortune said:
No, indeed its not. People seem to think he will score buckets loads if we 'play to his strengths'. I however personally find this to be a very generic comment that does not really mean anything.Exiled_Addick said:I'm staying patient with Ronnie as there's lots of extenuating circumstances as to why he hasn't had more of an impact but, quite aside from the fact he's only scored one goal, the bloke must be on for some kind of record for fewest touches of the ball per minute played. Thankfully, the few touches he has had have shown glimpses of a bit of quality but he has got to figure out a way to get more involved in games and affect our attacks more - it's not solely down to service.
You could argue loads of strikers would score loads of goals if teams played to their strengths.
I do agree with Bowyer tho that he has to adapt. Foreign football is slower and more technical, League One football definitely ain’t. Problem is he’s 32.1 -
You do realise that he has been here less than two months?meldrew66 said:
I feel the same. I keep thinking of Ronnie stuck in his London hotel away from his family, not getting a chance to show what he can do and without a run in the team to motivate him. It wouldn't take a genius to see that this isn't working out for him and, as it stands, probably isn't going to now. Shame, because a 'fox in the box' looks like the perfect partner for Stockley and Aneke. I can see Ronnie leaving us at the end of the season, irrespective of whatever league we might be in.AndyG said:maybe after the shift Washington put in on Tuesday he will be rested this weekend and then Ronnie can get a start. I have felt for him a bit so far as I think he needs a run of gamesHe is likely to be looking for a house so he isn’t stuck in a hotel where he can’t even go down to the restaurant, possibly having 3 meals a day at the training ground. His family will come as soon as covid restrictions make that possible. He has 2 years left on his contract, you cant write him off after 8 weeks.
Why can you see him leaving? He can’t signe up to Reed, get another job and gives a months notice!4 -
Yeah I don't buy it either. The guy can finish, great, amazing but if he can't do anything else why did we buy him? Maybe we do need a finisher to an extent but one that will do nothing unless he has balls on a plate for him all game is probably not what we need.FishCostaFortune said:
No, indeed its not. People seem to think he will score buckets loads if we 'play to his strengths'. I however personally find this to be a very generic comment that does not really mean anything.Exiled_Addick said:I'm staying patient with Ronnie as there's lots of extenuating circumstances as to why he hasn't had more of an impact but, quite aside from the fact he's only scored one goal, the bloke must be on for some kind of record for fewest touches of the ball per minute played. Thankfully, the few touches he has had have shown glimpses of a bit of quality but he has got to figure out a way to get more involved in games and affect our attacks more - it's not solely down to service.
You could argue loads of strikers would score loads of goals if teams played to their strengths.
A bowyer type player is mentioned a lot and he does not strike me as one of those. I hope I am wrong here about him and I do appreciate this season is a extremely tough time for him to start so hopefully kicks on a bit the rest of the season and next
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So if he is a dud, and we all agree that this is a Thomas signing - does TS get a free pass on this foreign import? Considering all we said to each other for 5 years was we wanted no more foreign punts and more proven league one talent?0
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That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.2 -
Aside from the "probably isn't" part I make you right. Particularly if Bowyer (I hope)is still our Manager next season.meldrew66 said:
I feel the same. I keep thinking of Ronnie stuck in his London hotel away from his family, not getting a chance to show what he can do and without a run in the team to motivate him. It wouldn't take a genius to see that this isn't working out for him and, as it stands, probably isn't going to now. Shame, because a 'fox in the box' looks like the perfect partner for Stockley and Aneke. I can see Ronnie leaving us at the end of the season, irrespective of whatever league we might be in.AndyG said:maybe after the shift Washington put in on Tuesday he will be rested this weekend and then Ronnie can get a start. I have felt for him a bit so far as I think he needs a run of games1 -
BUT he can be talking to his agent and Bowyer should there be issues between the pair of them.Todds_right_hook said:
You do realise that he has been here less than two months?meldrew66 said:
I feel the same. I keep thinking of Ronnie stuck in his London hotel away from his family, not getting a chance to show what he can do and without a run in the team to motivate him. It wouldn't take a genius to see that this isn't working out for him and, as it stands, probably isn't going to now. Shame, because a 'fox in the box' looks like the perfect partner for Stockley and Aneke. I can see Ronnie leaving us at the end of the season, irrespective of whatever league we might be in.AndyG said:maybe after the shift Washington put in on Tuesday he will be rested this weekend and then Ronnie can get a start. I have felt for him a bit so far as I think he needs a run of gamesHe is likely to be looking for a house so he isn’t stuck in a hotel where he can’t even go down to the restaurant, possibly having 3 meals a day at the training ground. His family will come as soon as covid restrictions make that possible. He has 2 years left on his contract, you cant write him off after 8 weeks.
Why can you see him leaving? He can’t signe up to Reed, get another job and gives a months notice!
The Dane has not been playing as much as he'd like.0 -
It made much more sense to sign him when we first tried than when we finally got him. In hindsight it made even less sense once the window had closed as well.
Regardless of how good he is he is 31, never played in this country. He signed during a globe pandemic under a salary cap. He hadn't played a first team game for about 6 months. Compare that with Stockley and its not hard to work out which one is more likely to hit the ground running.
He would have been perfect for the way we used to play, all those little cut backs in the box. But we haven't played like for a long time now. I think he would have played well with Williams to be honest.
It's like buying the candles and forgetting to make the cake. Hopefully next seasons cake is ready on time else he will be sat in a cupboard gathering dust.
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Considering that our team selection ( for a number of reasons ) has been like Woolworths Pick and Mix I think that the bloke deserves a chance once things have settled down.5
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Indeed it's not but given tactics in recent weeks have apparently boiled down to getting 10 players apparently selected at random to aim long balls at Stockley's head and hope it works then I think he can be forgiven for being baffled about what exactly he's meant to be doing.Exiled_Addick said:I'm staying patient with Ronnie as there's lots of extenuating circumstances as to why he hasn't had more of an impact but, quite aside from the fact he's only scored one goal, the bloke must be on for some kind of record for fewest touches of the ball per minute played. Thankfully, the few touches he has had have shown glimpses of a bit of quality but he has got to figure out a way to get more involved in games and affect our attacks more - it's not solely down to service.
At one point he was played apparently as a winger, no wonder he's struggling right now.1 -
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.6 -
And Diarra and Henderson.DamoNorthStand said:
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.4 -
Igor and Kashi were quite good until we broke them.Simonsen said:
And Diarra and Henderson.DamoNorthStand said:
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.3 -
Can’t judge an owner based on one signing.DamoNorthStand said:So if he is a dud, and we all agree that this is a Thomas signing - does TS get a free pass on this foreign import? Considering all we said to each other for 5 years was we wanted no more foreign punts and more proven league one talent?
I hope we grow our scouting network and look abroad. As long as the majority of signings aren’t punts then no issue with where players come from for me.0 -
Unless you sign a player from the same league and same geographical area every player is a punt isn't it? Even Gilbey has had "issues".Scoham said:
Can’t judge an owner based on one signing.DamoNorthStand said:So if he is a dud, and we all agree that this is a Thomas signing - does TS get a free pass on this foreign import? Considering all we said to each other for 5 years was we wanted no more foreign punts and more proven league one talent?
I hope we grow our scouting network and look abroad. As long as the majority of signings aren’t punts then no issue with where players come from for me.
One of the advantages Powell had is he played with or against almost all the players he signed so knew exactly how good they were.0 -
Fanni was very decent too, he left us to then go play in ligue 1 in france...Simonsen said:
And Diarra and Henderson.DamoNorthStand said:
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.1 -
None of those players listed (aside from Ajdarevic) or players subsequently given by other posters came in during Roland’s first transfer window. I feel the goalposts have been a bit moved here.DamoNorthStand said:
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.Of course there were a couple of decent ones later down the line but that first transfer window was a massive mistake and totally soured the whole relationship between fans and owner from the very beginning.
Roland’s first transfer window consisted of:
Astrit Ajdarevic (loan from Standard)
Reza Ghoochannejhad (perm from Standard)
Yohann Thuram-Ulien (loan from Standard)
Loic Nego (perm from Ujpest)
Anil Koc (loan from Standard)
Piotr Parzyszek (perm from De Graafschap)None of these players were good enough and four out of five were signed because they weren’t getting enough minutes at their previous network club. The other two ended up with us because Thomas recommended it (Nego & Parzyszek).
That next summer window, the quality of recruit improved dramatically but Roland had already made that name for himself with the way he treated Powell, Kermorgant, Stephens, Solly, Morrison and others.0 -
That's moving the goal posts a bit. Stephens was always leaving that window because of the previous ownership and the Morrison debarcle was a year later.Callumcafc said:
None of those players listed (aside from Ajdarevic) or players subsequently given by other posters came in during Roland’s first transfer window. I feel the goalposts have been a bit moved here.DamoNorthStand said:
Let’s definitely not go on painting that part of our history in an unduly positive light but that’s the only part of his reign I will ever say is wholly inaccurate:Callumcafc said:That’s a couple of massive IFs that you’re basing that entire argument on.1. He’s barely had an opportunity to show what he’s about. When he’s been presented with chances, he’s shown he can finish. 2. Likely a Thomas recommendation but don’t think he held a barrel to Gallen’s head and made him sign a Dane.
Regardless, it’s less about the imports themselves and more about the intention behind them. Roland shipped a load of second rate players over from Standard/STVV because it was more cost efficient for the network to have all these players playing games wherever he could fit them. Thomas would be signing players because he genuinely believes they give the team a better chance of winning.
Buyens
Bulot
Teixeira
Ben Haim
(and whilst controversial I actually thought Tucudean compares well to some of our recent guff).
Ajdarevic (blowing out his arse but played a key role in keeping us up)
Not to mention a transfer policy that gave the likes of Bauer, Sarr, Gudmundsson.
As I say - interesting to see what the summer brings minus a salary cap.Of course there were a couple of decent ones later down the line but that first transfer window was a massive mistake and totally soured the whole relationship between fans and owner from the very beginning.
Roland’s first transfer window consisted of:
Astrit Ajdarevic (loan from Standard)
Reza Ghoochannejhad (perm from Standard)
Yohann Thuram-Ulien (loan from Standard)
Loic Nego (perm from Ujpest)
Anil Koc (loan from Standard)
Piotr Parzyszek (perm from De Graafschap)None of these players were good enough and four out of five were signed because they weren’t getting enough minutes at their previous network club. The other two ended up with us because Thomas recommended it (Nego & Parzyszek).
That next summer window, the quality of recruit improved dramatically but Roland had already made that name for himself with the way he treated Powell, Kermorgant, Stephens, Solly, Morrison and others.0
